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Will_VIIII
09/15/22 12:34:34 AM
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https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/player-at-st-louis-chess-cup-accused-of-using-anal-beads-to-cheat-38449269

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R1masher
09/15/22 12:36:49 AM
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your end game isnt as tight as your opening

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Shotgunnova
09/15/22 12:39:50 AM
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Missourian defense > Sicilian defense

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UnfairRepresent
09/16/22 11:05:20 PM
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It's honestly staggering that this isn't bigger news

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Smashingpmkns
09/16/22 11:09:37 PM
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This should be the plot for Queen's Gambit season 2.

Even though it's all speculation and not confirmed that he cheated at all.

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House_Of_Dragon
09/16/22 11:10:01 PM
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Interesting

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voldothegr8
09/16/22 11:10:23 PM
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"How do we make chess more exciting?"

"I got it, vibrating anal beads!"

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DarkChozoGhost
09/16/22 11:13:29 PM
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I think him having his opponent's opening moves leaked seems a lot more likely.

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FF_Redux
09/17/22 1:45:25 AM
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Lmao wtf

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ForsakenHermit
09/17/22 1:52:33 AM
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How can you cheat at chess?

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Kloe_Rinz
09/17/22 1:56:24 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
How can you cheat at chess?
Have an AI decide the moves for you
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Crazyman93
09/17/22 2:03:03 AM
#12:


What.

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008Zulu
09/17/22 2:06:47 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
How can you cheat at chess?
Vibrators have settings that when used in specific orders, can be interpreted as Morse Code.

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gunplagirl
09/17/22 2:07:17 AM
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The anal beads theory came from Elon Musk, btw. And yes, I've been following the drama.

ForsakenHermit posted...
How can you cheat at chess?
So basically, Magnus used an extremely rare variation of his opening and his opponent used the oerfect counter to it that's only been used in a recorded game or two. Barring him having studied all potential variants and games with it, there are several ways to cheat over the board. Getting given the moves to use via someone spectating and using a computer and database is the most common method, though that's usually done via a microphone. The thing is, competitors get sent through a metal detector just to enter the tournament building. You'd figure that a remote controlled buttplug would also get detected, even if it was already in seeing as steel plates and the like show up. To counter this, there's now a 15 minute delay in the streams for the game so nobody spectating can look up the optimal plays. And the player accused of cheating had a metal detector wand scoured over him as he arrived each day afterwards.

But yeah, realistically I don't think the guy cheated and Magnus hasn't even formally accused him but he implied it and it's resulted in the opponent being punished with scrutiny and other GMs accusing him as well as his ban from chess.com and removal from their upcoming $1 million prize tournament.

Incidentally, chess.com very recently acquired Magnus Carlson's website so he holds a large stake in chess.com as part of the deal. So it's pretty much feeling like Magnus can't stand that he lost, can't prove any cheating so he won't come out and say it, but is having the opponent penalized as though he'd been found guilty.

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MICHALECOLE
09/17/22 2:11:11 AM
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Okay so I read the article.. they basically have zero evidence of anything.. and nobody has really accused him of anything..

but hes still been banned from chess.com?
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gunplagirl
09/17/22 2:12:38 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Okay so I read the article.. they basically have zero evidence of anything.. and nobody has really accused him of anything..

but hes still been banned from chess.com?
Magnus holds a stake in the company so he no doubt used his position to force the ban.

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MICHALECOLE
09/17/22 2:14:20 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Magnus holds a stake in the company so he no doubt used his position to force the ban.
And his last loss was literally.. to the same kid?

though that was non classic chess

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Bad_Mojo
09/17/22 2:14:38 AM
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You can't punish people if you can't prove they cheated.

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Vicious_Dios
09/17/22 2:17:27 AM
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That's one sentence I never thought I'd read. LMFAOOOO

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TetsuoS2
09/17/22 2:19:19 AM
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no one really properly accused him of doing that, there's musk and some random tweet, but those are shitposters.

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Cobra1010
09/17/22 2:19:49 AM
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Elon musk running his mouth again

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Nukazie
09/17/22 2:19:59 AM
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the person suspected of cheating better get a rectal exam from the opponent

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gunplagirl
09/17/22 2:25:44 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
no one really properly accused him of doing that, there's musk and some random tweet, but those are shitposters.
GM Hikaru has accused him. And Magnus made a tweet that makes it seem like he wanted to accuse him.

Bad_Mojo posted...
You can't punish people if you can't prove they cheated.
You shouldn't but since chess is such a lucrative business, it's been tainted.

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TetsuoS2
09/17/22 2:27:59 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
GM Hikaru has accused him. And Magnus made a tweet that makes it seem like he wanted to accuse him.

You shouldn't but since chess is such a lucrative business, it's been tainted.

sorry i meant the vibrator.

it was basically a dude who made up a random shitpost about how funny it was if he cheated that way, then musk replied to it and got turned into a headline.

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EmbraceOfDeath
09/17/22 2:45:23 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's honestly staggering that this isn't bigger news
Why? It's ridiculous made up bullshit.

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Kastrada
09/17/22 2:51:44 AM
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Niemann admitted to cheating in online games on the site before though.

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gunplagirl
09/17/22 2:54:49 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Niemann admitted to cheating in online games on the site before though.
He had an account banned for using bots when he was 12. He's 19. And he was playing over the board.

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Kastrada
09/17/22 3:14:10 AM
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https://chess24.com/en/read/news/hans-niemann-hits-back-at-his-critics

He admitted to cheating just three years ago. If a person admits to cheating on an online platform, said platform has a right to ban the player.

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gunplagirl
09/17/22 3:24:03 AM
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Kastrada posted...
https://chess24.com/en/read/news/hans-niemann-hits-back-at-his-critics

He admitted to cheating just three years ago. If a person admits to cheating on an online platform, said platform has a right to ban the player.
Ah. Fair for the ban from the site then.

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/22 4:27:01 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
The anal beads theory came from Elon Musk, btw. And yes, I've been following the drama.

So basically, Magnus used an extremely rare variation of his opening and his opponent used the oerfect counter to it that's only been used in a recorded game or two. Barring him having studied all potential variants and games with it, there are several ways to cheat over the board. Getting given the moves to use via someone spectating and using a computer and database is the most common method, though that's usually done via a microphone. The thing is, competitors get sent through a metal detector just to enter the tournament building. You'd figure that a remote controlled buttplug would also get detected, even if it was already in seeing as steel plates and the like show up. To counter this, there's now a 15 minute delay in the streams for the game so nobody spectating can look up the optimal plays. And the player accused of cheating had a metal detector wand scoured over him as he arrived each day afterwards.

But yeah, realistically I don't think the guy cheated and Magnus hasn't even formally accused him but he implied it and it's resulted in the opponent being punished with scrutiny and other GMs accusing him as well as his ban from chess.com and removal from their upcoming $1 million prize tournament.

Incidentally, chess.com very recently acquired Magnus Carlson's website so he holds a large stake in chess.com as part of the deal. So it's pretty much feeling like Magnus can't stand that he lost, can't prove any cheating so he won't come out and say it, but is having the opponent penalized as though he'd been found guilty.
The dude has literally admitted that he used to cheat

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HairyQueen
09/17/22 4:30:12 AM
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So you're saying I could become a grandmaster by doing what I do every day?

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pinky0926
09/17/22 4:30:40 AM
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I dont know if these allegations are true or not but what is it about this guy, he comes across like a colossal asshole every time he opens his mouth

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Turtlemayor333
09/17/22 4:30:54 AM
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Is there any other game or sport in the world where if the top player loses one time, people lose their minds and immediately say the opponent must have cheated

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pinky0926
09/17/22 4:33:42 AM
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Turtlemayor333 posted...
Is there any other game or sport in the world where if the top player loses one time, people lose their minds and immediately say the opponent must have cheated

The smash bros community is surprisingly similar

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/22 5:05:59 AM
#37:


Turtlemayor333 posted...
Is there any other game or sport in the world where if the top player loses one time, people lose their minds and immediately say the opponent must have cheated
Yeah several.


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LinkDaLunatic
09/17/22 5:10:22 AM
#38:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

she has probably also utilized vibrating anal bead morse code at some point
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haloiscoolisbak
09/17/22 5:14:03 AM
#39:


Magnus tweet was such a little bitch move. It seems in all likelihood the kid just beat him fair and square, despite his history. If morse code anal beads is the most plausible cheating theory, in a building he had to walk through a metal detector to enter, people are clutching at straws

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Arcanine2009
09/17/22 5:17:19 AM
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Nobody can prove it. It's theory

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Crazyman93
09/17/22 5:27:30 AM
#41:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

No, I think setting up the cheat was the pain in the ass.

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LinkPizza
09/17/22 5:43:25 AM
#42:


Crazyman93 posted...
No, I think setting up the cheat was the pain in the ass.

Or maybe it was fun

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Fin_Dawg_004
09/19/22 2:51:47 PM
#43:


https://twitter.com/ChampChessTour/status/1571909298145591296

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HylianFox
09/19/22 2:54:16 PM
#44:


this has already been proven fake

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Will_VIIII
09/19/22 2:55:04 PM
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I dunno why this was bumped days later

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WingsOfGood
09/19/22 2:56:13 PM
#46:


Maybe their mistress forced them to do it.
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DKBananaSlamma
09/19/22 2:57:02 PM
#47:


Wow lol

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FigureOfSpeech
09/19/22 2:57:28 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
The anal beads theory came from Elon Musk

lol

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MICHALECOLE
09/19/22 2:57:45 PM
#49:


Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
https://twitter.com/ChampChessTour/status/1571909298145591296
Why he do that
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masterpug53
09/19/22 2:57:52 PM
#50:


Elon Musk has even weighed in on the situation, supporting an idea that anal beads were used to facilitate cheating.

That's somehow the least surprising thing I've read all day.

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