Current Events > Cyberpunk DLC releasing today, expansion revealed and releasing later.

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Finis-XII posted...

At best that's like half true. Some people went with the assumption that he would die early (which to be fair, did happen to be correct), but many others speculated you could either save him or that was just a "bad ending" from choices during an edgerunner job gone wrong. Spin the narrative however you want, just like with everything else they made him out to be more than he actually was in the game.

Eh, Jackie surviving was more of a wishful thinking kind of thing. This was my comment on reddit, pre-release:

"I'm hoping that Jackie dying is just a possible outcome of that quest, rather than it being one of those unavoidable character deaths. I have noticed though, that he's not shown in any gameplay after V has the chip in their head."

But the issue is not really about Jackie himself. The main story of the game is a rushed, badly paced, and criminally short mess that the devs clearly weren't given enough time to flesh out. All because of CDPR's "muhhh 2020, this is the year it has to happen" shit. The Jackie montage is just the prime example that makes the issue obvious.

The only part of the game that felt rushed was the beginning. Not because it felt like Jackie should have been around longer. But because CDPR made it sound like the life paths would be long, in depth intros. But they ended up being 1 mission, plus the same montage afterwards.

The game overall was a decent length though. It took me about 50 hours to complete my first playthrough.

Finis-XII posted...

In this case, no it's really not that weird of a thing to assume, because we can see what happened with Cyberpunk's development with our own eyes from the game itself. That journalist Jason Schreier's documentation after the fact just confirmed what we already suspected, and it was even worse than what we originally imagined. They cut corners in every aspect of the game to reach the 2020 deadline. Unfinished.

And there's nothing wrong with montages in itself, it's the way Cyberpunk used that one that makes it obvious they were trying to patch up a gap in the game's storytelling.

no one's denying that CP2077 cut corners - it's something that everyone either experienced for themselves or through the various negative press.

however, if a montage was used to fill in gaps, IYO, you didn't like how it was handled, or whatever, it doesn't mean the game is unfinished; it means, at worst, they used an alternative method to complete it.

that's just how it goes sometimes.

BakonBitz posted...

The revisionist history going on complaining about fanboys shilling over a game is hilarious.

Absolutely NOBODY liked the game and called it great at release. Tons of people were unhappy, wanted refunds (and got them), and said that it tarnished CDPR's reputation. After CDPR promised to keep updating it for free so that it actually works, the opinion of the game started to turn around. People haven't been shilling out money for this game, they've been waiting until it's a game worth playing.

I loved it at release. As did lots of people, at least those of us who played on PC.

I haven't bothered to finish the game but I thought the mission they used for the demo to hype up how varied the game could be depending on your player choices basically being the only mission in the entire game like that was the biggest sign that the game didn't turn out how they wanted.

g0ldie posted...

however, if a montage was used to fill in gaps, IYO, you didn't like how it was handled, or whatever, it doesn't mean the game is unfinished; it means, at worst, they used an alternative method to complete it.

"You just didn't like how it was handled" is a cop out. It's a de facto unfinished game. They made a poor attempt at patching up their unfinished work, and it's a worse game than it should've been because of it. That's the point.

The story is just one aspect of the game you've decided to focus on, and like most others greatly disappointed with Cyberpunk I'm saying it's unfinished in nearly EVERY aspect of the game including the story. By this point you've already admitted as much you're not denying CDPR cut corners with its development, so I dunno why you continue to argue at me over this.

Finis-XII posted...

"You just didn't like how it was handled" is a cop out. It's a de facto unfinished game. They made a poor attempt at patching up their unfinished work, and it's a worse game than it should've been because of it. That's the point.

The story is just one aspect of the game you've decided to focus on, and like most others greatly disappointed with Cyberpunk I'm saying it's unfinished in nearly EVERY aspect of the game including the story. By this point you've already admitted as much you're not denying CDPR cut corners with its development, so I dunno why you continue to argue at me over this.

Id say the fact that you are trying to make your point a fact rather them an opinion will be why it gets argued.

I'm saying that "you maybe didn't like how it was handled" because not everyone had an issue with the opening montage.

you're saying that it was rushed, awkward, etc. but those are all subjective. I didn't think it was the greatest, but it was still entertaining, IMO.

I'm also saying that while cutting corners, CDPR still provided a "full" experience - like, if you didn't know what was advertised/potentially cut, outside of it feeling like a mostly bare bones, deeply flawed game, you couldn't claim anything was missing.

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Baha05 posted...

Id say the fact that you are trying to make your point a fact rather them an opinion will be why it gets argued.

"nuh uh your opinion"

Ok fanboy.

g0ldie posted...

I'm also saying that while cutting corners, CDPR still provided a "full" experience - like, if you didn't know what was advertised/potentially cut, outside of it feeling like a mostly bare bones, deeply flawed game, you couldn't claim anything was missing.

If by a "full" experience you mean you get a lot of hours out of it just like any other generic open-world looter shooter game, then sure I can agree with that. But that's besides the point.

The problem with that is we live in this reality, the reality where we DO know what game CDPR promised, the game CP 2077 was supposed to be, and exactly what they failed to deliver on. It's not just that it's a deeply flawed, bare bones game. It's that there's so much shit they didn't give themselves enough time to put in the game, and thus why the accusations of it being unfinished I'd say are completely warranted.

Finis-XII posted...

"nuh uh your opinion"

Ok fanboy.

If by a "full" experience you mean you get a lot of hours out of it just like any other generic open-world looter shooter game, then sure I can agree with that. But that's besides the point.

The problem with that is we live in this reality, the reality where we DO know what game CDPR promised, the game CP 2077 was supposed to be, and exactly what they failed to deliver on. It's not just that it's a deeply flawed, bare bones game. It's that there's so much shit they didn't give themselves enough time to put in the game, and thus why the accusations of it being unfinished I'd say are completely warranted.

It is your opinion and this has jack shit to do with being a fanboy and more about knowing that just because something got cut or trimmed down doesnt make something incomplete. More so then ever in gaming. Otherwise you can argue no game is complete because games will have content that gets cut from the final product.

Fuck how many movies have deleted scenes out there? Would you consider those to be incomplete?

IDK if I'm tripping or what because google is turning up nothing but I could've sworn I saw an articles years ago detailing the ripperdocs, trauma team, netrunners, rockerboys, and corpos as playable paths/classes. Back before any trailers when it was Cyberpunk the RPG not Cyberpunk the Action Game.

Stopped reading after post 20 but basically Cyberpunk sounds like Fable which didn't come close to what it promised but was still a good game

I got Cyberpunk for $10 with a steelbook so leggo

Starting to reach No Man's Sky redemption levels tbh

MacadamianNut3 posted...

Stopped reading after post 20 but basically Cyberpunk sounds like Fable which didn't come close to what it promised but was still a good game

I got Cyberpunk for $10 with a steelbook so leggo

Id argue Fable is still worse in terms of what was promised. Hell even No Mans Sly eventually added the promised content.

I also read somewhere that the suites wanted to feature more of Johnny/Keanu than what was originally planned because of his jump in popularity from the John Wick movies.

Because of this the story had to undergo a few more revisions and the quality was compromised as a result.

And now they want to show more Johnny in the expansion?

Baha05 posted...

It is your opinion and this has jack shit to do with

Yeah no fucking shit we know games and movies have content cut and not used in the final product. That's not why Cyberpunk is an unfinished game, the issue is CDPR lying their asses off for years about what the final product would be like so they could rush the game out for a 2020 December release. No, that's not my opinion those are facts. You really fucking suck at comprehending the issues being discussed here.

Finis-XII posted...

Yeah no fucking shit we know games and movies have content cut and not used in the final product. That's not why Cyberpunk is an unfinished game, the issue is CDPR lying their asses off for years about what the final product would be like so they could rush the game out for a 2020 December release. No, that's not my opinion those are facts. You really fucking suck at comprehending the issues being discussed here.

Because the issue at hand rather it being lying or not is irrelevant to the fact that you are trying to argue one thing thing in favor of the notion of a lie when in reality that plays little to nothing at hand. Because content can be changed or removed at almost any point in development.

Baha05 posted...

Because the issue at hand rather it being lying or not is irrelevant to the fact that you are trying to argue one thing thing in favor of the notion of a lie when in reality that plays little to nothing at hand. Because content can be changed or removed at almost any point in development.

CDPR are scummy liars that overhyped and rushed out an unfinished game. They over promised and under delivered. Now their reputation is in the toilet over the disaster, and rightly so. That's reality. Nobody gives a shit about your stupid fanboy excuses. None of that trollish drivel you typed out changes anything I said.

Finis-XII posted...

CDPR are scummy liars that overhyped and rushed out an unfinished game. They over promised and under delivered. Now their reputation is in the toilet over the disaster, and rightly so. That's reality. Nobody gives a shit about your stupid fanboy excuses. None of that trollish drivel you typed out changes anything I said.

Whatever you say then, you want to post that fine thats all you for sounding fanboyish.

I think the montage was supposed to show the rpg aspects they failed to include, and the stuff they cut for keanu

Finis-XII posted...

CDPR are scummy liars that overhyped and rushed out an unfinished game. They over promised and under delivered. Now their reputation is in the toilet over the disaster, and rightly so. That's reality. Nobody gives a shit about your stupid fanboy excuses. None of that trollish drivel you typed out changes anything I said.

lmao

TendoDRM posted...

lmao

Ir?

I can't imagine being this upset over a game. Move on

chukklez17dc posted...

I can't imagine being this upset over a game. Move on

I can considering the website we are on.

Back_Stabbath posted...

IDK if I'm tripping or what because google is turning up nothing but I could've sworn I saw an articles years ago detailing the ripperdocs, trauma team, netrunners, rockerboys, and corpos as playable paths/classes. Back before any trailers when it was Cyberpunk the RPG not Cyberpunk the Action Game.

It was meant to be a proper RPG before everything was ripped up and rewritten to focus around Mr. Breathtaking.

Jagr_68 posted...

Ya know if the game was still shit, that angry person would be justified in their argument of gamers supporting trash...BUT it is very good now.

End of story.

Not really

Defending not having advertised features and the practice of releasing unfinished shit that you eventually fix if sales are good enough is crazy anti consumer

And you're being a sheep/whale for rolling over and Defending it

UnfairRepresent posted...

Not really

Defending not having advertised features and the practice of releasing unfinished shit that you eventually fix if sales are good enough is crazy anti consumer

And you're being a sheep/whale for rolling over and Defending it

Site people doing this

I'll grab a bundle with the dlc when they release one.

g0ldie posted...

just because something lacks what was advertised/promised, it doesn't mean that it can't be good in its own right.

it does mean it is inheriently a scam since its lacking promised features, and full refunds no questions asked is justified

The fact there's people who are fans of this game shows how little faith in humanity I have.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

The fact there's people who are fans of this game shows how little faith in humanity I have.

So you are just naturally a grump?

Baha05 posted...

So you are just naturally a grump?

Or I know that there hasn't been a good game since 2006 and this just further proves we stray farther what is considered a good game.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

Or I know that there hasn't been a good game since 2006 and this just further proves we stray farther what is considered a good game.

Wat

2007 was one of the best years of all time for gaming

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

Or I know that there hasn't been a good game since 2006 and this just further proves we stray farther what is considered a good game.

So a grump gotcha. Opinion ignored

Lmao gamers are fucking losers

Anyway Ill probably get into this when I build a new PC

Oswaldo posted...

Wat

2007 was one of the best years of all time for gaming

All games post 2006 have been bad. That is the transition point where games became more corporate, less risks are taken, and DLC became the norm.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

All games post 2006 have been bad. That is the transition point where games became more corporate, less risks are taken, and DLC became the norm.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas

Baha05 posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas

It's a modern Bethesda game so this doesn't count. And its in the same buggy engine that they have been doing for years. Who cares if it was developed by a different studio.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

It's a modern Bethesda game so this doesn't count. And its in the same buggy engine that they have been doing for years. Who cares if it was developed by a different studio.

It proves you have a bad opinion

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

All games post 2006 have been bad. That is the transition point where games became more corporate, less risks are taken, and DLC became the norm.

Okay I'll bite. Why did games start being bad after 2006? And what was the last great game before that "transition"?

That guy clearly isn't arguing in good faith and is probably going to dismiss any legit good post-2006 game for very arbitrary and stupid reasons

Kloe_Rinz posted...

it does mean it is inheriently a scam since its lacking promised features, and full refunds no questions asked is justified

my post was in reference to another one where the dude was responding to something about CP277 after the patches.

but even if it wasn't, this doesn't dispute what I posted.

GhostFaceLeaks posted...

All games post 2006 have been bad. That is the transition point where games became more corporate, less risks are taken, and DLC became the norm.

Portal bad?
Halo 3 bad?
Call of Duty 4 bad?
Mass Effect bad?
Assassins Creed bad?
Rainbow Six Vegas bad?
Super Mario Galaxy bad?
Pokemon Diamond bad?
Metroid Prime 3 bad?
Bioshock bad?
Oblivion bad?
God of War 2 bad?
Team Fortress 2 bad?
Crysis bad?
Uncharted bad?
Phantom Hourglass bad?

Oswaldo posted...

Rainbow Six Vegas bad?

err what? One of these things is not like the others lol

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That guy clearly isn't arguing in good faith and is probably going to dismiss any legit good post-2006 game for very arbitrary and stupid reasons

Not only that, but he's on a video game forum when he hasn't liked a new game in 16 years. Even if he's being serious, he's not a rational person and what he says doesn't matter.

I4NRulez posted...

err what? One of these things is not like the others lol

That game was awesome