Current Events > In the event of a nuclear strike, what should Russia's punishment be?

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NatsuSama posted...

This insisting of any retaliation against Russia means nukes is under the demonstrably false pretense that the ONLY form of retaliation in existence is nuking Russia.

No, it's under the demonstrably true pretense that Putin has asserted over and over that any retaliation or reprisal would result in nukes.

And we find it prudent to believe him. Especially in a hypothetical where he starts lobbing them at his military targets.

Stalinrules posted...

Not if they use tactical nukes.

and people said my thread didn't need to be made

Stalinrules posted...

And Putin is a rational actor?

No, but that doesnt give us carte blanch to court the end of civilization.

And like I said, you would blame the bear, not the fucking lunatic that went and had an actual suit made of bacon, rubbed his balls down in peanut butter, and tried to take a selfie with a polar bear. The bear would be the rational one, it's a fucking bear, the irrational one is the fucking idiot that goes out of his way to endanger himself and expects to get away with his stupid phone pic prize.

Again, pointless and invalid comparison because the US has the option to exercise self control unlike the polar bear which acts on native impulse. Youre arguing by analogy because an imaginary, cartoonized scenario is easier for you to grasp than the real thing and its not helping your case.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

No, it's under the demonstrably true pretense that Putin has asserted over and over that any retaliation or reprisal would result in nukes.

And we find it prudent to believe him. Especially in a hypothetical where he starts lobbing them at his military targets.

You realize sanctions are an example of retaliation happening as we speak right?

You people keep going, "but BuT, pUtIn SaId He WoUlD rEtAlIAtE wItH nUkEs If AnYoNe ReTaLiAtEs AgAiNsT hIm."

You guys are so war and bloodthirsty that you made up some false story in your heads that's not even on the planet earth.

Which need I remind you again, just because you demand more, or don't like it because it doesn't spill enough blood for you, it doesn't change retaliation we're indeed made.

AloneIBreak posted...

No, but that doesnt give us carte blanch to court the end of civilization.

Again, pointless and invalid comparison because the US has the option to exercise self control unlike the polar bear which acts on native impulse. Youre arguing by analogy because an imaginary, cartoonized scenario is easier for you to grasp than the real thing and its not helping your case.

And you still defend the idiot.

The analogy is perfectly fine, Putin could exercise restraint, he could lie and say he won and stop his troops, he could choose not use nukes, but he will not. Like the idiot in my analogy, he wants to do whatever and get everything he wants without issue. But the bear represents reality, the bear will eat him or if it doesn't he will keep jumping in enclosures and taking selfies with whatever creature he wants. If he isn't met with a nuke, he will keep using nukes on any target he wishes. But it's fine as long as it isn't NATO, huh? The man has stated over and over if we send in our military he will nuke us, if he actually uses a nuke in Ukraine, why do you think he's lying?

It's fine as long as it isn't NATO!

Also what's the point of NATO again? Cause if you can get away with killing allies of NATO then... what was the point of anything?

Ukraine should been in NATO long ago.

They should be put into NATO asap

Umbreon posted...

It's fine as long as it isn't NATO!

Also what's the point of NATO again? Cause if you can get away with killing allies of NATO then... what was the point of anything?

You know they'll puss out on helping NATO countries too. It will be, "It's just Poland. Not worth ending the world over." Besides, we already had an agreement to help Ukraine to begin with.

Stalinrules posted...

And you still defend the idiot.

If you have nothing to say, its okay to stop posting. Your silly analogy (haha! balls!) minimizes the real world threats posed by nuclear war and grossly distorts the situation into a caricature that you (incorrectly) feel capable of arguing with. I wont address it any further.

AloneIBreak posted...

If you have nothing to say, its okay to stop posting. Your silly analogy (haha! balls!) minimizes the real world threats posed by nuclear war and grossly distorts the situation into a caricature that you (incorrectly) feel capable of arguing with. I wont address it any further.

You still defend Putin. Go get your rubles.

Stalinrules posted...

You know they'll puss out on helping NATO countries too.

No matter how many times this is said, it's baseless.

Military retaliation for attacking NATO and military retaliation for attacking Ukraine regardless of your feelings are not the same.

Same to the false idea that by law or legal obligation that we have to defend Ukraine by military. The Budapest Memorandum does not impose any legal obligations to provide military assistance.

They've already made it clear what the response would be. NATO would unload on every Russian military target with conventional military strikes and basically destroy them as a nation.

asdf8562 posted...

No matter how many times this is said, it's baseless.

Military retaliation for attacking NATO and military retaliation for attacking Ukraine regardless of your feelings are not the same.

Same to the false idea that by law or legal obligation that we have to defend Ukraine by military. The Budapest Memorandum does not impose any legal obligations to provide military assistance.

so we have no legal obligation to provide military assistance?

asdf8562 posted...

There's a difference between being anti-war, and just being an isolationist coward who will let evil reign as long as it doesn't directly affect them.

Which are you, really?

I don't even think this is a question

If Russia nukes anything then it'll probably ne obliterated by most, if not all nuclear powers. After that, we'd probably sign in treated and shit about when, what, and how to use nukes. Also the evidence left behind of what happens if you do.

if nukes are launched in retaliation, it'll be to destroy their military

basically, nato would come in and wipe out russia's military. depending on how willing they are, either it will be prolonged into a really long war where the end result is instilling some new euro-american-friendly nation (or some horrible attempt at such), or a new russian government will emerge that will probably lose some land to neighboring countries, but pretty much retain what it has right now.

i really don't think it's the end of the world. but the question is whether or not it's the end of the russian federation as we know it now.