Current Events > US gun ownership is crazy, but is "no guns" right?

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I think owning a small gun for self defense to keep in your home is fine, assuming you're responsible.

Ya'll need to give up on this gun free fantasy. It will never happen in the U.S.

Even restricting it down to a single home defense weapon will never happen.

No one, I repeat, no one, is a firearm

Basically no one of note is advocating for a total gun ban. Even 2020 ORourke didnt call for a complete ban.

I'd say automatic weapons should be bannned because they are the most commonly used in mass murders. But handguns and rifles are fine.

I don't know we could look at what other countries like Canada and literally the entirety of Europe do

But just like healthcare we will continue to do nothing because profit over everything

K181 posted...

Basically no one of note is advocating for a total gun ban. Even 2020 ORourke didnt call for a complete ban.

I know this might sound insane and crazy, crazy hard, but let's keep this hypothetical and not just about the US.

Shouldn't guns be free if they are a natural right?
Gun Stores are really taking advantage of this.

I'm not gonna fault Hospitals for the lack of universal health care.
That can't be a normal civil right...we weren't taught that?

~Asking for a friend.

DarthAragorn posted...

I don't know we could look at what other countries like Canada and literally the entirety of Europe do

But just like healthcare we will continue to do nothing because profit over everything

Canada has infinitely better gun laws than the us but also than the uk where its damn near impossible to even own one unless you're in agriculture or something.

Full automatics and pistols are incredibly hard to get in Canada and require a ton of extra restrictions. But as far as more target or hunting oriented rifles its not hard to get guns here. Take a one day course and then have a background check.

Pistols you can't even take anywhere except point a to point b and back from your house to the approved range. And you have to call and tell the cops you're doing it and when you'll leave mad be back to make it 100% legal. And that's fine tbh.

Actually I lied pistols come with a ton of extra restrictions bit they aren't that hard to get.

Zero guns is better than some guns, yes

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I'd say automatic weapons should be bannned because they are the most commonly used in mass murders.

No they arent

This idea that events happen all the time where youd need a gun to defend yourself is American fantasy.

If anyone is advocating for a blanket ban on guns they come from a world of privilege.

Smackems posted...

No one, I repeat, no one, is a firearm

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/6/0/AAdlC_AADfy0.jpg

China has alright laws for guns IMO.

Pistols for home defense only.

No carry in city allowed at all.

Long guns for hunting.

They got like 1/4th the gun violence rate that we do.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Zero guns is better than some guns, yes

Why?

Lairen posted...

This idea that events happen all the time where youd need a gun to defend yourself is American fantasy.

I guess you believe insurance is a scam too?

I think a better idea than banning guns would be to mandate gun ownership.

The way things are going, we are going to end up with shotguns and revolvers.

Tote_All_ posted...

Why?

I guess you believe insurance is a scam too?

Insurance is a scam

But more in its function than its concept

Tyranthraxus posted...

China has alright laws for guns IMO.

Pistols for home defense only.

No carry in city allowed at all.

Long guns for hunting.

They got like 1/4th the gun violence rate that we do.

The difference is that America is the only first world country to actively have a gun loving/worshipping culture. I mean we all seen it for ourselves, if little kids getting gunned down isn't enough to even implement a common sense gun control laws, nothing will.

DarthAragorn posted...

Insurance is a scam

But more in its function than its concept

Do elaborate.

Tote_All_ posted...

Do elaborate.

Being for profit is the main issue but also coverage generally being garbage

Nah, "no guns" isn't right. You should be able to have a gun, provided you can pass background and mental health checks, as well as maintain a license for one. We require licenses to drive cars, and those things aren't even meant to kill things, so needing a license for a gun makes even more sense.

Now, this gun-worshipping, psychopathic fetish some people have? That's wrong.

Slaya4 posted...

If anyone is advocating for a blanket ban on guns they come from a world of privilege.

That world is called first world countries that aren't the USA.

It's gonna get crazy when we get augmented and dudes out here blowing people away with megaman hand cannons over not getting his cheeseburger fast enough.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I'd say automatic weapons should be bannned because they are the most commonly used in mass murders. But handguns and rifles are fine.

We're going to need a source on this one, buddy.

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I'd say automatic weapons should be bannned

Automatic weapons have been functionally banned since 1986.

Tote_All_ posted...

Why?

Because there is no reason to need a gun if no one else has one

I spent the past 7 years in Japan and Korea and you know what one of the nicest things was? I felt safe literally everywhere. I could be going down the smallest, darkest, shadiest alley in Korea in the dead of night holding a bundle of cash in my outstretched hand and I knew there was a 99% chance of me being fine and you cant beat that kind of secure feeling.

Part of that was that was culture. Part of it was the fact that 90% of the peninsula is covered with CCTV. However, A LOT of it was due to the knowledge that hardly anyone owns a firearm and that, therefore, it would be very difficult to attack me without my being able to escape.

Ive never been interested in guns, so all they are to me is a negation of the peace of mind described above. So, long story short, yes, no guns is right for me.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Because there is no reason to need a gun if no one else has one

This is a very, very naive mindset.

Tote_All_ posted...

This is a very, very naive mindset.

Why?

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Why?

Because it's literally impossible to remove guns at this point.

Tote_All_ posted...

Because it's literally impossible to remove guns at this point.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't be better off. I think you misunderstood me when I said "no guns would be better".

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't be better off. I think you misunderstood me when I said "no guns would be better".

Well yeah I guess I didn't interpret it as "wave a magic wand and make all guns disappear from the entire planet forever".

Tote_All_ posted...

Well yeah I guess I didn't interpret it as "wave a magic wand and make all guns disappear from the entire planet forever".

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/6/AAWjk4AADf14.jpg

So we're back to arguing removing all guns from the world is feasible?

Tote_All_ posted...

So we're back to arguing removing all guns from the world is feasible?

In an amount of time

3d printing? I guess

People have to... want to get rid of weapons... for getting rid of weapons to be possible

It's not feasible because some people want a gun

The_Wheelman1 posted...

I'd say automatic weapons should be bannned because they are the most commonly used in mass murders. But handguns and rifles are fine.

Handguns are used in more shootings than any other firearm. When is the last time a full auto gun was used in a shooting?

Also if rifles are fine then you are cool with the AR and AK platforms then, right?

Like, TC, you agree weapons are bad, right?

MedeaLysistrata posted...

In an amount of time

Please tell me how.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Like, TC, you agree weapons are bad, right?

More bad than good, but as long as there are people (or animals) willing to hurt you, it's a legitimate tool for self defense.

Tote_All_ posted...

Please tell me how.

More bad than good, but as long as there are people (or animals) willing to hurt you, it's a legitimate tool for self defense.

Gun manufacturers can be phased out and production of guns and ammo can stop. Unlikely but not impossible. The guns that remain will fall into disrepair eventually.

I thought this was a hypothetical topic... Not for practical solutions

Tote_All_ posted...

More bad than good, but as long as there are people (or animals) willing to hurt you, it's a legitimate tool for self defense.

Re: this, guns are probably the most effective but their destructive potential makes less dangerous tools better over all

It is worth noting that while guns are certainly effective at making people dead, that doesn't necessarily mean they're the most dangerous.

Think about it this way, something about guns is that most of the time, it's relatively easy to tell who has one. But knives and other weapons aren't so easily noticed.

When's the last time you saw someone in a trench coat casually strolling into a public place holding a bigass cartoon bomb?

DespondentDeity posted...

I think a better idea than banning guns would be to mandate gun ownership.

Brassard citizen?

Tote_All_ posted...

So we're back to arguing removing all guns from the world is feasible?

The main barrier to removing the vast majority of guns is people arguing that it isn't feasible to remove the vast majority of guns.

I don't think anybody is claiming that they will cease to exist entirely, but if you make possession of them illegal then over time the number will reduce dramatically.

Ban bullets instead.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Gun manufacturers can be phased out and production of guns and ammo can stop. Unlikely but not impossible. The guns that remain will fall into disrepair eventually.

I thought this was a hypothetical topic... Not for practical solutions

And how are you going to force authoritarian military states to do this?