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Nerevarine791
07/24/22 11:52:53 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
When religious fanatics take over, you get Sharia Law
Comparing right-wing christian nationalism to sharia is both islamophobic and entirely inaccurate.

FortuneCookie posted...
When racial supremacists take over, you get genocide or slavery. Both are oppressive, but they're different in their priorities and execution.
The people in this country pushing for genocide and fascism are the same ones pushing for christian nationalism.

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Nerevarine791
07/24/22 11:53:30 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...


2) If they were the same, I would think being a Nazi would carry considerable more weight than being a Christian.
Nobody is saying Christians are the problem. It's extremist fundamentalist christian nationalists.

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FortuneCookie
07/24/22 11:55:50 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
Comparing right-wing christian nationalism to sharia is both islamophobic and entirely inaccurate.

Not inherently. They aren't doing anything that Christians haven't done with absolute power.

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FigureOfSpeech
07/24/22 11:57:53 PM
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When it comes to rights?

To rights?

Dead.

Dead to rights.

That's it. Beyond saving. Beyond repair. Nation over.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 12:00:43 AM
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Heartomaton posted...
Like no one ever committed genocide or practiced slavery in the name of their religion.

For fucks sake, man.


White supremacists will go after minority groups with far greater fervor.
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Heartomaton
07/25/22 12:08:57 AM
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White supremacists will go after minority groups with far greater fervor.

Going after them with any fervor at all is wrong, regardless of who's doing it.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 12:15:02 AM
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If Christian nationalists achieved absolute power, it's possible that they would commit genocide or perpetuate slavery. If white supremacists achieved absolutely power, one or both would be guaranteed.
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 12:17:48 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
If Christian nationalists achieved absolute power, it's possible that they would commit genocide or perpetuate slavery.
The christian nationalists currently running the GOP are already pushing genocidal rhetoric against the trans community.

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GrandConjuraton
07/25/22 12:22:28 AM
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Xatrion posted...
Oh come on guys, you don't have to worry about your rights. That is unless you are female, gay, bi, black, brown, trans, or not christian.

Nope, no worries at all.


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Sega97
07/25/22 12:23:30 AM
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Comments didn't disappoint.

Where is the utopia we were getting since orange man bad is gone?
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 12:24:30 AM
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Sega97 posted...
Comments didn't disappoint.

Where is the utopia we were getting since orange man bad is gone?
I mean, it's still your party pushing the fascist bullshit.

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Heartomaton
07/25/22 12:26:47 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
If Christian nationalists achieved absolute power, it's possible that they would commit genocide or perpetuate slavery. If white supremacists achieved absolutely power, one or both would be guaranteed.

This isn't a situation where any rational person should be comparing evils to see which is worse. Either one would mean the utter destruction of everything America is supposed to stand for, so neither one can be allowed to succeed. The fact that America has never actually been the idealistic nation it claimed to be is irrelevant right now, because either one of those groups gaining power would make even the history this country tries to hide look like a bad high school yearbook picture.

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Patchwork
07/25/22 12:32:29 AM
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If there was ever a time for a viable third party candidate to step onto the political scene, itd be 2024.

That there isnt even a sniff of one, though, means that youre looking at (barring his arrest) Trump/DeSantis v. Whoever the Dems tap. Likely Newsome, Id wager. Not sure who his VP would be.

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Evening_Dragon
07/25/22 12:32:51 AM
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Sega97 posted...
Comments didn't disappoint.

Where is the utopia we were getting since orange man bad is gone?

Who said we were getting a utopia? Why do you lie?

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ReignFury
07/25/22 12:41:02 AM
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Controlling and stripping voting rights. Challenges to parts of the constitution. Challenges to maximum terms for a potus. Refusals to concede office. Refusals to finalize vote counts. Challenges to gay and interracial marriage. Challenges to female bodily autonomy. Etc

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VigorouslySwish
07/25/22 12:43:26 AM
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It's gonna get bad no matter who wins. It should be pretty clear at this point that dems don't give a single flying fuck about actually trying to preserve democracy. All they care about is their financial portfolios, which tend to benefit from conservative political decisions.

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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 12:48:07 AM
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https://www.fr.de/politik/gewalt-in-gottes-namen-annika-brockschmidt-analysiert-die-religioese-rechte-amerikas-91102887.html

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/gewalt-in-gottes-namen-annika-brockschmidt-analysiert-die-religioese-rechte-amerikas-91102887.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Despite the complexity of the situation, it was striking how frequently Christian symbols were combined with those of the White Supremacy movement. This solidarity caused confusion among many viewers: Why are people praying here marching alongside radical nationalists and racists to seek the lives of politicians?It wasn't a coincidence, it was an alliance that had been forged for a long time. The Christian nationalism seen on January 6 did not appear on the political scene with Donald Trump. On closer inspection, it was also unsurprising that racism was the connecting element between the Religious Right and white supremacists: from the early days of the organized modern Religious Right in the 1960s, racism was the driving force.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 10:38:00 AM
#71:


Heartomaton posted...
This isn't a situation where any rational person should be comparing evils to see which is worse. Either one would mean the utter destruction of everything America is supposed to stand for, so neither one can be allowed to succeed. The fact that America has never actually been the idealistic nation it claimed to be is irrelevant right now, because either one of those groups gaining power would make even the history this country tries to hide look like a bad high school yearbook picture.

I just think it's odd that we have Nazis waving their flags outside of the political rally and we still have people saying, "No, no, no. The Christian nationalists are worse."

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Heineken14
07/25/22 11:17:59 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...


I just think it's odd that we have Nazis waving their flags outside of the political rally and we still have people saying, "No, no, no. The Christian nationalists are worse."



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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 11:57:59 AM
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No, they're not.

Not one person has answered my question from last night.

If the Republican senators who overturned Roe v. Wade had woken up as atheists on the morning of the vote, do you really think they would have changed their positions? It's not about religion for them. For some of them, yes. As a whole? No. The goal is to control and to dominate, not to carry out the word of God.

In the case of Nazis, the goal is to destroy. This is one case where the devil you know is certainly worse than the devil you don't know. Bad things have happened under theocracies. Nothing in human history has happened to compare to the Nazis.

Besides, if they are the same, why not call them Nazis? Why call them Christian Nationalists? An offender is defined by their worst offense. You don't call an auto thief who assaults women a carjacker. You call him a rapist. By insisting that Christian Nationalist is the proper title, you're saying that people who commit evil in the name of religion are worse than Nazis.
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Heineken14
07/25/22 12:01:04 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
If the Republican senators who overturned Roe v. Wade had woken up as atheists on the morning of the vote


....it was the Supreme Court.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 12:01:12 PM
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It's very much worth answering since you insist that religion is the driving motivation.

If they were suddenly devoid of religion, would they have changed their stance?
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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 12:01:38 PM
#78:


Heineken14 posted...
....it was the Supreme Court.

Fuck me. That invalidates everything.

If the people who made the decision....
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MedeaLysistrata
07/25/22 12:03:25 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
Nobody is saying Christians are the problem. It's extremist fundamentalist christian nationalists.
Can I use this for commie defense? Kthx

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 12:03:44 PM
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Oh, now there are multiple driving motivations. Last night, it was a one to one equation: their religion told them to. Today, it's a complex series of factors.
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mybbqrules
07/25/22 12:21:15 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
It will literally be the same. No matter who is in office shit is going to be terrible. You got a Democratic person in the office now and look what happened - abortions are illegal
It's always nice to see my chud tags being reinforced.

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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 1:01:15 PM
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https://www.fr.de/politik/gewalt-in-gottes-namen-annika-brockschmidt-analysiert-die-religioese-rechte-amerikas-91102887.html

https://www-fr-de.translate.goog/politik/gewalt-in-gottes-namen-annika-brockschmidt-analysiert-die-religioese-rechte-amerikas-91102887.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Despite the complexity of the situation, it was striking how frequently Christian symbols were combined with those of the White Supremacy movement. This solidarity caused confusion among many viewers: Why are people praying here marching alongside radical nationalists and racists to seek the lives of politicians?It wasn't a coincidence, it was an alliance that had been forged for a long time. The Christian nationalism seen on January 6 did not appear on the political scene with Donald Trump. On closer inspection, it was also unsurprising that racism was the connecting element between the Religious Right and white supremacists: from the early days of the organized modern Religious Right in the 1960s, racism was the driving force.
I like how Fortune ignored the article from an actual historian of rightwing christian extremism and proceeded to just continue shitposting

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RenescoStCewl
07/25/22 1:30:44 PM
#85:


FortuneCookie posted...
Because scary Christian dystopias happen in fiction stories written by people with hateboners for Christianity and not in real life.
A lot of the world was a scary Christian dystopia for most of the last 2000 years.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:07:51 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
I like how Fortune ignored the article from an actual historian of rightwing christian extremism and proceeded to just continue shitposting

Somehow, I doubt this article comes from a place of unbiased professionalism.
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 2:09:08 PM
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Lmao now were questioning the professionalism of respected historians when we disagree with them. THATs a really unbiased and intellectual take

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:12:44 PM
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The moment you said Nazis and the religious right were the same is the moment I should have stopped humoring you.

I'm not saying the latter isn't problematic. But the majority of them are far removed from the former - at least in terms of the severity of their goals. They are, unfortunately, voting for the same side.
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itachi15243
07/25/22 2:14:13 PM
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If Trump wins there will literally be civil war.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:22:51 PM
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I tell you what. When I'm off the clock, I'll give your article a sincere look over. I think the summation pretty much shows that the author went in looking for the conclusion they reached. But I'll look it over and see how credible their arguments are. I'll give you that.
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 2:23:34 PM
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Lmfao

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:29:48 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
Lmfao

I said I'd give it a fair going over once I had a chance. I can't be any fairer than that.
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 2:38:51 PM
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"I'll give the historian a fair shot and see if I think their arguments are valid"

Boy aren't you generous lmao.

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:44:10 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
"I'll give the historian a fair shot and see if I think their arguments are valid"

Boy aren't you generous lmao.

The excerpt you posted feels disingenuous, like the conclusion of someone who went in looking to find proof that Christianity was an ongoing detriment. Even so, it's only fair if I go and look at their case arguments. Even if they have a bias, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily wrong in the cases they bring up. So, yeah, I can give it a fair shot.
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Nerevarine791
07/25/22 2:45:36 PM
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Do you have a background in historiography and research methods

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:49:12 PM
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Nerevarine791 posted...
Do you have a background in historiography and research methods

I minored in psychology.
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Agent_Stroud
07/25/22 2:49:26 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/8/AAR6WtAADQKo.jpg

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FortuneCookie
07/25/22 2:50:20 PM
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I hope they don't. I'm afraid though. Biden and Harris have lost considerable face while the right is galvanized by.... we're still debating on whether it's white supremacy or Christian nationalism, but it's one of those two things. <_<
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DrizztLink
07/25/22 4:50:01 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
we're still debating on whether it's white supremacy or Christian nationalism, but it's one of those two things. <_<
You are, the rest of us are accepting reality.

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