Poll of the Day > I'm at (probably) the end of the FF7 remake

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Lokarin
08/21/22 2:59:26 AM
#1:


First off, as a remastering the game is excellent in pretty much every way possible; 10/10, would re again. Every single boss fight is improved and excellent.

However, if you close your eyes for a second and pretend this is a standalone game and not a remake, a lot of the plot doesn't make sense since a large chunk of the game's subtext is missing and takes that the player played the original for granted...

Thirdly, while i'm sure this is set up in the sequel (or INTERmission)... nothing about the ghosty goos has mattered in any way and doesn't make any sense when it really could have... at no point do you or the characters use some sort of meta-knowledge of the future to warrant the Desinty Dinks from existing in this game even as a concept.

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hera
08/21/22 7:35:42 AM
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they don't have to

it's aerith and sephiroth causing them

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darkknight109
08/21/22 3:21:08 PM
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I found FF7R to be exceedingly average. The combat engine was clunky (it would have worked fine for a game focused on a single character, but the fact you need to be constantly switching between characters and/or giving them orders for what to do and what spells to cast if you want your teammates to do anything more than chip damage is a major nuisance and basically leaves the player micromanaging too many things so they don't get a chance to actually, y'know, focus on and enjoy the fighting) and the pacing of the plot was awful (big surprise when you took what used to be maybe 10 hours of plot and stretch it out to be at least 4x as long).

It also did this weird thing where it kept bringing up plot tangents, then never delivering the payout. For instance, partway through the game you wind up turning off a bunch of sun-lamps for the undercity in order to open some doors (which was itself a major "WTF" moment for several reasons) - Tifa says it will cause suffering and misery for those below, while Barret says it's justified for the greater good. I figured eventually the game would expound upon this and we'd eventually see the consequences of what had happened - maybe hear from someone in the slums about how it affected them or see some news report on it or something... but no, the game just never bothers to return to that original plot point and not a single person ever brings it up again.

Then there's the characters. The game is just terrible at managing any characters who aren't in the main party. In the original FF7, Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge are basically named extras who exist to add some extra emotional impact to the Sector 7 disaster. In the Remake, they're turned into extra characters that you spend double-digit hours hanging out with, but the game still doesn't bother to actually give them any decent characterization. Biggs is "cool guy who helps out at an orphanage", Wedge is "fat, emotionally sensitive guy that everyone makes fun of who really likes cats", and Jesse is "girl who desperately wants Cloud's buster sword in her materia slot". And that's it, that's literally their entire characterization. If you're going to spend that much time with these characters, at least make them into something with some actual substance. They don't even have any real relationships with other characters - we get no sense of what they think of each other, of Barret's leadership, so on and so forth. The game also introduces this string of characters that it kinda sorta seems to want to treat as important, despite not giving us much of a reason to care about them. That weird biker SOLDIER who shows up twice then never again, Don Corneo's bodyguard that has a backstory now for some reason, the thief-girl (not to be confused with the *other* thief-girl that's been a major fixture in FF7 since the original released), so on and so forth.

The game just feels like it lacked any sense of narrative cohesion.

The game wasn't completely awful - the visuals were stunning, the ambience was fantastic, the soundtrack was amazing, and when the game actually pulled its head out of its ass and got out of its own way, you can see there is the core of a decent game somewhere underneath all the bloat. But as a successor to one of the most acclaimed games of all time, it falls well short of the mark.

Dunkey gave a really good review on the game just after it released (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qlf3b9wa4s) and I agree with him on just about everything he mentioned.

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Straughan
08/21/22 3:22:12 PM
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They did a good job didn't they?

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Lokarin
08/21/22 3:35:14 PM
#5:


darkknight109 posted...

The game just feels like it lacked any sense of narrative cohesion.

The sun lamps thing was resolved, Barret wasn't just saying it's justified - but that they're gunna go out when they blow the reactor anyways so there's no problem manually disabling them.

I had the opposite opinion of the side characters - I like that the extras got so much more air time and personality, especially Heidegger. But they don't need additional relations because Cloud don't care

But you're right about narrative cohesion. Even if the ghosties didn't exist, they removed too much world building that helped contextualized the plot... but that only applies to a standalone, if you are playing under the assumption you already played FF7 then they cut out a lot of unneeded redundant worldbuilding, making up for it which amazing vistas and mostly better vignettes (I think some of the OG vignettes might be better).

But when you throw the ghosties in... ya, they are all throughout the game and don't affect the PLOT until the last 15 minutes of the game

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hera
08/21/22 4:16:24 PM
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the phantoms only showed up when someone tried to deviate from the plot of the original game

that's not a coincidence, the current theory is that sephiroth managed to escape through the life stream to an alternate world and is trying to move everything along so he can somehow ressurect. in advent children we know that he already has the ability to summon and control the phantoms

but the aerith in that world is being helped by the original aerith, by giving her information she otherwise should not have, to stop sephiroth once and for all. hence her making implications about clouds future, and that she knew who marlene was before she ever met her or was told about her.


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Lokarin
08/21/22 4:20:28 PM
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> the phantoms only showed up when someone tried to deviate from the plot of the original game

This 'would' make sense if I ever noticed it... but their presence seems mostly random with the exception of the final chapter

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hera
08/21/22 4:44:41 PM
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nope, pay real good attention to when they show up

cloud and company only see them after they are tou he'd by aerith, but she says she's been able to see them for a long time. this is sephiroth already trying to stop og aerith from intervening as much

the second time they show up is when bugs wedge and Jesse were planning to go to the 2nd reactor, with barret since barret refused to hire cloud again. the phantoms fucked them up, they did not get to go, barret hired cloud again

third time is in the church, when cloud is about to kill Reno, they stop him

then again on the plate support when Biggs almost survived, they pushed him off (which, he did end up surviving)

ect.

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Lokarin
08/21/22 4:46:32 PM
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hera posted...
nope, pay real good attention to when they show up

cloud and company only see them after they are tou he'd by aerith, but she says she's been able to see them for a long time. this is sephiroth already trying to stop og aerith from intervening as much

the second time they show up is when bugs wedge and Jesse were planning to go to the 2nd reactor, with barret since barret refused to hire cloud again. the phantoms fucked them up, they did not get to go, barret hired cloud again

third time is in the church, when cloud is about to kill Reno, they stop him

then again on the plate support when Biggs almost survived, they pushed him off (which, he did end up surviving)

ect.

mmm, ok, the 2nd one I guess would make more sense if I remembered that

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TheFalseDeity
08/22/22 3:08:07 AM
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Yeah was not a fan of the whispers myself. Just a waste of time that also dragged down the story at times.

Some story changes were alright others not so much. Did overall like the additional screentime for side characters though. Is a shame the President and Heidegger were still just cartoon villains though.

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SpeedDemon20
08/22/22 4:54:45 AM
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I think the gameplay is fun. Wish we had more materia options though. Sucks we only get one magnify/all. I generally keep it on Aerith, but when she's not in the party, it's shuffle-city rearranging everyone's materials.

I really like the weapon upgrade system. Seems kinda tame right now with boring upgrades. Hoping for more unique ones in the future. I like that none of your weapons become useless, unlike in old JRPGs where the next area will have better weapons.

As for combat, Tifa is probably the most fun to play; she's so fast compared to everyone else. She feels so good compared to everyone else.

Cloud is fun too, but I mostly enjoy punisher mode counter and counterstance.

Aerith is amazing for clearing mobs, but not as fun on hard mode when you have to conserve MP. I made it to an end-chapter boss with no MP. I had to cheese it by putting up a shield and soul draining until I was full (one of those bosses where you need to rotate magic spells a lot to build pressure). Her basic combo sucks though.

Barret is boring. Just hold attack and then charge until overcharge is full. Lifesaver and steelskin are great buffs, but it's just so you can play the other two characters for longer. idk maybe I should be doing melee Barret or something. He just doesn't feel fun.

Overall, I enjoy the game. The dementors and Sephiroth stuff was dumb though.

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Lokarin
08/22/22 8:12:46 AM
#12:


ya, the boss fights are FANTASTIC

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fettster777
08/23/22 3:11:18 PM
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Scarlett is the best part of the remake.
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Straughan
08/23/22 3:32:11 PM
#14:


fettster777 posted...
Scarlett is the best part of the remake.

She's probably close to what a remake Quistis Trepe would look like.
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Lokarin
08/25/22 5:29:09 AM
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ok, so Yuffie is the best thing ever

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Lokarin
08/25/22 9:54:49 PM
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the achievement cleanup is terrible tho and does one of my hated gaming sins... you have to beat Chapter 9 4 times

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Metalsonic66
08/25/22 9:56:33 PM
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The combat is some of the best in the series

The soundtrack is above and beyond

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Straughan
08/25/22 10:42:47 PM
#18:


Lokarin posted...
the achievement cleanup is terrible tho and does one of my hated gaming sins... you have to beat Chapter 9 4 times

Yeah, I loved it and did t get the plat some there was some reason I didn't. I'll probably go back and get it somehow. Must've been a game I wanted to play right after and didn't have the heart to go through the remake again and again.

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Lokarin
08/25/22 11:03:49 PM
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And Barret's later game line deliveries are really good

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MechaKirby
08/25/22 11:24:20 PM
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Yeah the achievement cleanup was a little annoying, but I just stuck to Normal and turned off dialog and voices, and speedblitzed it. I saved the final Ch.9 run for Hard Mode at a much later time for the yearso that some of the game was out of my mind

Did you like the enemy variety?

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Straughan
08/25/22 11:32:09 PM
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MechaKirby posted...
Did you like the enemy variety?

It was just excellent all around. Can you imagine if all games were made with that level of quality. Holy shit.

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Lokarin
08/26/22 12:12:19 AM
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i heard some people say the enemy variety is too low for regular enemies, but personally there was just the right amount since there wasn't much overlap between enemy skillsets

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DirtBasedSoap
08/26/22 12:15:14 AM
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Ive tried to play it multiple times and thought it was boring tbh

i just really dont like anime stuff. Ive tried to like it and its almost always so fuckin corny and cringe

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Lokarin
08/26/22 12:21:32 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
so f***in corny and cringe

I love it ,just like MGS: Twin Snakes

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BigOlePappy
08/26/22 3:12:57 AM
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Why didn't they make a full game?

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Straughan
08/26/22 3:35:37 AM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Why didn't they make a full game?

Too big/long of a project without profit. They can get better investment prospects if they show promise too.

I'd rather them make it all at once, but oh well. I mean, I'd have played 2D direct sequels to FF6 for the rest of my life no problem.

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Lokarin
08/26/22 3:44:36 AM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Why didn't they make a full game?

I just watched the speedrun of FF7 (og) which was beaten just under 7 hours (or just under 8 hours, I don't remember)... and Midgar is legitimately 1/3 of the run, not quite a half though, maybe like 3/7ths

Once you leave Midgar; Kalm is skipped, zolom is skipped, then you do Goldsaucer+Corel, then Cosmo Canyon is skipped with frame manipulation (saving like an hour), then you're already in Rocket Town and then temple of the ancients and such...

the last third of the speedrun is just doing master materia quests and failing them as fast as possible (except the corel train which is faster to win) and cutscenes.

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Lokarin
08/26/22 6:38:13 AM
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there, got my 100%

I think hard mode Nero going in with 0 MP was the hardest fight, other than that probably either bahamut since I never really figured out the pressure mechanics for all the monsters

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jiffdiff
08/26/22 1:03:47 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
The game just feels like it lacked any sense of narrative cohesion.
Sounds like the game it was remaking. I guess it was faithful.
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DirtBasedSoap
08/26/22 1:41:42 PM
#30:


Lokarin posted...
I love it ,just like MGS: Twin Snakes
but i love MGS (never played Twin Snakes lol)

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SpeedDemon20
08/29/22 3:26:32 AM
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I just got all the resolution scenes. Now I just need to get the manuscripts for Barret (which coincides with all the hard chapters remaining). The monsters I am missing is the "hit-em-when-his-tail-is-up... and you will get lasered" boss and the extra one from playing Yuffie's DLC. I need to do the Yuffie DLC too.
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