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Takuya_Lee
09/14/22 4:00:00 PM
#51:


DarkRoast posted...
Having absurdly high base attack and THEN getting a free +1 to attack on switch-in is absurd.
Not to mention he's got a base speed of 148(!!!!!!)

And has a move that deals 2x damage to Dynamax Pokemon. It not being able to Dynamax itself is not a bad trade or that power and speed.

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TotACon
09/14/22 4:03:56 PM
#52:


Base form Zamacenta is the best looking one of the 4 tho.
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gamepimp12
09/14/22 4:55:35 PM
#53:


TotACon posted...
This is correct. It's also unnecessary, and none of this means Dark/Rock is a good typing, though.

Let me show you something:

https://youtu.be/4cRIC8b7cws?t=131

144/153

https://playpokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Wolfe_Glick

i know who wolf glick.

and I never said dark rock was a good typing, i just said it isnt god awful.

its a painfully average typing.


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Makeveli_lives
09/14/22 5:04:26 PM
#54:


gamepimp12 posted...
Hes actually making the same point I am.

Normal type attacks are so uncommon the only viable Pokmon that uses them are H-zoroak.

Ghost is pretty much used only on stab, itll come in handy but its not so good or common youll be switching into shadow balls every game.

the Fighting weakness is the one thats extremely valuable here something you will be using every match.

Granted ghost normal is a good typing for its offensive ability and its immunities are just cherries on top.
To expand on it, offensively normal is the worst attacking type in the game as nothing is weak to it and it has a couple common resistances to steel and rock types which are common in competitive. Snorlax is probably the most consistently common normal Pokmon but how often in recent times is it recommended that it carry return over something like heavy slam or high horsepower instead? And shadow ball/claws are the only real viable ghost moves but you only see them on Gengar and Mimikyu at this point. The first would likely sludge bomb instead and the second would probably play rough.

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DarkRoast
09/14/22 5:20:51 PM
#55:


Normal is actually really good offensively, because it tends to have higher base damage. A perfect example is extreme speed, a base 80 damage +2 priority attack.

Afaik Normal is the only type move than can paralyze ground types.

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Makeveli_lives
09/14/22 7:16:36 PM
#56:


DarkRoast posted...
Normal is actually really good offensively, because it tends to have higher base damage. A perfect example is extreme speed, a base 80 damage +2 priority attack.

Afaik Normal is the only type move than can paralyze ground types.
Stun Spore and force palm paralyze as well.

And also thats only because of the priority.
Only other priority move sees that kind of play is first impression but only one Pokmon capable of learning I think. Fake out also sees a lot of use but thats because of its secondary effect of always flinching. Most offensive moves are picked for consistent accuracy, damage and coverage and normal attacks typically dont give that.

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DrizztLink
09/14/22 7:22:44 PM
#57:


Makeveli_lives posted...
Only other priority move sees that kind of play is first impression
Rillaboom Grassy Guide sees some action, doesn't it?

Obviously not to the same degree.

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Makeveli_lives
09/14/22 7:35:26 PM
#58:


DrizztLink posted...
Rillaboom Grassy Guide sees some action, doesn't it?

Obviously not to the same degree.
Every Pokmon that can learn fake out probably runs it, cant say the same for fake out. The two arent the same. Rilla will because of its ability. Make that ability illegal and see the usage drop significantly.

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gamepimp12
09/14/22 7:48:50 PM
#59:


DarkRoast posted...
Normal is actually really good offensively, because it tends to have higher base damage. A perfect example is extreme speed, a base 80 damage +2 priority attack.

Afaik Normal is the only type move than can paralyze ground types.

its not good offensively, because it has no SE and super common resist/immunities.

zoraoak is probably the best normal type in the game now. I cant see it using hyper voice consistently. It doesnt have a reason to. Shadow ball flamethrower achieve the better coverage with a similar damage output.


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LightningAce11
09/14/22 7:51:11 PM
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Fairy/Steel, no doubt about it. The strongest offensive and defensive type put together.

Not a coincidence its mostly been on some of the most busted Pokmon ever made.

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DrizztLink
09/14/22 7:52:14 PM
#61:


LightningAce11 posted...
Fairy/Steel, no doubt about it. The strongest offensive and defensive type put together.

Not a coincidence its mostly been on some of the most busted Pokmon ever made.
With Levitate or with Flash Fire?

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LightningAce11
09/14/22 7:54:14 PM
#62:


DrizztLink posted...
With Levitate or with Flash Fire?
Huge Power, Soul Heart and Intrepid Sword.

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TotACon
09/14/22 9:15:29 PM
#63:


gamepimp12 posted...
i know who wolf glick.

and I never said dark rock was a good typing, i just said it isnt god awful.

its a painfully average typing.

Yes, it is. 144/153 F tier god awful.

I like the backpedaling tho.
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gamepimp12
09/14/22 10:20:35 PM
#64:


TotACon posted...
Yes, it is. 144/153 F tier god awful.

I like the backpedaling tho.


obviously I disagree with wolf. Get off his nuts.

and when did I back pedal ?

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TotACon
09/14/22 11:08:58 PM
#65:


gamepimp12 posted...
obviously I disagree with wolf. Get off his nuts.

and when did I back pedal ?

Oh look, person who says "Dark/Rock isn't that bad because you can predict, duh!" (which applies to literally everything), who refuses to state where he stands on current or past metagames yet says "I don't understand", is telling me "get off this professional player's nuts" because he agrees with me.

Could you be more of a bad clich, bud?

TotACon posted...
May I ask what meta(s) do you play and what's your ranking?

Can you please answer this to know why should I or anyone give a fuck about you disagreeing with a literal professional on this? Or are you going to insert another homophobic retort and dodge the question again?
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Ryuko_Chan
09/14/22 11:18:24 PM
#66:


its fairy and steel and its actually not close

notice how the 2 newest types put together into one is the strongest combo

gg powercreep

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DarkRoast
09/14/22 11:35:34 PM
#67:


Ryuko_Chan posted...
its fairy and steel and its actually not close

notice how the 2 newest types put together into one is the strongest combo

gg powercreep

It's kind of sad that I still consider steel a new type even though it was added 23 years ago

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gamepimp12
09/14/22 11:53:08 PM
#68:


TotACon posted...
Oh look, person who says "Dark/Rock isn't that bad because you can predict, duh!" (which applies to literally everything), who refuses to state where he stands on current or past metagames yet says "I don't understand", is telling me "get off this professional player's nuts" because he agrees with me.

Could you be more of a bad clich, bud?

Can you please answer this to know why should I or anyone give a fuck about you disagreeing with a literal professional on this? Or are you going to insert another homophobic retort and dodge the question again?


okay you have got to be trolling at this point or being incredibly intentionally obtuse.

and since when is saying someone dick riding homophobic lmao ?

Ill repeat myself for the last time and then Im ignoring you regardless of your response.

majority of dark/rock weakness are not common attacking types.

Water: Literally Only used for stab or rain team techs
Grass: Only used for stab
Fairy: Mainly used for stab
Steel: Mainly used for stab
Bug: common but primarily used for utility in u-turn
Fighting: Extremely common
Ground: earthquake is the most common move in the game.

As you can see 4/7 weaknesses arent a big deal because of the meta, those typing poor distribution, and those typings poor attacking power.

its not the fact that you can predict, because of course, you can predict anything. ITS THE FACT THE PREDICTIONS ARE EASY.

half its weakness are irrelevant the other half are staple moves with wide distribution that ends up on almost any Pokmon that get them, if a Pokmon has earthquake and close combat its probably using it.

and for the record Wolf isnt an elite singles player, hes top 10 VGC, but hes not the end all be all on Pokmon.


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TotACon
09/15/22 12:12:17 AM
#69:


TotACon posted...
Can you please answer this to know why should I or anyone give a f*** about you disagreeing with a literal professional on this? Or are you going to insert another homophobic retort and dodge the question again?

*dodges the question*

And you keep saying the same idiotic points. "lol its just STAB bro" and "you can like PREDICT". And somehow I'm the one that's "unfamiliar" with Pokemon. And now "hey this guy who's achieved more than I ever will on this subject isn't THE BEST EVER so that somehow invalidates his points and makes my dumb ones better!".

Your head is a magical place far away form reality buddy. Go ahead and ignore me, you wouldn't be the first one to cover his ears and run away. You're doing me a favor.

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gamepimp12
09/15/22 12:13:20 AM
#70:


Lmaooo.

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kuwab0
09/15/22 12:24:17 AM
#71:


Fairy needs a nerf

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gamepimp12
09/15/22 12:37:39 AM
#72:


kuwab0 posted...
Fairy needs a nerf


Ehhh I dont think it does actually. the fairy Pokmon that are broken would be broken regardless of the typing.

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TotACon
09/15/22 12:50:58 AM
#73:


gamepimp12 posted...
Im ignoring you regardless of your response.

gamepimp12 posted...
Lmaooo.

Entry level trolling. Can't decide if you're worse at trolling, arguments, or Pokemon.
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TotACon
09/15/22 12:53:39 AM
#74:


gamepimp12 posted...
Ehhh I dont think it does actually. the fairy Pokmon that are broken would be broken regardless of the typing.

Jesus christ..
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Ryuko_Chan
09/15/22 4:10:44 AM
#75:


DarkRoast posted...
It's kind of sad that I still consider steel a new type even though it was added 23 years ago
steel type is literally older than me but i consider it a new type as well. weird

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Srk700
09/15/22 10:36:42 AM
#76:


kuwab0 posted...
Fairy needs a nerf

I think they just need to have bug removed as one of their resistances, since bug didn't really need another type that resisted it, especially since it was already bad offensively. Other than that I'm fine with the Fairy typing being what they are.
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gamepimp12
09/15/22 10:57:32 AM
#77:


Srk700 posted...
I think they just need to have bug removed as one of their resistances, since bug didn't really need another type that resisted it, especially since it was already bad offensively. Other than that I'm fine with the Fairy typing being what they are.


thats more of a bug needing a buff than it is fairy needing a nerf

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DarkRoast
09/15/22 11:03:54 AM
#78:


Bug should've been super-effective against Fairy, IMO. It even makes sense rationally.

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TotACon
09/15/22 11:41:49 AM
#79:


DarkRoast posted...
Bug should've been super-effective against Fairy, IMO. It even makes sense rationally.

I think swapping Bug and Fairy type relation is the most agreed upon balance change among Pokemom fans ever.

DO IT GAMEFREAK

Also make Ice resist Water & Flying, give Poison types and acid move that's SE vs steel and remove Rocks weakness to water.
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MedeaLysistrata
09/16/22 8:57:02 AM
#80:


Is Quagsire a play Quagmire?

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