Current Events > How confident are you in being a "self-made" person?

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Conservatives seem to think that a person's destiny is largely self-made, and that if you have problems, you just need to "figure them out". If you were fired from your job and suddenly forced to try and make ends meet as your savings started running out, how confident are you that you'd be able to climb out of the pit? Statistics state that a large part of the homeless population are saddled with mental illness. Part of me wonders how many started off that way.

While personal effort is doubtless important, I think we need much stronger social programs and safety nets because a chunk of how life turns out for us just isn't always going to be great.

i think the protestant values of america can fuck off

Not at all, my parents helped a lot

none.

All Mental Health disorders, are genetic in basis, it's just we're very backwards in treating them.
You don't ask someone with a broken arm to try and move their arm slowly, and get used to the pain with painkillers.
There may be nothing to do and the arm may naturally heal with just rest and in a sling, but more complex breaks require surgery and re-alignment.

https://www.oxfordhealth.nhs.uk/news/new-piece-in-the-puzzle-linking-genes-and-mental-illness/

personal effort is not important at all. no one is self-made

averagejoel posted...

personal effort is not important at all.

lmao

I wonder if poor Republicans who supports Trump thinks this way.

100% confident

I'm pretty good at destroying my life.

100%
I built myself in a lab from the parts of lesser CEmen

From the Terminator himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF7NqeZuO3E

averagejoel posted...

no one is self-made

very true

personal effort is not important at all.

fuck you on about

Guide posted...

fuck you on about

personal effort is largely independent from how well a person does in society

Most of your life depends on how people respond to you

Bullshitting is a psychological concept for speaking with no regard for telling the truth, but it doesn't necessary mean intentionally lying (less relevant)

I'll objectively never be able to be independent, much less "self-made" and successful.

averagejoel posted...

personal effort is largely independent from how well a person does in society

That's not the same as it being unimportant.

0%. There's no such thing as a self made person anyway.

Guide posted...

That's not the same as it being unimportant.

it's unimportant specifically for predicting how well someone does in society. I was responding to the second paragraph of the first post

That wasn't specifying hard work as a predictor, either.

averagejoel posted...

personal effort is largely independent from how well a person does in society

Are you always this wrong

averagejoel posted...

personal effort is largely independent from how well a person does in society

Sounds like the creed of a lazy mf who wants everything handed out to them.

Guide posted...

That wasn't specifying hard work as a predictor, either.

how else am I supposed to interpret "personal effort"? it certainly isn't "doubtless" that it's very important. I find it kinda surprising that you take this point of view while simultaneously recognizing that no one is actually self-made

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People tend to have similar intelligences under similar circumstances

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there are so many external factors at play that "your own merits" have very little to do with the results you yield

This thread got entertaining now

-BrokenSpiral- posted...

Sounds like the creed of a lazy mf who wants everything handed out to them.

I think it's more the creed of someone who doesn't like holding themselves accountable.

"Yeah, I didn't put any effort into school, shit out my resume in two seconds, and just sit on my ass all day, but it's capitalism's fault I failed!"

The thing is a lot of these guys weren't even born into particularly bad situations. Usually middle class growing up in the suburbs with plenty of opportunities to do well for themselves.