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Smackems
08/27/22 3:19:48 PM
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I'm smurt

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 3:23:00 PM
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Would you mind a massive text dump in this topic elaborating on 100 Presidents?

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Smackems
08/27/22 3:24:17 PM
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I know that's a running gag with you but I have 0 idea about any of it, or if there even is an it to... Any.... Of.... Yeah

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 3:39:03 PM
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Smackems posted...
I know that's a running gag with you but I have 0 idea about any of it, or if there even is an it to... Any.... Of.... Yeah
you want to see the current state of the game? I'm just doing a write up on the basic foundation

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Alteres
08/27/22 3:45:50 PM
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Did they have any idea about cancer?

If not, what was their most common treatments for sick old people?

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 3:59:48 PM
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Alteres posted...
Did they have any idea about cancer?

If not, what was their most common treatments for sick old people?
probably leeches

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Verdekal
08/27/22 4:19:11 PM
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Reinvent Greek fire.

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Imit8m3
08/27/22 4:20:47 PM
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Lots of blood letting and trepanation i bet.

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TheMikh
08/27/22 4:20:53 PM
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misread at first as "Byzantine science and medicine and DNA" and wondered "how the hell did the byzantines discover DNA with medieval technology, is tc making this up"

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 4:21:31 PM
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tc skipped the byzantine erotica article entirely

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Smackems
08/27/22 4:46:35 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
you want to see the current state of the game? I'm just doing a write up on the basic foundation
Sure

Alteres posted...
Did they have any idea about cancer?

If not, what was their most common treatments for sick old people?
Oh I dunno, it was only like 4 paragraphs

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 4:50:53 PM
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warning incoming text

Country

"A country is a distinct part of the world, such as a state, nation, or other political entity. It may be a sovereign state or make up one part of a larger state." (Wikipedia - Country)

For our purposes the entire world constitutes a singular board; individual countries represent individual topics. The aim of the game is to accurately convey the status of specific topics as inhering in a substantial relationship to the country that stands in as a representation for the topic in question. Given that individual countries vary in nature, the premise is that topics should more or less correspond to belonging to a specific country. This is rendered somewhat difficult by the sheer multitude of events that make up a country's history, and to that end the correspondence metric need not be exhaustive, but there is a salience condition always at play. Assuming that the consequences of historical events do indeed exhibit cause and effect relations, the sense is that a topic that corresponds to a country may very well follow the same chain of consequences found in a country's history.

Head of State

"A head of state (or chief of state) is the public persona who officially embodies a state" in its unity and legitimacy. (Wikipedia - Head of state)

According to the game we are playing, every post in a topic corresponds to a head of state, determined by the topic's post number. For our ends we will always assume the head of state to be the executive head (head of government) of a country, which means the game excludes positions like religious leader or monarch, with the exception for these roles being when they double as an executive position. Generally, we are concerned with presidents or prime ministers. The topic record is bound to the most recent iteration of the constitution and the leaders at issue must be officially counted as being that country's specifically numbered leader (if you have a look at some lists of leaders, some are not assigned an official number for whatever reason- only numbered leaders of the most recent constitution are to be counted, on the grounds of intention and legitimacy).

Temporality

There is a represented passage of time in every topic. The idea is primarily that each posts expresses the length of time a leader has been in power. Keeping this in mind, when establishing a country or leader it is important to consider things like specific events that have yet to happen, or events that are in the past, etc. In principle it is possible to establish a topic as belonging to a certain country, and a continuation of that topic beyond the current incumbent's position amounts to projecting the topic into a future time in history. This can be useful for anticipating new technologies, speculating on developments that have yet to happen, whatever you can come up with. Be warned, any attempts at theorizing the future of a country are likely to be less functional since one cannot rely on established history. An extension of the game allows the user to project a topic such that it becomes a property of some artistic creation representing the future- since the topic limit is 500, and no country has had 500 presidents, there is a lot of room for the future.

Abstraction and Representation

The game would be utterly useless if there are no specific things for a topic to correspond to. This stage of the game requires some thought, and, in some way, we have to work on making a specific standard for what things fall under what. A country's history is replete with myriad events and things. Some countries are heavily invested in mining, others are militaristic, some authoritarian. The game depends on the idea that any element of a country can be represented in some meaningful way through posts alone. Examples can be misleading, but to using mining for one, a specific topic might require acquiring a significant number of materials. It stands to reason mining can be equivocated with the notion of "extracting resources from the subject at issue". So, if someone starts a topic about a new trailer, and the next poster provides information on the relevant staff, studio, etc., we might consider that an example of mining. We can extend this to the nature of the materials that had been extracted from the topic: is it something valuable, dangerous, etc. To play the game you must accept the idea that part of an essence of one thing can exist as a part of an essence for some other thing, while both objects remain separate. This is an intensive process which requires some degree of creativity, but it is not entirely impossible to accomplish.

The issue is complicated when you consider the essential simultaneity of a presidential term. Many different things can be considered as happening under the banner of a single post, so it can be difficult to really know what element of a term the post is meant to express. To solve this, posts should be appended with tags that denote what they are representing. We will use (e.g. +war +mining +navy) to denote the salient elements belonging to a specific post. To that end, the next post in the topic can choose to elaborate a specific tag or ignore it entirely. In effect, a continuation of a tag effectively subjects the topic to the continued development of that phenomenon in within the thread as it would apply to the country in question. A standardized model of what abstractions stand in for what representations should make the entire process much easier.

Interpretation
In the initial stages of a topic, it can be difficult to identify a specific country. Inspired by the disestablishment of colonial rule (representing the diminishing ambition of empire as it pertains to a certain topic- here you could think of empire as a belligerent object that seeks to expand its territory), someone might apply a decolonialized country to a topic about a game development studio that has broken off from its larger parent company. In effect the comparison between the topic's subject and the existential foundations of a country/constitution should be considered.

Another issue might be that there are effectively two possibilities for how people post. Someone might wait to make their post in a certain topic, such that it corresponds as best as possible to a specific leader, or otherwise simply wantonly with no regard to what leader occupies a specific position. This can be quite easily solved with a ()faith or ()elected tag appended to the post. The critical difference is that a post based on faith essentially depends on external interpretation to determine its qualities.

to be contd... pending more inspiration (I wasn't on drugs or psychotic when I wrote this).

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Smackems
08/27/22 4:53:00 PM
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I'm uh...

Gonna need something a bit more compact

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Imit8m3
08/27/22 4:56:45 PM
#14:


TF is that gibberish?

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silverpine
08/27/22 4:57:53 PM
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i hate world building and everyone who enjoys world building. just the phrase "world building" drives me mad. everyone who cares about world building doesn't care about anything that makes a game or story actually good
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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 4:59:33 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
TF is that gibberish?
I would argue the reading level is about grade 11 or 12, I'm so sorry

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Smackems
08/27/22 5:00:02 PM
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silverpine posted...
i hate world building and everyone who enjoys world building. just the phrase "world building" drives me mad. everyone who cares about world building doesn't care about anything that makes a game or story actually good
You have to do a little bit if you want your shit to make sense

Or just do like me and make it a foreign desolate world

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Imit8m3
08/27/22 5:06:04 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
I would argue the reading level is about grade 11 or 12, I'm so sorry
No, you used so much jargon that you lost me in the later paragraphs. And the former paragraphs are just ultimately pointless to read anywhay.

Wait is that the joke...

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Smackems
08/27/22 5:07:33 PM
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I'm gonna assume it's rules to a game you're making up. If so

Trim EVERYTHING you don't need out. You want it to be easy to digest, and the gameplay to be FAST

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 5:20:27 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
No, you used so much jargon that you lost me in the later paragraphs. And the former paragraphs are just ultimately pointless to read anywhay.

Wait is that the joke...
there isn't that much jargon. 'correspond' is technically jargon but it's also conventional. i guess from that perspective there is a lot of jargon but there is no shame in looking something up if you have an issue.

I don't like when someone posts an idea and people start playing literary critic rather than conceptual analyst.

Abstraction and Representation
  • basically just the idea that an object (any object, a mine, a battle) can have its properties abstracted (seen as separate from the object) and applied to a representation (an object that expresses the properties of the first object, but is only basically an approximation of the first object)
considering this one can collect posts as being representative of certain things. the idea is to determine, or establish from the outset, a specific state of affairs (way things are) and conclude that the topic at hand can be represented as a certain country

what else is unclear?

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Smackems
08/27/22 5:32:32 PM
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So is it a pen n paper game or

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Crimsoness
08/27/22 5:33:21 PM
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I always found the Byzantine empire interesting

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Smackems
08/27/22 5:34:45 PM
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Yeah it's good shit. Wish there was more left

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 6:10:07 PM
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Smackems posted...
So is it a pen n paper game or
It's a game you play on the board lol

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Imit8m3
08/27/22 6:14:24 PM
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It is the joke.

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Smackems
08/27/22 6:18:15 PM
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I see

Well if you want anyone to actually participate... Yeah gotta trim that down lol

I dm a lot of dnd and making shit fast and easy to digest are two of the BIGGEST things to keep people interest. Especially those more casually into it

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 7:01:03 PM
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Smackems posted...
Well if you want anyone to actually participate... Yeah gotta trim that down lol
anyone who needs less than two pages trimmed down is definitely not my demo lol

dnd has a shitton of rules and additional elements so if you want to master the game you're going to be doing a lot of reading. text based roleplay is literally all reading, which is my background, so i guess we have different sensibilities.

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Smackems
08/27/22 7:39:51 PM
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But that's the dm job. Except maybe some spell shit

Everyone else just needs to know the basics

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Alteres
08/27/22 7:42:30 PM
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this conversation is fascinating

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MedeaLysistrata
08/27/22 7:44:24 PM
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Smackems posted...
But that's the dm job. Except maybe some spell shit

Everyone else just needs to know the basics
True. Maybe I should make a bullet point list of rules. I do intend on making sure there is a simple ruleset, but I also want this to be something other people contribute to and make some of the rules on their own accord, because I am limited in what I will come up with and sometimes multiple standpoints can be a good idea. The issue is that there is also a philosophical element I want to explore in addition to the game... But it is more complicated and I might have to choose one path to focus on.

I mostly posted this with the hope someone would see the germ of the idea I am getting at and be interested.. Expecting people to buy into something here of all places is unlikely, but I need believers man...

REALLY think about it TC. If history is a chain of cause and effect, and you can successfully represent history in an automatic formal system, it shouldn't be a far cry to expect the truth of the historical system to be preserved in the representation. But that is way out of the realm of things I can adequately conceptualize/analyze for the time being... hence the going back to school lol.

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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 12:11:11 AM
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Imit8m3 posted...
And the former paragraphs are just ultimately pointless to read anywhay.
Not at all... But I needed other people to point that out. Unfortunately you have to catalogue all of the countries and leaders and establish a profile for how they fit into the interpretation.

The numbers don't mean anything. But every number does have a content assigned to it that implies a cause and effect relationship.

Principally you can have topics like "Kevin Hart opens plant based restaurant" which another user responds to by creating their own topic. So the initial topic chronicling the actual event, and then the new topic abstracting and representing the first topic -title-, with their own topic that functions as the idea of Kevin Hart opening a restaurant. The first topic becomes a document of how all the other representations of the event are going.

My thesis is functionally that if you apply this to history, you can distil the political nature of any topic.

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Smackems
08/28/22 12:13:12 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
True. Maybe I should make a bullet point list of rules. I do intend on making sure there is a simple ruleset, but I also want this to be something other people contribute to and make some of the rules on their own accord, because I am limited in what I will come up with and sometimes multiple standpoints can be a good idea. The issue is that there is also a philosophical element I want to explore in addition to the game... But it is more complicated and I might have to choose one path to focus on.

I mostly posted this with the hope someone would see the germ of the idea I am getting at and be interested.. Expecting people to buy into something here of all places is unlikely, but I need believers man...

REALLY think about it TC. If history is a chain of cause and effect, and you can successfully represent history in an automatic formal system, it shouldn't be a far cry to expect the truth of the historical system to be preserved in the representation. But that is way out of the realm of things I can adequately conceptualize/analyze for the time being... hence the going back to school lol.
It's not my cup o tea tbh but yeah try to focus on one thingy till you get that down

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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 12:34:15 PM
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Smackems posted...
It's not my cup o tea tbh but yeah try to focus on one thingy till you get that down
yeah i will. my biggest worry is that it's all wrong and has no truth to it. thank you for letting me post my crazy shit in your topic. when I woke up today I realized it's probably just all delusion...

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