Current Events > Texas Woman almost dies, put on breathing machine when she couldn't get abortion

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Later in that thread it is stated that Texas exception to abortion law based on health of the mother would have applied to this case, but the doctors misconstrued where that line is drawn.

what does ECMO stand for?

sure, blame the doctors and not the cave people who passed the law

No, its not. I wish people would stop trying to ham-fist the immigration slogan into this issue. Cruelty was definitely the point when the GOP was trying to send a message with their immigration policy. Cruelty is not the point when it comes to their abortion policies. Its a side effect of them being convinced that theyre morally right and refusing to listen to the negative consequences.

GOP run America sadly.

sure, blame the doctors and not the cave people who passed the law

Certainly if the law did not exist there would be no room for misinterpretation. That doesn't negate the fact that Texas law did not mandate this woman not be treated. I'm not blaming the doctors, just pointing out this is not entirely a legislative issue. She could have, by Texas law, been treated earlier.

Certainly if the law did not exist there would be no room for misinterpretation. That doesn't negate the fact that Texas law did not mandate this woman not be treated. I'm not blaming the doctors, just pointing out this is not entirely a legislative issue. She could have, by Texas law, been treated earlier.

Pro life.

So you believe the doctor should have been better versed in the law?

When a specific law applies directly to prospective patients, it certainly would not hurt to be well versed in said law. However, it is not fair to put the entire onus of responsibility on doctors, especially when the law is written ambiguously.

Fortunately, in this case the woman survived her ordeal. Hopefully this will serve as a clarion call for various states to establish clear communication between bureaucracy and the health care system so that no doctor ever has to second guess whether a course of treatment is within legality.

When a specific law applies directly to prospective patients, it certainly would not hurt to be well versed in said law. However, it is not fair to put the entire onus of responsibility on doctors, especially when the law is written ambiguously.

Fortunately, in this case the woman survived her ordeal. Hopefully this will serve as a clarion call for various states to establish clear communication between bureaucracy and the health care system so that no doctor ever has to second guess whether a course of treatment is within legality.

1) So that's a yes, some of the responsibility is on the doctor?
2) As the other poster mentioned, this law and others are often written vaguely - there are even cases of hospitals being advised by their legal counsel to stop all procedures till there is more clarification. How much time do you believe this doctor should have spent becoming more "well versed"?

1. Yes, some of the responsibility is on the doctor. Whether or not that's entirely fair is another issue, but we're living in a new reality unfortunately, and it's not enough to just fall back on ignorance of the law as an excuse.

2. It's not a matter of "learn this in x seconds," it's about continuous education regarding the law. Who knows? Maybe this doctor has been studying the law, but still just wasn't comfortable enough with the procedure. As time goes on, and clearer lines are drawn with various cases, doctors will be able to decide based on precedent. This should get easier over time. Should.

Certainly if the law did not exist there would be no room for misinterpretation. That doesn't negate the fact that Texas law did not mandate this woman not be treated. I'm not blaming the doctors, just pointing out this is not entirely a legislative issue. She could have, by Texas law, been treated earlier.

Conservative posters are avoiding this topic like an anti masker avoids masks

tag em

They are indeed tagged users but not in the way you are thinking of.

Why do conservatives hate people?

Why dont you random people upend the entirety of the American legal system and government to stop this right now sure is a take

Yes, because doing nothing is working so well. When the government becomes tyrannical it is our responsibility, nay, our duty to overthrow it. If only enough people understood and were on board.

people had a window of time. All we needed was 2 more senators and 2 more congresspeople. But, purity Dems did not vote.

they could have voted for Hillary but purity Dems did not vote.

now we are all fucked.

Ah yes, the old "it's dem voters fault that the GOP is a fascist party enacting fascist policies".