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TheGoldenEel 07/13/22 10:23:40 PM #1:	I know Chappelle is fodder for shitposting but this is the best take Ive seen come out of the comedy community regarding his focus on anti-trans stuff, and I wanted to share it to give some perspective that his jokes arent something everyone in the comedy world should be ok with https://www.thedailybeast.com/tim-heidecker-has-no-time-for-dave-chappelle-a-leader-in-the-anti-trans-movement https://mobile.twitter.com/timheidecker/status/1528048845094932480 Youre kind of unique in that way. Because in the comedy world, everyones sort of protective of each other. Another thing you tweeted recently was a comment in reference to John Mulaney bringing up Chappelle, having him as a surprise guest on his tour where he told a lot of his anti-trans jokes. And you were basically the only comedian that I saw speak out against that. Tim: I mean, listen, I have friends who are transand that sounds like the worst way to start that conversation, right? But I really do, and I have fans who are trans and Ive spoken to them about this and Ive heard directly from them, and there is tremendous anxiety and uncomfortableness and sadness and hurt that its treated so flippantly and often dangerously by these people with giant audiences. And I dont believe that John Mulaney has any kind of issues with the trans community personally. But at the same time, I dont understand why you need Chappelle to come out onto the stage with an audience that have already paid to see you. *Its not what they signed up for.* Yeah, exactly. So I did it, of course, as an honest statement that you should feel safe coming to my shows, that Im not going to spring a leader in the anti-trans movementit seems to be an issue he cares deeply about. *He cant stop talking about it.* Yeah, I did it out of honesty and a little bit of snarky, like, Fuck off. And also as a message to other artists and comedians and musicians to be like, you know, feel free to speak out about this. You will find a lot of encouragement and gratitude from a very cool audience. Im speaking completely self-servingly here, but if you want to build a cool, young, creative, smart audience, these are not the people you should be excluding from your audience. And thats not why Im doing it, but these are positive side effects of just being inclusive and understanding of marginalized communities that you dont even have to have full understanding of, you just have to be tolerant and respectful of. And Ill just say one more thing. When I hear the anti-trans comedy, it just sounds like that cheap 80s gay stuff. Like Andrew Dice Clay, who I know is doing a character, but the people that Andrew Dice Clay was probably making fun of but he got kind of swept into the dark side of. *Or Eddie Murphy too.* Yeah, I mean its easy, cheap fodder that should be beneath most of these people that are operating at that level. And Im not telling anybody they cant do whatever they want, but Im just saying what's going to happen at my shows. *I do wonder if you feel some responsibility to counter that stuff for your own younger male fans who grew up watching Tim and Eric and could go down that road themselves.* Oh, absolutely, 100 percent. Im sure a lot of them have. I know that when we started 10, 15 years ago, we attracted a mostly non-conformist, anti-establishment, younger group of men. And it has shifted a lot and theres plenty of women too, but I know that there was something appealing about the nihilism of our work that was definitely anti-authoritarian or anti-establishment. And you can take that to the left or to the right and I think a lot of guys did, in the Trump era, 2015, 2016 and onward, went that way. And couldnt believe that I would not be into that too. A lot of them were like, I thought you get that nothing matters and this guy is a complete destroyer of worlds and hes going to tear down the establishment, why arent you into that too? And Im like, well, I get that, but Im also a liberal artist theater dude who grew up believing in certain axioms that are still true to me. And I think this is a con job that this guy is performing and youre getting swept up into something that you dont understand. And just the other day with the shooter on the roof, I see these guys and Im just like that could easily be a fan, it could easily be a former fan or the same kids that are writing that Im a cuck. Ive received plenty of death threats and plenty of terrible trolling for being outspoken on certain issues. And so I look at all these 18-year-old, 20-year-old men and know that I have very close connections to them in either positive or negative ways. --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966557175] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>I know Chappelle is fodder for shitposting but this is the best take Ive seen come out of the comedy community regarding his focus on anti-trans stuff, and I wanted to share it to give some perspective that his jokes arent something everyone in the comedy world should be ok with https://www.thedailybeast.com/tim-heidecker-has-no-time-for-dave-chappelle-a-leader-in-the-anti-trans-movement https://mobile.twitter.com/timheidecker/status/1528048845094932480 Youre kind of unique in that way. Because in the comedy world, everyones sort of protective of each other. Another thing you tweeted recently was a comment in reference to John Mulaney bringing up Chappelle, having him as a surprise guest on his tour where he told a lot of his anti-trans jokes. And you were basically the only comedian that I saw speak out against that. Tim: I mean, listen, I have friends who are transand that sounds like the worst way to start that conversation, right? But I really do, and I have fans who are trans and Ive spoken to them about this and Ive heard directly from them, and there is tremendous anxiety and uncomfortableness and sadness and hurt that its treated so flippantly and often dangerously by these people with giant audiences. And I dont believe that John Mulaney has any kind of issues with the trans community personally. But at the same time, I dont understand why you need Chappelle to come out onto the stage with an audience that have already paid to see you. Its not what they signed up for. Yeah, exactly. So I did it, of course, as an honest statement that you should feel safe coming to my shows, that Im not going to spring a leader in the anti-trans movementit seems to be an issue he cares deeply about. He cant stop talking about it. Yeah, I did it out of honesty and a little bit of snarky, like, Fuck off. And also as a message to other artists and comedians and musicians to be like, you know, feel free to speak out about this. You will find a lot of encouragement and gratitude from a very cool audience. Im speaking completely self-servingly here, but if you want to build a cool, young, creative, smart audience, these are not the people you should be excluding from your audience. And thats not why Im doing it, but these are positive side effects of just being inclusive and understanding of marginalized communities that you dont even have to have full understanding of, you just have to be tolerant and respectful of. And Ill just say one more thing. When I hear the anti-trans comedy, it just sounds like that cheap 80s gay stuff. Like Andrew Dice Clay, who I know is doing a character, but the people that Andrew Dice Clay was probably making fun of but he got kind of swept into the dark side of. Or Eddie Murphy too. Yeah, I mean its easy, cheap fodder that should be beneath most of these people that are operating at that level. And Im not telling anybody they cant do whatever they want, but Im just saying what's going to happen at my shows. I do wonder if you feel some responsibility to counter that stuff for your own younger male fans who grew up watching Tim and Eric and could go down that road themselves. Oh, absolutely, 100 percent. Im sure a lot of them have. I know that when we started 10, 15 years ago, we attracted a mostly non-conformist, anti-establishment, younger group of men. And it has shifted a lot and theres plenty of women too, but I know that there was something appealing about the nihilism of our work that was definitely anti-authoritarian or anti-establishment. And you can take that to the left or to the right and I think a lot of guys did, in the Trump era, 2015, 2016 and onward, went that way. And couldnt believe that I would not be into that too. A lot of them were like, I thought you get that nothing matters and this guy is a complete destroyer of worlds and hes going to tear down the establishment, why arent you into that too? And Im like, well, I get that, but Im also a liberal artist theater dude who grew up believing in certain axioms that are still true to me. And I think this is a con job that this guy is performing and youre getting swept up into something that you dont understand. And just the other day with the shooter on the roof, I see these guys and Im just like that could easily be a fan, it could easily be a former fan or the same kids that are writing that Im a cuck. Ive received plenty of death threats and plenty of terrible trolling for being outspoken on certain issues. And so I look at all these 18-year-old, 20-year-old men and know that I have very close connections to them in either positive or negative ways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 07/13/22 10:24:55 PM #2:	No more bullshit --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:966557194] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>No more bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 07/13/22 10:26:54 PM #3:	tl;dr --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:966557232] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>tl;dr </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/13/22 10:28:49 PM #4:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... tl;dr tl;Dr: I mean, listen, I have friends who are transand that sounds like the worst way to start that conversation, right? But I really do, and I have fans who are trans and Ive spoken to them about this and Ive heard directly from them, and there is tremendous anxiety and uncomfortableness and sadness and hurt that its treated so flippantly and often dangerously by these people with giant audiences. Im speaking completely self-servingly here, but if you want to build a cool, young, creative, smart audience, these are not the people you should be excluding from your audience. And thats not why Im doing it, but these are positive side effects of just being inclusive and understanding of marginalized communities that you dont even have to have full understanding of, you just have to be tolerant and respectful of. And Ill just say one more thing. When I hear the anti-trans comedy, it just sounds like that cheap 80s gay stuff --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966557271] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite> <quote>tl;dr</quote>tl;Dr: <quote>I mean, listen, I have friends who are transand that sounds like the worst way to start that conversation, right? But I really do, and I have fans who are trans and Ive spoken to them about this and Ive heard directly from them, and there is tremendous anxiety and uncomfortableness and sadness and hurt that its treated so flippantly and often dangerously by these people with giant audiences.</quote> <quote> Im speaking completely self-servingly here, but if you want to build a cool, young, creative, smart audience, these are not the people you should be excluding from your audience. And thats not why Im doing it, but these are positive side effects of just being inclusive and understanding of marginalized communities that you dont even have to have full understanding of, you just have to be tolerant and respectful of. And Ill just say one more thing. When I hear the anti-trans comedy, it just sounds like that cheap 80s gay stuff</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 07/13/22 10:29:03 PM #5:	Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff They're not even funny jokes. Its stuff you see on fox news <cite>Axiom posted [p:966557274] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff They're not even funny jokes. Its stuff you see on fox news </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/13/22 10:30:00 PM #6:	Axiom posted... Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff Yes there are people that still claim if youre not down with Dave Chappelle still it must be that you dont like/understand comedy --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966557295] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite> <quote>Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff</quote>Yes there are people that still claim if youre not down with Dave Chappelle still it must be that you dont like/understand comedy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nyb033 07/13/22 10:31:10 PM #7:	Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube <cite>nyb033 posted [p:966557312] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/13/22 10:32:33 PM #8:	nyb033 posted... Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966557338] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>nyb033 posted... </cite> <quote>Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube</quote>Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 07/13/22 10:36:50 PM #9:	I've never seen him speak seriously, I can't believe it. Well said. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:966557427] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>I've never seen him speak seriously, I can't believe it. Well said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 07/13/22 10:37:35 PM #10:	TheGoldenEel posted... Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century --- Fire tempers iron and temptation steels the just <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:966557440] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted...</cite> <quote> Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century </quote> I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 07/13/22 10:38:58 PM #11:	YookaLaylee posted... I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century Their entire gimmick was inspired by viral content creators, so there's validity in that --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:966557460] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>YookaLaylee posted... </cite> <quote>I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century</quote>Their entire gimmick was inspired by viral content creators, so there's validity in that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/13/22 10:52:45 PM #12:	YookaLaylee posted... I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century I think thats a fair suggestion too, but I feel like more internet content up to today comes from the lineage of Tim & Eric-style comedy than Lonely Island-style --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966557694] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>YookaLaylee posted... </cite> <quote>I saw a video a couple of months ago where someone made a pretty good case for The Lonely Island being the most influential comedians of the 21st century</quote>I think thats a fair suggestion too, but I feel like more internet content up to today comes from the lineage of Tim & Eric-style comedy than Lonely Island-style </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 07/13/22 11:27:55 PM #13:	TheGoldenEel posted... Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century I typically hate his comedy but I can't deny this --- Peace Love Dope <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:966558311] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century</quote> I typically hate his comedy but I can't deny this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LongJohnSilvers 07/13/22 11:36:32 PM #15:	I love Tim but damn this is stupid of him. --- Chief Keef > Notorious BIG <cite>LongJohnSilvers posted [p:966558451] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>I love Tim but damn this is stupid of him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/13/22 11:42:37 PM #16:	LongJohnSilvers posted... I love Tim but damn this is stupid of him. Tim: I care about trans people and value people and think that going after them is cheap and lazy and well below the skill level of pro comedians, also I'm not a right winger The alt account made 2 months ago: this is stupid Which part is stupid? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:966558550] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>LongJohnSilvers posted... </cite> <quote>I love Tim but damn this is stupid of him.</quote>Tim: I care about trans people and value people and think that going after them is cheap and lazy and well below the skill level of pro comedians, also I'm not a right winger The alt account made 2 months ago: this is stupid Which part is stupid? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/13/22 11:53:38 PM #17:	Based --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:966558709] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Based </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/14/22 9:04:45 AM #18:	bump --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966564487] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 07/14/22 9:06:43 AM #19:	Smashingpmkns posted... No more bullshit No-More-Bullshit No-More-Bullshit No-More-Bullshit --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:966564512] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>No more bullshit</quote> No-More-Bullshit No-More-Bullshit No-More-Bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 07/14/22 9:07:10 AM #20:	Tim is the best, Office Hours is such an incredible podcast as well. --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:966564515] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Tim is the best, Office Hours is such an incredible podcast as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
J03can 07/14/22 9:07:14 AM #21:	Not surprised. Tim is a pretty reasonable guy. I was on the chappelle side at first but he keeps beating this into the ground... I get it, joke about anything. He's just piling on at this point --- Jerry, it's Frank Costanza!!! Mr Steinbrenner's here George is dead - call me back!!!! <cite>J03can posted [p:966564517] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Not surprised. Tim is a pretty reasonable guy. I was on the chappelle side at first but he keeps beating this into the ground... I get it, joke about anything. He's just piling on at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Angel_ 07/14/22 9:10:27 AM #22:	nyb033 posted... Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube never even heard of this guy --- Nostalgia, how I remember things. Remember crowns, remember kings. <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:966564572] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>nyb033 posted... </cite> <quote>Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is, I know him from getting owned on YouTube</quote> never even heard of this guy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 07/14/22 9:11:31 AM #23:	The realest dude in entertainment, hell yeah --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:966564589] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>The realest dude in entertainment, hell yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 07/14/22 9:13:05 AM #24:	nyb033 posted... Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is --- https://imgur.com/ZFt3WwT http://error1355.com/ce/gatorsPENSbucs.html https://i.imgur.com/pqMQZyw.gif <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:966564612] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>nyb033 posted... </cite> <quote>Chapelle is great, and nobody will ever care about who this Tim guy is</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DespondentDeity 07/14/22 9:20:48 AM #26:	The transphobes on this board are so pathetic. Tim did what Dave said he was willing to do, listened to trans people, came to these conclusions and made a pledge to take them seriously; and these clowns are in here acting like hes some nobody as a desperate cope hoping this doesnt influence more people to disavow Daves position. --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:966564735] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>The transphobes on this board are so pathetic. Tim did what Dave said he was willing to do, listened to trans people, came to these conclusions and made a pledge to take them seriously; and these clowns are in here acting like hes some nobody as a desperate cope hoping this doesnt influence more people to disavow Daves position. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoMeLx22x 07/14/22 9:22:03 AM #27:	I love the people that keep acting like Tim Heidecker isn't a massively influential part of comedy all because they disagree with his politics and instead of addressing the core of what he's talking about will just pretend that he's not relevant at all. Like you're just showing how dumb you are to everyone. --- Sigs are for losers. <cite>NoMeLx22x posted [p:966564756] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>I love the people that keep acting like Tim Heidecker isn't a massively influential part of comedy all because they disagree with his politics and instead of addressing the core of what he's talking about will just pretend that he's not relevant at all. Like you're just showing how dumb you are to everyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 07/14/22 9:25:22 AM #28:	Tim's new song with Kurt Vile is also a banger --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:966564809] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Tim's new song with Kurt Vile is also a banger </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 07/14/22 9:26:10 AM #29:	NoMeLx22x posted... I love the people that keep acting like Tim Heidecker isn't a massively influential part of comedy all because they disagree with his politics and instead of addressing the core of what he's talking about will just pretend that he's not relevant at all. Like you're just showing how dumb you are to everyone. It seems like a good message, but I only know him as the cringey dude I made sure to flip by on adult swim. I think its odd to assume everyone thinks hes a superstar, but then again I dont really care. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:966564823] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>NoMeLx22x posted... </cite> <quote>I love the people that keep acting like Tim Heidecker isn't a massively influential part of comedy all because they disagree with his politics and instead of addressing the core of what he's talking about will just pretend that he's not relevant at all. Like you're just showing how dumb you are to everyone.</quote>It seems like a good message, but I only know him as the cringey dude I made sure to flip by on adult swim. I think its odd to assume everyone thinks hes a superstar, but then again I dont really care. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 07/14/22 9:31:45 AM #30:	Alteres posted... It seems like a good message, but I only know him as the cringey dude I made sure to flip by on adult swim. I think its odd to assume everyone thinks hes a superstar, but then again I dont really care. The irony is palpable, and Im not addressing you specifically, but one of the major defenses of Dave by people who wholeheartedly agree with the messaging behind his jokes is that the people who are critical of him know nothing about comedy. --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:966564916] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Alteres posted... </cite> <quote>It seems like a good message, but I only know him as the cringey dude I made sure to flip by on adult swim. I think its odd to assume everyone thinks hes a superstar, but then again I dont really care.</quote> The irony is palpable, and Im not addressing you specifically, but one of the major defenses of Dave by people who wholeheartedly agree with the messaging behind his jokes is that the people who are critical of him know nothing about comedy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/14/22 9:33:29 AM #31:	DespondentDeity posted... The transphobes on this board are so pathetic. Tim did what Dave said he was willing to do, listened to trans people, came to these conclusions and made a pledge to take them seriously; and these clowns are in here acting like hes some nobody as a desperate cope hoping this doesnt influence more people to disavow Daves position. Well spoken. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:966564952] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>DespondentDeity posted... </cite> <quote>The transphobes on this board are so pathetic. Tim did what Dave said he was willing to do, listened to trans people, came to these conclusions and made a pledge to take them seriously; and these clowns are in here acting like hes some nobody as a desperate cope hoping this doesnt influence more people to disavow Daves position.</quote> Well spoken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 07/14/22 9:35:26 AM #32:	TheGoldenEel posted... Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:966564995] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>TheGoldenEel posted... </cite> <quote>Tim Heidecker is unironically the most influential comedian of the 21st century</quote>The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suolevram 07/14/22 9:36:08 AM #33:	Axiom posted... Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff They're not even funny jokes. Its stuff you see on fox news Comedy is subjective, fyi. --- fay ce que vouldras <cite>Suolevram posted [p:966565007] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite> <quote>Does CE still have fanboys pretending Chappelle is just making jokes or are we finally past that. Dude just cannot stop with the anti trans stuff They're not even funny jokes. Its stuff you see on fox news</quote>Comedy is subjective, fyi. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/14/22 9:41:13 AM #35:	Suolevram posted... Comedy is subjective, fyi. This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. NoxObscuras posted... The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:966565108] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Suolevram posted... </cite> <quote>Comedy is subjective, fyi.</quote>This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. NoxObscuras posted... </cite> <quote>The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential</quote>You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/14/22 9:42:27 AM #37:	Muflaggin posted... It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh. I don't know any trans people going out saying trans people are child predators and need to be killed to protect the natural order God created for us. I hear that stuff pretty often from conservatives, though. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:966565123] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Muflaggin posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh.</quote>I don't know any trans people going out saying trans people are child predators and need to be killed to protect the natural order God created for us. I hear that stuff pretty often from conservatives, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/14/22 9:43:01 AM #38:	Muflaggin posted... It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh. Holy hell, what a shit take <cite>Derwood posted [p:966565132] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Muflaggin posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh.</quote> Holy hell, what a shit take </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 07/14/22 9:45:41 AM #39:	Muflaggin posted... It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh. Just admit you hate trans people. Just take the mask off already dude --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:966565184] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Muflaggin posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh.</quote>Just admit you hate trans people. Just take the mask off already dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/14/22 9:46:00 AM #40:	Muflaggin posted... It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh. ? Blocks and braindead takes, name a more iconic duo --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:966565191] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Muflaggin posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like gasp they are. Trans people are their own worst enemy. It's sad to see tbqh.</quote>? Blocks and braindead takes, name a more iconic duo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suolevram 07/14/22 9:46:17 AM #41:	gunplagirl posted... This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered. Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference. --- fay ce que vouldras <cite>Suolevram posted [p:966565196] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered.</quote>Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 07/14/22 9:47:14 AM #42:	gunplagirl posted... This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered. Nope not aware at all. I avoided their content like the plague lol Although, after reading through the topic, I want to be clear that I agree with Tim's decision to not bring Dave out as a guest at his shows. Me disliking the Tim & Eric style of comedy doesn't mean I support the shit Dave has been saying lately. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:966565212] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>This sounds like the same sort of coping thing I hear when people shout "I'm entitled to my opinion" then go on a rant about how the government is controlling us with microchips in vaccines. Sure, it's subjective, but there's some objectively shitty things that are transphobic and harm trans people and Dave's done that. A lot. You really must not be aware of how much he and his various projects have influenced meme culture, then. Spoiler alert, modern meme culture has very much followed the post-irony formula he mastered.</quote>Nope not aware at all. I avoided their content like the plague lol Although, after reading through the topic, I want to be clear that I agree with Tim's decision to not bring Dave out as a guest at his shows. Me disliking the Tim & Eric style of comedy doesn't mean I support the shit Dave has been saying lately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 07/14/22 9:47:45 AM #43:	J03can posted... Not surprised. Tim is a pretty reasonable guy. I was on the chappelle side at first but he keeps beating this into the ground... I get it, joke about anything. He's just piling on at this point I can excuse it if it was like a one-off thing and the punch line wasn't "hurrr trans people bad" I hope people start to recognize that the thing that actually hurts comedy is people who just use it at a 'freedom from consequences' shield that enables them to just spew vile political opinions. There is an overlap from comedy and politics but like if your just slamming trans people and then telling everyone that you're just a comedian and comedy is sacred... well then you're a fucking fraud. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:966565220] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>J03can posted... </cite> <quote>Not surprised. Tim is a pretty reasonable guy. I was on the chappelle side at first but he keeps beating this into the ground... I get it, joke about anything. He's just piling on at this point</quote> I can excuse it if it was like a one-off thing and the punch line wasn't "hurrr trans people bad" I hope people start to recognize that the thing that actually hurts comedy is people who just use it at a 'freedom from consequences' shield that enables them to just spew vile political opinions. There is an overlap from comedy and politics but like if your just slamming trans people and then telling everyone that you're just a comedian and comedy is sacred... well then you're a fucking fraud. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 07/14/22 9:49:21 AM #44:	Suolevram posted... Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference. Well sure, some people find murder hilarious as well. Doesn't mean it is or that we should tolerate anyone who thinks it is. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:966565250] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Suolevram posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference.</quote>Well sure, some people find murder hilarious as well. Doesn't mean it is or that we should tolerate anyone who thinks it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stewman_Magoo 07/14/22 9:49:49 AM #45:	NoxObscuras posted... The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential Facts don't care about your feelings dude --- PSN Stewman_Magoo <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:966565262] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>NoxObscuras posted... </cite> <quote>The Tim & Eric shows on adult swim were by far the most annoying shows to me. I refuse to call him influential</quote> Facts don't care about your feelings dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame_Zero 07/14/22 9:55:20 AM #47:	Suolevram posted... Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference. But he's not really telling jokes with the subject though. I don't even mean in a subjective "I personally don't think they're funny" kind of way, he's basically just giving a seminar. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:966565368] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Suolevram posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference.</quote>But he's not really telling jokes with the subject though. I don't even mean in a subjective "I personally don't think they're funny" kind of way, he's basically just giving a seminar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadow_Don 07/14/22 10:00:16 AM #48:	Suolevram posted... Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference. He's not 'joking around' though. He really believes the stuff he is saying about trans people. I can laugh at some pretty fucking dark and edgy jokes but it kind of changes the nature of the joke if the comedian actually believes in the stuff they are saying. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo <cite>Shadow_Don posted [p:966565464] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Suolevram posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody coping. Its factual. Comedy is subjective. Some people find it funny, some don't. That's a fact. It all depends on your personal preference.</quote> He's not 'joking around' though. He really believes the stuff he is saying about trans people. I can laugh at some pretty fucking dark and edgy jokes but it kind of changes the nature of the joke if the comedian actually believes in the stuff they are saying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/14/22 10:11:45 AM #49:	Shadow_Don posted... He's not 'joking around' though. He really believes the stuff he is saying about trans people. I can laugh at some pretty fucking dark and edgy jokes but it kind of changes the nature of the joke if the comedian actually believes in the stuff they are saying. Exactly. Anthony Jeselnik says some of the most fucked up things ever on stage, but you know that he is 100% joking about all of them. Chappelle has turned his stand-up into a Ted Talk about his grievances <cite>Derwood posted [p:966565703] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Shadow_Don posted... </cite> <quote>He's not 'joking around' though. He really believes the stuff he is saying about trans people. I can laugh at some pretty fucking dark and edgy jokes but it kind of changes the nature of the joke if the comedian actually believes in the stuff they are saying.</quote> Exactly. Anthony Jeselnik says some of the most fucked up things ever on stage, but you know that he is 100% joking about all of them. Chappelle has turned his stand-up into a Ted Talk about his grievances </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nyb033 07/14/22 10:14:36 AM #51:	Derwood posted... Chappelle has turned his stand-up into a Ted Talk about his grievances He is just mocking modern society, and nobody ever says he is not factual, always look at the people who want to censor and what they promote. <cite>nyb033 posted [p:966565762] in Tim Heidec... [t:80093470]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>Chappelle has turned his stand-up into a Ted Talk about his grievances</quote> He is just mocking modern society, and nobody ever says he is not factual, always look at the people who want to censor and what they promote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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