Current Events > Are people really upset with She Hulk twerking

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puppy posted...

You are comparing it to real life, I'm just giving you the viewer's perspective. I'm saying it in the context of the show, as the director is trying to build a character, and we are building all of her personality attributes and quirks based on what the director is showing us. The director shows us A, and then betrays A with B. That's all I'm saying.

You just keep repeating yourself. There's no betraying A with B because a woman shouldn't be catcalled regardless of what she does.

puppy posted...

You are comparing it to real life, I'm just giving you the viewer's perspective.

And a viewer with at least one brain cell to jerk itself off bases their perception of fictional characters around real life.

"I understand that in real life, people are multidimensional and context/situation is relevant in how they present themselves and in what behavior they find acceptable, but this is a TV show character so that's just very confusing and they should be entirely one note two-dimensional carboard cutouts!"

puppy posted...

You are comparing it to real life, I'm just giving you the viewer's perspective. I'm saying it in the context of the show, as the director is trying to build a character, and we are building all of her personality attributes and quirks based on what the director is showing us. The director shows us A, and then betrays A with B. That's all I'm saying.

No women should have to go through that, regardless of what they do as a profession. But again, our culture is all about wild accusations, and I have like 4 vs 1 in this topic lol.

A woman willingly being sexual or provocative does not stop her from being a feminist.
It doesn't make her less deserving of respect and human decency.
Women having fun and enjoying themselves does not turn them into an object.

Murphiroth posted...

...did there need to be something to suggest she liked hip hop? Like what?

She aint down for the culture bro. Show me something that suggest otherwise.

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puppy posted...

You are comparing it to real life, I'm just giving you the viewer's perspective. I'm saying it in the context of the show, as the director is trying to build a character, and we are building all of her personality attributes and quirks based on what the director is showing us. The director shows us A, and then betrays A with B. That's all I'm saying.

No women should have to go through that, regardless of what they do as a profession. But again, our culture is all about wild accusations, and I have like 4 vs 1 in this topic lol.

Well, here's the thing, Bruce, I'm great at controlling my anger, I do it all the time. When I'm catcalled in the street, when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me. I do it pretty much every day, because if I don't, I'll get called 'emotional' or 'difficult', or might just literally get murdered. So I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you!"

Please explain why this means she can't twerk having fun.

puppy posted...

because obviously they couldn't portray She-Hulk like they do in the comics (imagine that backlash, She-Hulk sleeping with every male superhero).

Just so you're aware, people keep saying this but unless this is exclusively in Avengers books that's never been her personality in her solo books.

Is this all from that one She Hulk having sex with Juggernaut page people keep passing around? The one Dan Slott, the guy who has written about a third of all solo She Hulk books specifically retconned as an alternate universe version of She Hulk because it was out of character.

I want her to crush me with her ass.

Saw the video on YouTube and it was incredibly cringe. No pun intended.

You don't like being catcalled

Yet you like music and dancing

Curious

Hornezz posted...

You don't like being catcalled

Yet you like music and dancing

Curious

wut

puppy posted...

Okay, I'll address this, then.

You are looking at it like She-Hulk is a real woman. I'm looking at it in the perspective of the viewer. The viewer sees a character complain to a man about how her life is harder than his, and her evidence is "I am a woman". As a viewer, you are supposed to sympathize with her, and understand that yes, there are terrible men, and yes, they do terrible things to women, and even though these two people now share a common power, she will always have more issues in society. It establishes that maybe this MCU character will be different than her comic book portrayal, because obviously they couldn't portray She-Hulk like they do in the comics (imagine that backlash, She-Hulk sleeping with every male superhero).

Then just a few episodes later, the viewer has to watch this same character twerk with Megan Thee Stallion, who's whole schtick is sex. Megan has been on stages humping the ground, so it's safe to say that she is proud to be a sex symbol in our society. Nothing wrong with that, but usually the viewer will now forever link them together. The cat (calling) is out of the bag, no pun intended.

And no, it wasn't a private moment, the windows are glass and they are blaring her music, which would obviously cause a commotion. I just wish they portrayed it accurately, having the whole building shake lol.

Obviously someone on set thought "Let's invite Megan, it'll hit different" and this was the result, and it totally betrayed her character from episode 1. Plus, it was just so incredibly lame.

You clearly don't understand that women can be both feminists and sexual beings at the same time. This is not a contradiction. The fact that you think it is means you are trying to place them in one neat little box, which is sexist. Although, I will admit that it is possible that you do this with everyone, men and women, to try to navigate social norms that you don't understand. So maybe you simply need more exposure and experience.

puppy posted...

Okay, I'll address this, then.

You are looking at it like She-Hulk is a real woman. I'm looking at it in the perspective of the viewer. The viewer sees a character complain to a man about how her life is harder than his, and her evidence is "I am a woman". As a viewer, you are supposed to sympathize with her, and understand that yes, there are terrible men, and yes, they do terrible things to women, and even though these two people now share a common power, she will always have more issues in society. It establishes that maybe this MCU character will be different than her comic book portrayal, because obviously they couldn't portray She-Hulk like they do in the comics (imagine that backlash, She-Hulk sleeping with every male superhero).

Then just a few episodes later, the viewer has to watch this same character twerk with Megan Thee Stallion, who's whole schtick is sex. Megan has been on stages humping the ground, so it's safe to say that she is proud to be a sex symbol in our society. Nothing wrong with that, but usually the viewer will now forever link them together. The cat (calling) is out of the bag, no pun intended.

And no, it wasn't a private moment, the windows are glass and they are blaring her music, which would obviously cause a commotion. I just wish they portrayed it accurately, having the whole building shake lol.

Obviously someone on set thought "Let's invite Megan, it'll hit different" and this was the result, and it totally betrayed her character from episode 1. Plus, it was just so incredibly lame.

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I thought of it as a symptom of her finding her self-confidence and realization of the shift in power dynamics that her abilities afford her.

Which was also present in that fight with the thugs on the street in that episode.

Y'know. Character arcs and stuff.

Seems like a dumb scene, but Shehulk in the comics is a goofy weirdo who would definitely do that.

We before they changed her to be exactly like the Hulk but girl.

puppy posted...

This show started off with a sex-based rant where she compared her woes to Bruce Banner's, and how much harder it is for her to make it through every day as a woman.

Then just a few episodes later, she's twerking with a rapper known to feature her body parts. It's just hilariously ironic...

That's not ironic, or contradictory. Women are allowed to sexualize themselves and still be against catcalling.

puppy posted...

Okay, I'll address this, then.

You are looking at it like She-Hulk is a real woman. I'm looking at it in the perspective of the viewer. The viewer sees a character complain to a man about how her life is harder than his, and her evidence is "I am a woman". As a viewer, you are supposed to sympathize with her, and understand that yes, there are terrible men, and yes, they do terrible things to women, and even though these two people now share a common power, she will always have more issues in society. It establishes that maybe this MCU character will be different than her comic book portrayal, because obviously they couldn't portray She-Hulk like they do in the comics (imagine that backlash, She-Hulk sleeping with every male superhero).

Then just a few episodes later, the viewer has to watch this same character twerk with Megan Thee Stallion, who's whole schtick is sex. Megan has been on stages humping the ground, so it's safe to say that she is proud to be a sex symbol in our society. Nothing wrong with that, but usually the viewer will now forever link them together. The cat (calling) is out of the bag, no pun intended.

And no, it wasn't a private moment, the windows are glass and they are blaring her music, which would obviously cause a commotion. I just wish they portrayed it accurately, having the whole building shake lol.

Obviously someone on set thought "Let's invite Megan, it'll hit different" and this was the result, and it totally betrayed her character from episode 1. Plus, it was just so incredibly lame.

See, your problem is that, for whatever reason (whether it's genuine or disingenuous), you seem to think women wanting to be taken seriously in their careers and be treated respectfully as human beings (which is what Jen was actually venting about) is undermined by them being depicted in sexual situations, which is an asinine argument.

The irony here is that you're feeding directly into the idea that women cannot be sex-positive without relinquishing their dignity and ability to be taken seriously, which is a patriarchal and puritannical concept.

If the viewer finds anything about this to be "contradictory", then that speaks more to their own feelings about women than anything the show is doing.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

See, your problem is that, for whatever reason (whether it's genuine or disingenuous), you seem to think women wanting to be taken seriously in their careers and be treated respectfully as human beings (which is what Jen was actually venting about) is undermined by them being depicted in sexual situations, which is an asinine argument.

The irony here is that you're feeding directly into the idea that women cannot be sex-positive without relinquishing their dignity and ability to be taken seriously, which is a patriarchal and puritannical concept.

If the viewer finds anything about this to be "contradictory", then that speaks more to their own feelings about women than anything the show is doing.

Thank you. Much better than anything I said.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

See, your problem is that, for whatever reason (whether it's genuine or disingenuous), you seem to think women wanting to be taken seriously in their careers and be treated respectfully as human beings (which is what Jen was actually venting about) is undermined by them being depicted in sexual situations, which is an asinine argument.

The irony here is that you're feeding directly into the idea that women cannot be sex-positive without relinquishing their dignity and ability to be taken seriously, which is a patriarchal and puritannical concept.

If the viewer finds anything about this to be "contradictory", then that speaks more to their own feelings about women than anything the show is doing.

There is nothing ironic about having to relinquish your dignity as soon as you are depicted in a sexual manner. You cant expect a pornstar to film a video, and then preach at the pulpit the next day, thats not how the world works. Whats funny is that there are actually pornstars who lead churches now, but thats because they rebuilt their lives, and regained their dignity. Its reality.

Take Denise Richards for example, shes not known to be a former actress anymore, but is now known to be a former actress who is on OnlyFans, with a daughter who is also on OnlyFans. Once you take that step, there is an exchange.

And yes, men have been able to get away with it for a while, but times are a-changing. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio, hes now being portrayed as the only dating under 26 actor now. Once you show a side to you thats either taboo or strange, that stigma gets attached to you. Thats life. Well see if our society grows out of it, and allows sexually explicit people to maintain their dignity.

We should all obviously have a base level of dignity, whereas a woman should be able to cross the street without getting cat-called. Thats a problem of how the person cat-calling them was brought up, having to grunt like a caveman every time they see someone who is pretty. I would expect a pornstar or stripper to be able to walk all throughout New York City without a single cat call, thats obvious. However, if that same girl tried to speak at a charity event for foster care, Id question the choice of her being the spokeswomen.

Also, whats hilarious is Im getting blasted for being a misogynist, while a topic about butts is on the same board lol.

Remember those old CEQuotes topics? I sure do miss those...

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UnfairRepresent posted...

wut

It seems like pretty obvious sarcasm

it did caught me off guard due to how random it was but its not the type of thing to get upset about...

puppy posted...

Well see if our society grows out of it, and allows sexually explicit people to maintain their dignity.

But you and people like you are the only ones trying to take away their dignity. Sane, compassionate, respectful people are still treating them with dignity because we understand that expressing your sexuality and being open with who you are, are not things to be ashamed of.

It is really dumb for them to be upset about it. Especially when they are also upset that marvel shows are sexless.

puppy posted...

I would expect a pornstar or stripper to be able to walk all throughout New York City without a single cat call, thats obvious. However, if that same girl tried to speak at a charity event for foster care, Id question the choice of her being the spokeswomen.

Why? Are strippers and pornstars not allowed to care about the welfare of children?

puppy posted...

There is nothing ironic about having to relinquish your dignity as soon as you are depicted in a sexual manner. You cant expect a pornstar to film a video, and then preach at the pulpit the next day, thats not how the world works. Whats funny is that there are actually pornstars who lead churches now, but thats because they rebuilt their lives, and regained their dignity. Its reality.

Take Denise Richards for example, shes not known to be a former actress anymore, but is now known to be a former actress who is on OnlyFans, with a daughter who is also on OnlyFans. Once you take that step, there is an exchange.

And yes, men have been able to get away with it for a while, but times are a-changing. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio, hes now being portrayed as the only dating under 26 actor now. Once you show a side to you thats either taboo or strange, that stigma gets attached to you. Thats life. Well see if our society grows out of it, and allows sexually explicit people to maintain their dignity.

We should all obviously have a base level of dignity, whereas a woman should be able to cross the street without getting cat-called. Thats a problem of how the person cat-calling them was brought up, having to grunt like a caveman every time they see someone who is pretty. I would expect a pornstar or stripper to be able to walk all throughout New York City without a single cat call, thats obvious. However, if that same girl tried to speak at a charity event for foster care, Id question the choice of her being the spokeswomen.

Also, whats hilarious is Im getting blasted for being a misogynist, while a topic about butts is on the same board lol.

Wow. You don't get it. Also, we are talking about women in general, not pornstars. Have you ever dated or had female friends?

twerking is canon

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

it did caught me off guard due to how random it was but its not the type of thing to get upset about...

Pretty sure that's why it was a post credits scene, because it was supposed to just be a goofy little scene.

I don't think there's anything to show how much puppy does not get it than him comparing women dancing for fun to porn lol

I didn't know people were upset at the scene. Then my cousin and his wife were bitching about it and saying it was unnecessary and inappropriate for children. All I could think to myself was how they forget you see and hear worse things at school.

Im married to my beautiful wife and have been for 10 years. But yall do you. Im out. I concede.

puppy posted...

*sigh*

It's the irony of it all.

She-Hulk was sexualized in the comics, like...one of the worst culprits of it. This show started off with a sex-based rant where she compared her woes to Bruce Banner's, and how much harder it is for her to make it through every day as a woman. It seemed as though they were going to drop that view of her and adopt a silly, yet strong and feminist version of She-Hulk.

Then just a few episodes later, she's twerking with a rapper known to feature her body parts. It's just hilariously ironic...

bro its just dancing lol.

puppy posted...

Im married to my beautiful wife and have been for 10 years. But yall do you. Im out. I concede.

Not sure how thats relevant. I've been married to my wife for just about as long and my views towards women aren't as archaic and misogynistic.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

A woman twerking DOES NOT revoke the show from being feminist. Theres no irony here.

He got schooled on his idiotic take in another topic on this same thing. Seems like he hasn't learned the difference between a guy harassing a woman, and a woman dancing with a friend in privacy.

puppy posted...

There is nothing ironic about having to relinquish your dignity as soon as you are depicted in a sexual manner. You cant expect a pornstar to film a video, and then preach at the pulpit the next day, thats not how the world works. Whats funny is that there are actually pornstars who lead churches now, but thats because they rebuilt their lives, and regained their dignity. Its reality.

Take Denise Richards for example, shes not known to be a former actress anymore, but is now known to be a former actress who is on OnlyFans, with a daughter who is also on OnlyFans. Once you take that step, there is an exchange.

And yes, men have been able to get away with it for a while, but times are a-changing. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio, hes now being portrayed as the only dating under 26 actor now. Once you show a side to you thats either taboo or strange, that stigma gets attached to you. Thats life. Well see if our society grows out of it, and allows sexually explicit people to maintain their dignity.

We should all obviously have a base level of dignity, whereas a woman should be able to cross the street without getting cat-called. Thats a problem of how the person cat-calling them was brought up, having to grunt like a caveman every time they see someone who is pretty. I would expect a pornstar or stripper to be able to walk all throughout New York City without a single cat call, thats obvious. However, if that same girl tried to speak at a charity event for foster care, Id question the choice of her being the spokeswomen.

Also, whats hilarious is Im getting blasted for being a misogynist, while a topic about butts is on the same board lol.

It's some real head-ass shit to suggest that it's somehow the woman's fault if some dude sees her expressing her sexuality as an invitation to not respect her as a person lmao

Also why are you comparing PG13 twerking to literal porn

Closing this now.