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DarkRoast
06/15/22 1:04:47 PM
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ElatedVenusaur
06/15/22 1:13:37 PM
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Cao Cao would be some kind of business psychopath genius, wouldn't he?

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DarkRoast
06/15/22 1:14:44 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Cao Cao would be some kind of business psychopath genius, wouldn't he?

Kind of depends on which dynasty Warriors we're talking about. They've been a lot nicer to Cao Cao lately.

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spanky1
06/15/22 1:17:00 PM
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I would love it if Dynasty Warriors evolved big like Monster Hunter did with World.

They made a kick ass game that was advanced back in the ps2 era, and then they just made the same game a half a hundred times and stagnated while the rest of video games made advancements.

Imagine what a DW game could be like if they actually tried to make it high quality and modern.

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DarkRoast
06/15/22 1:18:11 PM
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spanky1 posted...
I would love it if Dynasty Warriors evolved big like Monster Hunter did with World.

They made a kick ass game that was advanced back in the ps2 era, and then they just made the same game a half a hundred times and stagnated while the rest of video games made advancements.

Imagine what a DW game could be like if they actually tried to make it high quality and modern.

Probably the saddest part of all is that Musuou games themselves have advanced considerably.

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crazygamer21
06/15/22 1:27:19 PM
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spanky1 posted...
I would love it if Dynasty Warriors evolved big like Monster Hunter did with World.

They made a kick ass game that was advanced back in the ps2 era, and then they just made the same game a half a hundred times and stagnated while the rest of video games made advancements.

Imagine what a DW game could be like if they actually tried to make it high quality and modern.
They're definitely capable of making better games. Persona 5 Strikers was pretty damn good, but it feels like the Omega Force division of Koei Tecmo is overworked. They pump out 2 or more games a year. They should cool it with all the Warriors spin offs and take some time to reboot the Dynasty Warriors franchise into something great imo.

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ElatedVenusaur
06/15/22 1:27:23 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Kind of depends on which dynasty Warriors we're talking about. They've been a lot nicer to Cao Cao lately.
True. He could end up being a rad history professor who speaks five languages and has had seven wives and three husbands or highly successful politician who combines ruthless dirty tricks with sound policy.

But the idea of business shark Cao Cao conducting a successful hostile takeover of Yuan Shao's family business came to mind immediately, for some reason.

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DarkRoast
06/15/22 1:48:48 PM
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Cao Cao IRL was actually an incredibly honorable, brilliant, and surprisingly humble individual given his successes. Unfortunately, the book Romance of the Three Kingdoms was exceptionally biased towards Liu Bei at the expense of Cao Cao, and it heavily influenced Chinese opinion for centuries, although over the past century or so, there has been a push to recognize that Cao Cao actually was the most honorable of the three warlords.

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nfearurspecimn
06/15/22 1:49:29 PM
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Musou games suck sorry.

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DarkRoast
06/15/22 1:51:46 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
Musou games suck sorry.

I like them

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Questionmarktarius
06/15/22 1:52:26 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
Musou games suck sorry.
They're the same category of dumb-fun as Lego games. Live a little.
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nfearurspecimn
06/15/22 1:52:37 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
I like them
oh no... I'm not gonna like Origami King are I...

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nfearurspecimn
06/15/22 1:52:53 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
They're the same category of dumb-fun as Lego games. Live a little.
dude those games suck too

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Holy_Cloud105
06/15/22 1:54:18 PM
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spanky1 posted...
I would love it if Dynasty Warriors evolved big like Monster Hunter did with World.

They made a kick ass game that was advanced back in the ps2 era, and then they just made the same game a half a hundred times and stagnated while the rest of video games made advancements.

Imagine what a DW game could be like if they actually tried to make it high quality and modern.
They tried an open world game with 9 and it sucked. I think what kills me the most is how everyone is a clone now. Nobody really has a unique moveset anymore.

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Kircheis
06/15/22 2:01:05 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...

They tried an open world game with 9 and it sucked. I think what kills me the most is how everyone is a clone now. Nobody really has a unique moveset anymore.

Yeah how the fuck did Dynasty Warriors go from over 80 unique movesets on PS3 era hardware just to go back to cloned movesets on more advanced hardware and with even more mind-numbingly simple gameplay on top of that? What a fucking joke of a letdown.

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Questionmarktarius
06/15/22 2:04:41 PM
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Kircheis posted...
80 unique movesets on PS3 era hardware just to go back to cloned movesets on more advanced hardware
Priorities shifted to bullshots, for games reviewers will largely ignore anyway.
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DarkRoast
06/15/22 2:25:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/gNn9NxZH2Vo

Can't believe this is a thing

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KamenRiderBlade
06/15/22 2:33:39 PM
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Would you prefer a "Open World" Dynasty Warriors or stick to a traditional DW that has menus with missions on them?

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DarkRoast
06/15/22 2:36:34 PM
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I honestly don't really care as long as whatever they make is well-designed.

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KamenRiderBlade
06/15/22 2:39:59 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
I honestly don't really care as long as whatever they make is well-designed.
IC, so back to the basics of good core-loop gameplay.

I do want them to implement a 9 vs 9 DW game with 4k TV's splitting the screen into 9x 720p screens and letting multiple factions duke it out in a competitive e-Sports like setup.

Imagine what 9 vs 9 (DW) would be like. Or some battle scenarios have 3x Factions. Imagine what 9 vs 9 vs 9 with 3x Big Screen setups would be like.

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NeonOctopus
06/15/22 2:43:06 PM
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What's even going on in that image? <_< Did they bang or something?

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Alteres
06/15/22 2:47:09 PM
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I think the last one I spent a shit ton of time on was on the 360 and was like 5. Everyone had their own distinct move sets and there were a ton of characters.

I have 8 for ps4 and I keep meaning to play it more, but Im sure I could pick up the ultimate version dirt cheap somewhere by now and I dont want to spend any time on it as the games are already repetitive enough ...heh

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SDBZ
06/15/22 2:47:24 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
Cao Cao would be some kind of business psychopath genius, wouldn't he?

He's a CEO in SD Gundam Soketsuden lol

https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/sdw-soketsuden/wei.html


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DarkRoast
06/15/22 2:48:43 PM
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Alteres posted...
I think the last one I spent a shit ton of time on was on the 360 and was like 5. Everyone had their own distinct move sets and there were a ton of characters.

I have 8 for ps4 and I keep meaning to play it more, but Im sure I could pick up the ultimate version dirt cheap somewhere by now and I dont want to spend any time on it as the games are already repetitive enough ...heh

DW8 Ultimate is really good.


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spanky1
06/15/22 2:52:08 PM
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I mean people here are mentioning other Musou games like Persona Strikers and open world stuff and stuff about the movesets and how there's less of them.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to them to REALLY re-imagine the game. Not just do little incremental stuff here and there.

When DW first came out, it was regarded as a technological marvel. That's how it got so famous in the first place. DW2 was an early PS2 game. It was astounding to play in this big, huge battlefield surrounded by hundreds of actual enemies, and you were like a war god going through them. The draw was the technological prowess of that engine and what it could provide for you.

Now the DW engine is considered a joke. It's bottom-tier on the technological marvel scale.

I don't want a DW game that's like Persona Strikers. I want something that's the modern day equivalent of those original DW2 and 3 games. I want something that's visually stunning and blows people away, and does stuff that's never been done before. Completely throw out the blueprint for what DW games have historically been, and completely start from scratch, with the goal of recreating a stunning, large scale, historical Chinese battle with super human warriors you can play as.

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El Marsh
06/15/22 2:56:09 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Cao Cao IRL was actually an incredibly honorable, brilliant, and surprisingly humble individual given his successes. Unfortunately, the book Romance of the Three Kingdoms was exceptionally biased towards Liu Bei at the expense of Cao Cao, and it heavily influenced Chinese opinion for centuries, although over the past century or so, there has been a push to recognize that Cao Cao actually was the most honorable of the three warlords.
Truth

That said, I don't know how anyone can read that novel and not conclude that all three founders in the story were absolute monsters, even the "virtuous" Liu Bei. I swear the author was an ancestral relative of Zhuge Liang lol

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KamenRiderBlade
06/15/22 3:02:28 PM
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spanky1 posted...
I mean people here are mentioning other Musou games like Persona Strikers and open world stuff and stuff about the movesets and how there's less of them.

I don't care about any of that stuff. I want to them to REALLY re-imagine the game. Not just do little incremental stuff here and there.

When DW first came out, it was regarded as a technological marvel. That's how it got so famous in the first place. DW2 was an early PS2 game. It was astounding to play in this big, huge battlefield surrounded by hundreds of actual enemies, and you were like a war god going through them. The draw was the technological prowess of that engine and what it could provide for you.

Now the DW engine is considered a joke. It's bottom-tier on the technological marvel scale.

I don't want a DW game that's like Persona Strikers. I want something that's the modern day equivalent of those original DW2 and 3 games. I want something that's visually stunning and blows people away, and does stuff that's never been done before. Completely throw out the blueprint for what DW games have historically been, and completely start from scratch, with the goal of recreating a stunning, large scale, historical Chinese battle with super human warriors you can play as.
That's why I want them to use the 4k displays and allow them to have 9 vs 9 Local multiplayer / internet play.
Modern 4k Displays can do 3x3 720p split screen.

Imagine having 9x of your friends all playing DW against another team with 9 human players on their end.

Or 9 vs 9 vs 9 on certain maps.

All running on PS5/XSX.

Yeah, you have to get Sony / MS to increase the controller count, but I'm sure they can do it if they really wanted to.

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NeonOctopus
06/15/22 3:44:32 PM
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What's even going on in that image? <_< Did they bang or something?


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DarkRoast
06/15/22 4:26:42 PM
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https://youtu.be/58VyD_I5tcA
Uh oh jam alert


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Turbam
06/15/22 4:28:06 PM
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I thought that they went open world with 10?

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ultimate reaver
06/15/22 4:34:37 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
What's even going on in that image? <_< Did they bang or something?

its from an anime where zhuge liang gets his last wish of wanting to live in a peaceful era by reincarnated in the middle of modern japan. he wonders confused into a night club and meets a musician girl who he gets totally entranced by the voice of and decides to use his strategy skills to get her a famous music career

i dont remember what exactly made her react that way but that scene is basically him spending the night learning about random modern stuff. theres very little dirty humor in it and at least as far as i watched he doesnt seem to be into her


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NeonOctopus
06/15/22 4:37:56 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
theres very little dirty humor in it and at least as far as i watched he doesnt seem to be into her
Aw man. Thanks for the context though!

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FLOUR
06/15/22 5:17:31 PM
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That said, I don't know how anyone can read that novel and not conclude that all three founders in the story were absolute monsters, even the "virtuous" Liu Bei.

It's been awhile since I read the novel, but what atrocities did Liu Bei commit?

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El Marsh
06/15/22 5:59:49 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
its from an anime where zhuge liang gets his last wish of wanting to live in a peaceful era by reincarnated in the middle of modern japan. he wonders confused into a night club and meets a musician girl who he gets totally entranced by the voice of and decides to use his strategy skills to get her a famous music career

i dont remember what exactly made her react that way but that scene is basically him spending the night learning about random modern stuff. theres very little dirty humor in it and at least as far as i watched he doesnt seem to be into her
That's amazing


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Spidey5
06/15/22 6:11:56 PM
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Kongming is one of the best shows of the season.

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ultimate reaver
06/15/22 6:15:26 PM
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FLOUR posted...
That said, I don't know how anyone can read that novel and not conclude that all three founders in the story were absolute monsters, even the "virtuous" Liu Bei.

It's been awhile since I read the novel, but what atrocities did Liu Bei commit?

One of the funniest parts of the novel to me is that it portrays Lu Bu as a man with no loyalty who betrays people on a dime, which isn't altogether inaccurate, but Liu Bei does it about as much as him and yet is a total saint.

-He betrays Cao Cao, who's treated him super well for a good while, because he recieves a "secret edict from the emperor"(which is a plot device used constantly throughout it and almost never actually a legitimate thing that happened, just something people say to excuse themselves)

-Founds Shu on the betrayal of Liu Zhang, who originally invited him in to assist him in the defense of Yi Province. Which honestly isn't that far off from what happens with the super evil Dong Zhuo early in the novel.

-Betrays Sun Quan, his ally at the time, by taking a valuable province that would have allowed Wu an inroad to invade Wei by claiming they were just using it as a temporary staging area and never returning it. This triggers a long chain of events which basically spells the beginning of the end of Shu.

He's really merciless on top of that. Liu Bei kills guys on the reg throughout the novel that he isn't exactly open enemies with and there is always an excuse about them having secretly turned to banditry or having done something else bad and not giving Liu Bei any choice but to have their head lopped off. Like there's always an excuse, but when you realize how fictionalized Romance is it starts to look faker and faker

And this is more a personal annoyance from me because his character is so frustrating through most of the story, but it was pretty awful that Liu Bei continued to employ Zhang Fei with a high rank at all. Zhang Fei in Romance is super unstable, likes to get drunk and beat the shit out of his own men, and multiple times through drunkenness or sheer incompetence gets large amounts of people killed because he wants to pick fights with people like Lu Bu. Even Liu Bei points out how shit Zhang Fei is at being in charge of anyone but never really does anything about it.


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divot1338
06/15/22 6:16:24 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/1/AAeEwGAADWAb.jpg
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I dont get it.

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DarkRoast
06/16/22 8:35:54 PM
#38:


ultimate reaver posted...
One of the funniest parts of the novel to me is that it portrays Lu Bu as a man with no loyalty who betrays people on a dime, which isn't altogether inaccurate, but Liu Bei does it about as much as him and yet is a total saint.

-He betrays Cao Cao, who's treated him super well for a good while, because he recieves a "secret edict from the emperor"(which is a plot device used constantly throughout it and almost never actually a legitimate thing that happened, just something people say to excuse themselves)

-Founds Shu on the betrayal of Liu Zhang, who originally invited him in to assist him in the defense of Yi Province. Which honestly isn't that far off from what happens with the super evil Dong Zhuo early in the novel.

-Betrays Sun Quan, his ally at the time, by taking a valuable province that would have allowed Wu an inroad to invade Wei by claiming they were just using it as a temporary staging area and never returning it. This triggers a long chain of events which basically spells the beginning of the end of Shu.

He's really merciless on top of that. Liu Bei kills guys on the reg throughout the novel that he isn't exactly open enemies with and there is always an excuse about them having secretly turned to banditry or having done something else bad and not giving Liu Bei any choice but to have their head lopped off. Like there's always an excuse, but when you realize how fictionalized Romance is it starts to look faker and faker

And this is more a personal annoyance from me because his character is so frustrating through most of the story, but it was pretty awful that Liu Bei continued to employ Zhang Fei with a high rank at all. Zhang Fei in Romance is super unstable, likes to get drunk and beat the shit out of his own men, and multiple times through drunkenness or sheer incompetence gets large amounts of people killed because he wants to pick fights with people like Lu Bu. Even Liu Bei points out how shit Zhang Fei is at being in charge of anyone but never really does anything about it.

In the true historical records, Liu Bei could at very best be described as a typical Warlord, serving only himself and willing to pretty much sacrifice anyone to escape. In fact, Cao Cao was basically the only one of the major warlords featured in the book who, in real life, made any attempt at all to establish normalcy and return imperial stability.

One of the more common arguments made lately is that the well-deserved admiration for his strategist, Zhuge Liang (who by nearly every account was considered a legitimate genius), somehow retroactively made Liu Bei more admired than he deserved.

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Touch
06/16/22 8:40:08 PM
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Cao Cao did nothing wrong

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KamenRiderBlade
06/16/22 9:03:49 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
In the true historical records, Liu Bei could at very best be described as a typical Warlord, serving only himself and willing to pretty much sacrifice anyone to escape. In fact, Cao Cao was basically the only one of the major warlords featured in the book who, in real life, made any attempt at all to establish normalcy and return imperial stability.

One of the more common arguments made lately is that the well-deserved admiration for his strategist, Zhuge Liang (who by nearly every account was considered a legitimate genius), somehow retroactively made Liu Bei more admired than he deserved.
So basically, Cao Cao was a much nicer guy then what was portrayed in Dynasty Warriors.

Liu Bei was more of a scum bag IRL.

Zhuge Liang really went to town on propaganda in making Liu Bei look good and it seems to have worked for quite a long time until relatively recently.

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Touch
06/16/22 9:09:49 PM
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Never forget Liu Bei

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