Current Events > Remember when republicans convinced you that Trump won because of working class

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ideals?

Keep that in mind. Republicans are very good at running propaganda, and it doesn't always just stay on one side of the aisle. Right now, there's "criminals are overrunning our cities!" that seems pretty successful in reaching across the aisle.

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Ok

Anyways, check out this frog

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Naysaspace posted...

Oh

Ok

Anyways, check out this frog

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I don't really understand how these frogs work. Are their tongues venomous or something? Or are they poison to eat?

The shit they eat is poison and in turn they excrete the poisons through their skin

Naysaspace posted...

The shit they eat is poison and in turn they excrete the poisons through their skin

Well played

He didn't win the popular vote, so he didn't "win" anyway.

No, he won because Hillary sucked and Republicans have the advantage in the electoral college.

So was some guy on Cracked:
https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

Hoodroar posted...

No, he won because Hillary sucked and Republicans have the advantage in the electoral college.

This.

He lost the popular vote but that election was one with one of the lowest percentage of voter turnout in history. Republicans convinced Democrat supporters to stay home and because of that Trump was able to get an EC victory.

Hoodroar posted...

No, he won because Hillary sucked and Republicans have the advantage in the electoral college.

There was a lot more to it than that. For instance, having the FBI do their first search for emails (because of course there had to be many more when they could never find anything particularly damning) a week before the election could be argued as far bigger than anything to do with the electoral college.

Is this when we pretend like the dominant narrative for like a year after the election wasn't "rust belt revolution" and "working class standing up against the elites"?

TC is right, Drain the swamp was Trumps line at first.

But that turned out to be total BS

I remember them trying and me laughing in their face.

I cant speak for anyone else, but they never convinced me of any such thing.

ellis123 posted...

There was a lot more to it than that. For instance, having the FBI do their first search for emails (because of course there had to be many more when they could never find anything particularly damning) a week before the election could be argued as far bigger than anything to do with the electoral college.

That's covered in "Hillary sucked". No other Democrat had emails to investigate, it's a her problem.

Yep, they and along with libertarians like Alex Jones were trying to shove down the message that because Trump was so rich that he couldn't be bought by the establishment. This was massively proven false throughout the world when Trump simped for Saudi Arabia regarding the Khashoggi murder. You know, when Saudi Arabia said that they accidentally hack sawed Khashoggi into pieces.

mustachedmystic posted...

I cant speak for anyone else, but they never convinced me of any such thing.

Well you certainly would have been in the minority then.

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Hoodroar posted...

No, he won because Hillary sucked and Republicans have the advantage in the electoral college.

Hillary was a decent candidate compared to Sanders, Sanders supporters were so assblasted by Clinton beating their guy they refused to support the nominee which is one of the reasons she lost.

COVxy posted...

Is this when we pretend like the dominant narrative for like a year after the election wasn't "rust belt revolution" and "working class standing up against the elites"?

That is why a candidate like Bernie needs to win the nom

WingsOfGood posted...

That is why a candidate like Bernie needs to win the nom

Lol, whoops. You should pay more attention.

WingsOfGood posted...

That is why a candidate like Bernie needs to win the nom

lmao, Sanders would have lost.

VitalGetPrank posted...

lmao, Sanders would have lost.

Your opinion is bad

And Hilary lost so...

COVxy posted...

Lol, whoops. You should pay more attention.

The dem strategy atm is to donate to far right candidates and prop them up with the idea they will win by default because they don't want to run popular socialist programs like Bernie ran on

WingsOfGood posted...

Your opinion is bad

Alright, let's give Sanders the absolute best case scenario where he keeps all the states Clinton won in the general and add in the states where Sanders' primary margins were bigger than Trump's margin of victory in the general. We end up with a map like this: https://www.270towin.com/maps/LyBEP What other states could he possibly flip?

WingsOfGood posted...

And Hilary lost so...

It only took a foreign country conspiring against her, the FBI announcing an investigation last second and Sandernistas throwing a hissy fit to barely beat her, clearly a shit candidate. Now what does that say about Sanders who lost to such a shit candidate?

WingsOfGood posted...

The dem strategy atm is to donate to far right candidates and prop them up with the idea they will win by default because they don't want to run popular socialist programs like Bernie ran on

While that strategy is shitty, it has nothing to do with this topic. The whole point is that nobody believes the rust belt revolution narrative anymore. It's clear that "economic distress" is not the primary motivator of Trump's core base. However, it was something that the left ate up as it was pushed, particularly hard by republicans.

But that was a particularly clever move, because it ties into leftist ideals, making it easy to believe. It doesn't even need to be clever though! People on the left bought into the idea that CNN was fake news simply because Trump repeated it a bunch of times. This has been the strategy re: crime. Blast every violent event that happens in a city across the airwaves until people have the impression that liberal cities are Purge like hellscapes.

Anyway, just important to be aware of patterns of stories that come out, even if you are on the left and think you are less at risk of buying into right-wing bullshit.

Naysaspace posted...

The shit they eat is poison and in turn they excrete the poisons through their skin

So republicans..

Naysaspace posted...

The shit they eat is poison and in turn they excrete the poisons through their skin

But enough about Republicans, let's talk about the frog in question.

COVxy posted...

While that strategy is shitty, it has nothing to do with this topic. The whole point is that nobody believes the rust belt revolution narrative anymore. It's clear that "economic distress" is not the primary motivator of Trump's core base. However, it was something that the left ate up as it was pushed, particularly hard by republicans.

But that was a particularly clever move, because it ties into leftist ideals, making it easy to believe. It doesn't even need to be clever though! People on the left bought into the idea that CNN was fake news simply because Trump repeated it a bunch of times. This has been the strategy re: crime. Blast every violent event that happens in a city across the airwaves until people have the impression that liberal cities are Purge like hellscapes.

Anyway, just important to be aware of patterns of stories that come out, even if you are on the left and think you are less at risk of buying into right-wing bullshit.

It does because socialist policies are pro worker standard dem policies are not.

That is why they prop up far right candidates.

You are missing the point.

COVxy posted...

You are missing the point.

He just got demolished by my last post and is desperate to use anything as a distraction.

VitalGetPrank posted...

He just got demolished by my last post and is desperate to use anything as a distraction.

You, too, are not contributing productively to this topic lol

VitalGetPrank posted...

Hillary was a decent candidate compared to Sanders,

Bernie somehow polled better against the Republicans than she did, despite carrying the penalties of being an independent socialist. Obviously Hillary did better in the primary but her merit expires past that.

VitalGetPrank posted...

Sanders supporters were so assblasted by Clinton beating their guy they refused to support the nominee which is one of the reasons she lost.

Well Bernie or Busters largely voted for Obama just fine, so again that comes down to Hillary's lackings as a candidate.

Hoodroar posted...

Bernie somehow polled better against the Republicans than she did, despite carrying the penalties of being an independent socialist. Obviously Hillary did better in the primary but her merit expires past that.

He never made it far enough for Republicans to use the attack ads on, had he won the primary it would have been open season on him and his little rape essay.

Hoodroar posted...

Well Bernie or Busters largely voted for Obama just fine, so again that comes down to Hillary's lackings as a candidate.

Could be multiple reasons for that, could be sexism or it could be that Obama never beat their messiah directly so they had no ill will towards him.

The email probe was announced the Friday before the election, with 0 information.

The news cycle was DOMINATED by Clinton scandal because of this. Even if nothing came of it, the damage was done.

Unfortunately for Republicans, the dems took notes and are running the same play this year. It's a combination of Watergate tactics (run the damn hearings, and run em , and run em and run em and run em until everyone, eventually, after a year, does start to get the picture) as well as announcing big news right before the election (the tactic used against Clinton in 2016).

Dont expect trump to be charged until november. they wont run the chance of him dominating the narrative. hit em hard, quickly, on a Friday before the election so that it saturates the news cycle for a solid 72 hours.

remember robot said so!

ill go one step further and predict that Trump will be formally charged on November 4th.

Well think about it, Republicans depend on food stamps, welfare, social security the most, even in their states they need the most farm subsidies, I have nothing against that but they continuously vote against their own interests.

It usually stems from this; they want all of that stuff but only white people only white people can get benefits if they need everyone else doesn't belong in America and that's essentially the MAGA banner.

Robot2600 posted...

Unfortunately for Republicans, the dems took notes and are running the same play this year.

Unfortunately for democrats, "look how they massacred my boy!" actually works for republicans.

JD Vance with Hillbilly Elegy was the face of that notion, and yeah, he's not doing so well in 2022 (for an Ohio GOP candidate).

Now with the Cities On Fire narrative there are a couple more troubling dynamics. Sinclair's market share has afaik expanded, and stories like those get ratings, so all local news, a vital but struggling business, has to play along. It's a good reason to get your local news from public radio.

Well Robot, you are pretty much tying in to what the topic is actually about now, in a way. That "tactic" won't work for Dems because they suck at narrative and messaging first of all. But also because the Democrats will fall for Republican/Right talking points hook line and sinker. But Republicans will not play the Democrats game.

Like TC said, the Republicans convinced people that Trump won because of the working class, and you saw SO MANY people on the left eat that line up. How "out of touch" the Dems are. How they "ignore the rust belt". "Coastal Elites" lost to the "Real America". Dems ate exactly what Republicans fed them. The reverse isn't going to happen.

The Republicans are going to push back HARD on any narrative that Trump did anything wrong. They will uniformly push the agenda that the Democrats are illegally attacking them because of a desire to win politically, and they'll convince enough people to believe it.

"tHiS iS wHy TrUmP wOn!"

I don't really think it's fair to blame republicans for the email investigation thing. IIRC it was part of an investigation into Anthony Weiner sexting a 15 year old girl.

ColdRainAndSnow posted...

Well think about it, Republicans depend on food stamps, welfare, social security the most, even in their states they need the most farm subsidies, I have nothing against that but they continuously vote against their own interests.

It usually stems from this; they want all of that stuff but only white people only white people can get benefits if they need everyone else doesn't belong in America and that's essentially the MAGA banner.

it's white, cis, het, christian. more than anything they want to be able to be racist, sexist, transphobic, biphobic, and homophobic, casually, all the time, and they want no one to be able to call them out on their bullshit without being silenced.

I stopped reading the cracked article here:

Madness. Their heads are so far up their asses that they can't tell up from down. Basic, obvious truths that have gone unquestioned for thousands of years now get laughed at and shouted down -- the fact that hard work is better than dependence on government, that children do better with both parents in the picture, that peace is better than rioting, that a strict moral code is better than blithe hedonism, that humans tend to value things they've earned more than what they get for free, that not getting exploded by a bomb is better than getting exploded by a bomb.

that children do better with both parents in the picture,
-not true. divorced parents are better than an abusive relationship parents.

that peace is better than rioting
-if it's a protest, that is better than peace. this argument would be used against the civil rights marches, for example. "You might be right, but do you have to make such a big deal about it?"

that a strict moral code is better than blithe hedonism
-I am absolutely a hedonist. you (or anyone else) has no proof that anything besides hedonism exists. our pets are hedonists, yet we know they are "good" "sweat" and "kind" on the inside.

that humans tend to value things they've earned more than what they get for free
-fuck that i want FREE MONEY. free. money.

that not getting exploded by a bomb is better than getting exploded by a bomb.
ok ok this point is valid it's just ironic b/c being exploded and vaporized, from any source, is probably one of the best ways to go tbqh.

anyway I couldnt keep reading after that. the author makes astute observations, but they are just blaming city dwellers and not looking at it from the perspective of the cities at all.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I don't really think it's fair to blame republicans for the email investigation thing. IIRC it was part of an investigation into Anthony Weiner sexting a 15 year old girl.

you werent watching fox news that friday. I was because i was at the gym watching CNN and FOX simultaneously.

you guys are so focused on the past; this administration is not hillary clinton, and when biden won that also triggers changes within the DNC strategies (essentially they listen to Biden's team's strategy now instead of Clinton's).

maybe clinton's team was kind of stupid, but this one is not. they are clever and focused. they are adaptable. this year has been a totally different animal. Jen Psaki left, they changed a lot of people when their shit wasn't working last year.

it's working now.

so to say "the dems can't play ball" is to miss the big picture.

dt under investigation by multiple agencies in multiple states, all while the white house gets to show off it's clean hands. they've got ppl appointed by dt, in one way or another, doing their work for them.

3.9 billion in student loan debt was cancelled.
infrastructure package. made it happen.

those were concrete promises and those are deliveries.

all we need now is the economy to be doing good before the election. gas is dropping. it will continue to drop into the winter.

the fed controls vast quantities of, among other things, crypto. we know the crypto "crash" was largely the work of the fed reserve dumping large amounts of crypto. they can simply leverage that heading into november to create a mini stock market boom. but the boom isnt necessary, just the GOOD VIBES that come along with BTC going up to 50k or whatever.

granted these crypto finance conspiracy theories are starting to get pretty out there.

but we'll see come november. if someone (anyone else) can remember something that long.

in my experience I say something like this and then on November 5th it's just common knowledge :P everyone will be saying "wowie those dems are on a roll" and w/e else. as if they thought so right now. right now, everyone thinks the dems are still shitting the bed but i see cold steel.

And TC is speaking from experience. Their propaganda is making him spend all of his free time whining about the left.

Krojen posted...

And TC is speaking from experience. Their propaganda is making him spend all of his free time whining about the left.

Definitely. Checks out.

COVxy posted...

You are missing the point.

Incorrect.

Repub propaganda only works when the dems skirt the line of not offering much more than "I am not a far right right extremist."

Joe for example wasn't even gonna try to cancel student loans though he sorta platformed he might.
Then he got backlash for it from the progressive MAJORITY.

Why is this?

It is because that side of the party is about just being the status quo with a kinda sorta progressive policy once in a blue moon.

So when the propaganda shouts "they don't care about you! What they gonna do to positively effect you life?"

It actually has an air of truth to it. Not that the repubs will either but unlike say Bernie who would do x y z and on and on, it is hard to answer....

But at least they aren't Trump

Robot2600 posted...

you guys are so focused on the past; this administration is not hillary clinton, and when biden won that also triggers changes within the DNC strategies (essentially they listen to Biden's team's strategy now instead of Clinton's).

maybe clinton's team was kind of stupid, but this one is not. they are clever and focused. they are adaptable. this year has been a totally different animal. Jen Psaki left, they changed a lot of people when their s*** wasn't working last year.

Hope you are correct but it is scary when you see that Hilary's tactic of propping up the far right nutjob is still being done and by that I mean they literally funding their opponents who are far right nutjobs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/democrat-ad-spending-republican-trump/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqgP9Ft_1CY

This is very dangerous because if it backfires like it did for Hilary we have literal fascism. We didn't quite get there with Trump, but we won't get a second chance if we let that happen again.