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Kami_no_Kami
05/30/22 6:07:51 PM
#102:


Maybe someone in power could have enough balls to interpret the 2nd amendment correctly, and we could go from there.
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meralonne
05/30/22 6:13:46 PM
#103:


Kami_no_Kami posted...
Maybe someone in power could have enough balls to interpret the 2nd amendment correctly, and we could go from there.
Never gonna happen while the gun lobby lines the pockets of US Senators.

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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 7:32:55 PM
#104:


I've already said it, but arm everyone. I think many, MANY, problems would get sorted out very quickly.

For like, 6 months there'd be a rapid and stark increase in homicides. Likely from hot-headed assholes. But after they're all shot and killed, I think there's be almost no violence at all.

Then society would just have a lot less assholes and idiots.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 7:54:16 PM
#105:


PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
I've already said it, but arm everyone.
america tried that already and it made the problem way worse. nothing you people will try will work except for heavy gun restrictions like every other country where this is a solved problem. you have two options. restrict guns, or accept mass shootings and school shootings and own it. nobody with morals accepts the latter
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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 7:57:11 PM
#106:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
america tried that already and it made the problem way worse. nothing you people will try will work except for heavy gun restrictions like every other country where this is a solved problem. you have two options. restrict guns, or accept mass shootings and school shootings and own it. nobody with morals accepts the latter
Shut up. Don't call me "you people" like you know shit about me.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:00:43 PM
#107:


PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
Shut up. Don't call me "you people" like you know shit about me.
"you people" as in gun supporters. of course I know you people. don't pretend like your beliefs aren't stereotypical and easily proven incorrect
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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 8:06:43 PM
#108:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
"you people" as in gun supporters. of course I know you people. don't pretend like your beliefs aren't stereotypical and easily proven incorrect
Go ahead. What are my beliefs then? Prove you know what you're talking about. And not just about firearms. What do I think about abortion? Taxes? School funding, socialized medicine, military spending? Do you know the answer to any of these?

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/30/22 8:07:57 PM
#109:


Just implement some of the things that literally every other country is doing that cuts down on mass shooting incidents

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:08:03 PM
#110:


PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
What are my beliefs then?
"more guns will solve our issues"

PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
I've already said it, but arm everyone. I think many, MANY, problems would get sorted out very quickly

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VigorouslySwish
05/30/22 8:09:57 PM
#111:


they need to ban doors

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TreyFlowers
05/30/22 8:10:59 PM
#112:


Ban guns like we did in Australia. No mass shootings since 1996

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Malcrasternus
05/30/22 8:14:54 PM
#113:


Kloe is definitely part of the "please do something" crowd, where that something is to pass more restrictions and financial walls that put minorities and the poor at an even greater disadvantage.

Personal protection, only if you're rich enough to afford it.

Training, classes, safes, locks, all these things should be free, or even incentivized by the government. But they won't be. Anti gun people can't look 10 feet ahead of them. Just to ban, restrict, make criminals out of the law abiding.

Sounds like a GREAT idea.

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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 8:16:42 PM
#114:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
"more guns will solve our issues"
Yeah but what else? Do you know where I live?

Maybe I live in a city where firearms are banned, and I'm tired of seeing and hearing about people being robbed and killed because they have no way to defend themselves, and this might make a difference. You ever think about that?

Besides. Not what I asked about. What do I think of the current state of the police? Or immigration. Come on know it all, since I'm so predictable and stereotypical, these should be easy questions. What do you actually know about me?

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TreyFlowers
05/30/22 8:23:05 PM
#115:


The question I have for Americans is, do you look at America and the way America is with its gun laws, healthcare, wage disparity, and think that other countries should be like America? Do pro-life, pro-gun people think that America actually is the greatest country in the world and other countries should be like America?

Do you think that countries like Australia, Denmark, Finland, should be more like America?

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:23:15 PM
#116:


PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
Do you know where I live?
a country where "more guns" did not resolve the school shooting and mass shooting crisis
PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
Maybe I live in a city where firearms are banned
restrictions like that are irrelevant when you can walk outside the restriction zone and buy a gun somewhere where they aren't restricted
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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:25:50 PM
#117:


TreyFlowers posted...
pro-life, pro-gun people
directly contradicting beliefs and solidifies the stereotype that those people are only "pro life" until the kid is born, after which it is irrelevant to them if the kid dies in a school shooting
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TreyFlowers
05/30/22 8:27:56 PM
#118:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/7/AAeIGpAADSNZ.jpg


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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 8:28:21 PM
#119:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
a country where "more guns" did not resolve the school shooting and mass shooting crisis

restrictions like that are irrelevant when you can walk outside the restriction zone and buy a gun somewhere where they aren't restricted
What a fool. You can't say a single thing about me because you'd have to admit you're wrong. Maybe I live in a town where everyone carries and there hasn't been a murder in 25 years. Maybe I don't even live in the US. Maybe I used too. Whose to say. You clearly have no interest in honest debate, because you'd rather just say, "oh, you're just a stereotypical gun supporter, your opinion can be discarded."

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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 8:29:30 PM
#120:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
directly contradicting beliefs and solidifies the stereotype that those people are only "pro life" until the kid is born, after which it is irrelevant to them if the kid dies in a school shooting
Go ahead, I'll ask again. What are my beliefs on abortion? Go on, tell the class.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:42:16 PM
#121:


I've stated two things about you which you didn't deny. That's irrelevant to the actual discussion which is preventing preventable school shootings to which neither you or the moderator have presented a viable solution for. Justify why every country that has solved this problem is wrong and you are right. With statistics if you would.
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Dark_Spiret
05/30/22 8:45:47 PM
#122:


TreyFlowers posted...
Ban guns like we did in Australia. No mass shootings since 1996
i wish poeple would stop using this as an example of anything. same with the UK. they dont work.
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PaunchyTurtle53
05/30/22 8:47:06 PM
#123:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
I've stated two things about you which you didn't deny. That's irrelevant to the actual discussion


Kloe_Rinz posted...
"you people" as in gun supporters. of course I know you people. don't pretend like your beliefs aren't stereotypical and easily proven incorrect

Come on, which is it. Am I a stereotype? Or does it not matter? After all, you're the one who brought it up. So let's go down this avenue a bit more. After all, you didn't even ask why I support private firearm ownership. Or do you think that doesn't matter, because you already know the answer?

Also, you didn't state shit about me. You just regurgitated my own words. You didn't make a single claim of your own. Because you're unable too.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 8:57:40 PM
#124:


PaunchyTurtle53 posted...
Am I a stereotype?
you're certainly behaving like one
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MrToothHasYou
05/30/22 9:11:28 PM
#125:


Is simply overthrowing capitalism an option?

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DarthAragorn
05/30/22 9:14:10 PM
#126:


Dark_Spiret posted...
i wish poeple would stop using this as an example of anything. same with the UK. they dont work.
Except the fact they did work but okay

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Chunkey Simmons
05/30/22 9:26:10 PM
#127:


pretty much all of the mass shootings happened in gun-free zones, so that means the active shooter has a gun, but no one else does so there's no way to defend against the shooter

I don't think gun control is the solution, because, one way or another, people will find a way to obtain guns illegally. If there's a way to make guns magically disappear for everyone who isn't a police officer or using it for essential work, then yes I'm fine with gun control being the solution. But otherwise I think bringing a gun to an environment where people are unarmed is the problem.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 9:31:25 PM
#128:


Chunkey Simmons posted...
gun-free zones
America does not have any gun free zones because a small zone in the middle of a country with no wider restrictions is useless. gun restrictions will only work when its universal
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DarthAragorn
05/30/22 9:33:07 PM
#129:


Chunkey Simmons posted...
pretty much all of the mass shootings happened in gun-free zones, so that means the active shooter has a gun, but no one else does so there's no way to defend against the shooter

I don't think gun control is the solution, because, one way or another, people will find a way to obtain guns illegally. If there's a way to make guns magically disappear for everyone who isn't a police officer or using it for essential work, then yes I'm fine with gun control being the solution. But otherwise I think bringing a gun to an environment where people are unarmed is the problem.
Hey bud here's a question for you

Why do laws exist if criminals will just break them anyway

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Dark_Spiret
05/30/22 9:37:21 PM
#130:


DarthAragorn posted...
Except the fact they did work but okay
no, they really didnt. gun violence was going down for years prior to the buy back and afterwards other methods overtook the guns (including 3 of the worst arson mass killings in the countries history which was very rare if non-existent before the buyback) they also like to leave out the dozen family mass murders, many involving guns in their statistics. the UK example is even worse since theyve only had 3 mass shootings in their entire countries history, one of which was just last year.
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Chunkey Simmons
05/30/22 9:41:50 PM
#131:


DarthAragorn posted...
Hey bud here's a question for you

Why do laws exist if criminals will just break them anyway
that is my point. gun control isn't gonna work if people are going to circumvent it anyway

Kloe_Rinz posted...
America does not have any gun free zones because a small zone in the middle of a country with no wider restrictions is useless. gun restrictions will only work when its universal
I haven't looked at the official rulebooks or anything, but I don't think guns are allowed at any universities or schools I've seen. that is what I mean by gun-free

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lightwarrior78
05/30/22 9:50:36 PM
#132:


DarthAragorn posted...
Hey bud here's a question for you

Why do laws exist if criminals will just break them anyway
To have a baseline punishment and justification to do so when harm is done. You can't do much when people don't know what they're not allowed to do. Some people just get to a point where deterrence isn't going to work. It's why gun control would at best lower the body count. We'd just have less dead kids, not no dead kids. We might get more if people get smart about other ways to kill.

The issues are mental and cultural in ways that won't be solved by throwing money at therapists that will teach mindfullness exercises and other bullshit. People need a sense of hope and positivity in their life. Friends, a decent job, a purpose in life. People that don't want to be friends with the weird kid, or let them have a job, or get laid, that's a breeding ground for people that are likely to do dumb things for attention, for vengence, for a sense of self defense from potential harm.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 9:52:30 PM
#133:


Chunkey Simmons posted...
that is what I mean by gun-free
thats not how any of this works. if you can walk outside of the gun free zone and buy a gun and walk back into the gun free zone with a gun, its not a gun free zone. it's like how putting up "no littering" signs doesn't prevent people from littering. there needs to be a country wide restriction on guns put in place, with teeth to punish those who do not comply. any less or anything else is ineffective and wont prevent preventable school shootings
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Zelda_Aran
05/30/22 9:58:21 PM
#134:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
thats not how any of this works. if you can walk outside of the gun free zone and buy a gun and walk back into the gun free zone with a gun, its not a gun free zone. it's like how putting up "no littering" signs doesn't prevent people from littering. there needs to be a country wide restriction on guns put in place, with teeth to punish those who do not comply. any less or anything else is ineffective and wont prevent preventable school shootings
I guess i should ask if you are talking a full-gun confiscation or just heavy restrictions put in place? Just curious is all.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/30/22 10:02:34 PM
#135:


TreyFlowers posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/7/AAeIGpAADSNZ.jpg
God damn, thats fucking dark.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 10:14:09 PM
#136:


Zelda_Aran posted...
heavy restrictions
this one. there's obviously exceptions which should be made. defending farm fields/livestock from pests is one. but the average person shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun
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Chunkey Simmons
05/30/22 10:42:55 PM
#137:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
thats not how any of this works. if you can walk outside of the gun free zone and buy a gun and walk back into the gun free zone with a gun, its not a gun free zone. it's like how putting up "no littering" signs doesn't prevent people from littering. there needs to be a country wide restriction on guns put in place, with teeth to punish those who do not comply. any less or anything else is ineffective and wont prevent preventable school shootings
I mean inside the buildings they are gun-free. If one other person had a gun inside the building besides the active shooter, that would be a better situation for someone to defend.

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Kloe_Rinz
05/30/22 11:00:07 PM
#138:


Chunkey Simmons posted...
I mean inside the buildings they are gun-free.
what im saying is a "gun free zone" sign doesnt actually make the place a gun free zone in actual fact. you've been fed the wrong idea entirely and thats where your misconception is from. if 10 steps outside the building is not a gun free zone, it doesnt matter how many "no guns allowed" signs there are at the entrance
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thronedfire2
05/30/22 11:12:41 PM
#139:


Chunkey Simmons posted...
I mean inside the buildings they are gun-free. If one other person had a gun inside the building besides the active shooter, that would be a better situation for someone to defend.

yes but the point is the situation shouldn't be happening at all

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VigorouslySwish
05/30/22 11:13:40 PM
#140:


The doors must GO

These doors are killing innocent people

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hockeybub89
05/30/22 11:18:19 PM
#141:


thronedfire2 posted...
yes but the point is the situation shouldn't be happening at all
People seem to want to accept the threat and figure out how to minimize it, rather than prevent the situation in the first place.

It's like ignoring all the flammable substances around the pool of gasoline and focusing on how quickly we can put out the fire.

Which seems moot when the firefighters might just stand around and let it burn so they don't get hurt.

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hockeybub89
05/30/22 11:31:29 PM
#142:


Maybe people should move to some third-world shithole if they want to go to sleep with their gun and take it to the supermarket with them.

I'm going to not own a gun, or at least not carry one, even harder just because I refuse to live in fear and accept that the country I live in is an irredeemable hellhole. It's time America join the 21st Century, or own that it is uncivilized and violent.

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Spiritlittle
05/30/22 11:32:27 PM
#143:


DarthAragorn posted...
Except the fact they did work but okay


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