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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:13:47 AM
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Oh no! A bad guy stronger than the last bad guy is attacking the universe for reasons! Goku will have to yell really loud and change the color of his hair......again again again again.....

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YookaLaylee
05/19/22 10:14:34 AM
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It wasnt really formulaic until the Androids/Cell arc started

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CaptainStrong
05/19/22 10:15:09 AM
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What isn't formulaic?
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Solar_Crimson
05/19/22 10:15:31 AM
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I mean, it's a battle shonen. Of course it's formulaic.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:18:01 AM
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They introduce more characters yet Gokus gonna yell real loud and change the color of his hair that the rest just give up.

Vegetas obligated to be a certain power level for Vegeto/Gogeta.....and thats all....

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Back_Stabbath
05/19/22 10:18:57 AM
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its fine as a sunday morning kids cartoon, but it doesn't really stand up to other big animes. and i say that with big love for dbz, mainly out of nostalgia. DBS Tournament of power was cool but the rest of it sucks

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YookaLaylee
05/19/22 10:20:17 AM
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Back_Stabbath posted...
its fine as a sunday morning kids cartoon, but it doesn't really stand up to other big animes. and i say that with big love for dbz, mainly out of nostalgia. DBS Tournament of power was cool but the rest of it sucks

I just finished watching the tournament of power and I thought that it kind of sucked except for the Ultra Instinct Goku Vs Kefla scene. That was the coolest Kamehameha hes ever done

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Prismsblade
05/19/22 10:22:21 AM
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It is, but with there being a definitive ending eventually... its formulaic progression was never really a issue. Now the series is trying to move ahead like a western comicbook but maintain its prior progression which simply doesn't work.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:22:23 AM
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They made a HUGE deal out of red hair like it changed the whole show. Then he immediately got blue hair after. Now hes got white hair...

Damn, thats some evolution right there.

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Solar_Crimson
05/19/22 10:22:37 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
I just finished watching the tournament of power and I thought that it kind of sucked except for the Ultra Instinct Goku Vs Kefla scene. That was the coolest Kamehameha hes ever done
The Tournament of Power was a great concept, but in execution was just terrible.

What should have been an 8-universe battle royale basically ended up being all the other universes lining up to just fight Universe 7 (and with Goku being involved in most of those fights).

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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:23:04 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
It is, but with there being a definitive ending eventually... its formulaic progression was never really a issue. Now the series is trying to move ahead like a western comicbook but maintain its prior progression which simply doesn't work.

Id be blown away if it ended. I dont believe it will...

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Akagami_Shanks
05/19/22 10:23:52 AM
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it prides itself on being a generic battle shonen. Hard to use it as an insult.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
05/19/22 10:25:05 AM
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VandorLee posted...
They made a HUGE deal out of red hair like it changed the whole show. Then he immediately got blue hair after. Now hes got white hair...

Damn, thats some evolution right there.

Did he get any of those new forms by just yelling really loud?

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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:25:44 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Did he get any of those new forms by just yelling really loud?

All of them.

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YookaLaylee
05/19/22 10:32:02 AM
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Super is fucking ass. I hate what they've done to my fav manga/anime.

It took me years to even watch it because of how much I disliked the ressurection F movie. It bugs me how Goku's has regressed so much that it almost seems like he has brain damage lol. And the obsession with reaching even more ridiculous power levels has gotten out of control. Its completely devalued everything that's happened up until this point and it makes it hard to understand how strong anyone really is anymore

VandorLee posted...


All of them.

He gained ultra instinct by completely letting go. There wasn't a scream for that because he wasn't trying to make it happen

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Squall28
05/19/22 10:34:26 AM
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Dragon Ball put the formula on the map.

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LinkFanatic
05/19/22 10:35:37 AM
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Most shounen is formulaic. But yes.

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Solar_Crimson
05/19/22 10:39:38 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
It took me years to even watch it because of how much I disliked the ressurection F movie. It bugs me how Goku's has regressed so much that it almost seems like he has brain damage lol.
Yeah. He wasn't exactly a genius back in DBZ, but Super just makes it seem like he really does have significant brain damage (which I guess he does, since he did hit his head as a child which removed his Saiyan urges to destroy/conquer Earth, but Super makes him seem more like a [REDACTED] than ever before). Especially when they show that he--a married man with two children--doesn't even know what a kiss is.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 10:57:39 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
It took me years to even watch it because of how much I disliked the ressurection F movie. It bugs me how Goku's has regressed so much that it almost seems like he has brain damage lol. And the obsession with reaching even more ridiculous power levels has gotten out of control. Its completely devalued everything that's happened up until this point and it makes it hard to understand how strong anyone really is anymore

He gained ultra instinct by completely letting go. There wasn't a scream for that because he wasn't trying to make it happen

I guess he made it up in the Tournament of Power by yelling louder than hes ever yelled before. They added base to it as well

Edit: I wanted to see Res of F so bad and when i did ot was absolutely awful...

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Veggeta_MAX
05/19/22 11:02:09 AM
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It has been for many years and it's not gonna change.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 11:04:21 AM
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Let me pull something out my ass:

Gogeta/Vegeto with perfected ultra ego and instinct. Its probably already a thing. I made that up.

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Legato-and-Vash
05/19/22 11:09:38 AM
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Yea, the way they did Goku in Super made me not want to watch anymore. And I watched DBZ RELIGIOUSLY as a kid. I haven't made it past the Resurrection of F movie. Which sucks because I really wanted to get into Super. Especially to see the new saiyans and whatnot.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 11:12:50 AM
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Like Res of F had me pumped like Frieza would kick ass. Like that was my bar for the movie. His form sucked. Really hard. Whats the point of this movie!?

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Scotty_Rogers
05/19/22 11:13:34 AM
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Dragon Ball was always bad.

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E_S_M_Z
05/19/22 11:14:41 AM
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VandorLee posted...
They made a HUGE deal out of red hair like it changed the whole show. Then he immediately got blue hair after. Now hes got white hair...

Damn, thats some evolution right there.

It's called "character development"!

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Ving_Rhames
05/19/22 11:15:39 AM
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Anime.

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VandorLee
05/19/22 11:16:10 AM
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E_S_M_Z posted...
It's called "character development"!

Like not yelling yet going right back to yelling?

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Lord_of_BeefDip
05/19/22 11:22:30 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Yeah. He wasn't exactly a genius back in DBZ, but Super just makes it seem like he really does have significant brain damage (which I guess he does, since he did hit his head as a child which removed his Saiyan urges to destroy/conquer Earth, but Super makes him seem more like a [REDACTED] than ever before). Especially when they show that he--a married man with two children--doesn't even know what a kiss is.

Super really went all in on flanderizing the hell out of him. DBS Goku is honestly in many ways dumber than his DB Abridged self, which is impressive considering Abridged Goku was literally a parody with his stupidity amped way up for comedic effect. At least later on in Abridged he had a bit more nuance, and had fleeting moments of brilliance. And his ignorance was usually at least amusing otherwise.

Chi Chi was hit really bad too. She had largely mellowed out by the Buu saga...only to be regressed to a level worse than anything the anime (Which almost always played up her negative traits.) had done to her in DBZ.

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Nazanir
05/19/22 11:24:06 AM
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It was okay, but after Goku Black it became bad.

ToP was the worst arc ever, and I dare say that GT was better than Super overall.

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AP3Brain
05/19/22 11:24:40 AM
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Yeah. Thats why people like it.
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Solar_Crimson
05/19/22 11:28:59 AM
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Lord_of_BeefDip posted...
Super really went all in on flanderizing the hell out of him. DBS Goku is honestly in many ways dumber than his DB Abridged self, which is impressive considering Abridged Goku was literally a parody with his stupidity amped way up for comedic effect. At least later on in Abridged he had a bit more nuance, and had fleeting moments of brilliance. And his ignorance was usually at least amusing otherwise.

Chi Chi was hit really bad too. She had largely mellowed out by the Buu saga...only to be regressed to a level worse than anything the anime (Which almost always played up her negative traits.) had done to her in DBZ.

It was just worse with Goku because he has so much more screen time.
Yeah, they flanderized everyone. Vegeta at the end of Buu accepted that Goku was better than him and had mellowed out. But in Super, he's just as competitive and short-tempered as ever.

And then there's Trunks and Goten.

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Xethuminra
05/19/22 11:36:56 AM
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Seeing Dragon Ball tackle a slightly more mature story would be cool. Like, what if everyone lost their powers and aliens took over Earth?
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Solar_Crimson
05/19/22 11:40:54 AM
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Xethuminra posted...
Seeing Dragon Ball tackle a slightly more mature story would be cool. Like, what if everyone lost their powers and aliens took over Earth?
That was kind of the Future Trunks arc in Super. Goku Black/Zamasu invaded and killed almost everyone in Earth and Future Trunks is the only one left who has powers to even try to stand up to them, but it's a losing battle.

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Nukazie
05/19/22 8:12:46 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
What isn't formulaic?

this

maybe it's me but i want goku going balls deep in chi chi in the next arc

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Ratchetrockon
05/19/22 8:14:51 PM
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that is just normal stuff

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Nazanir
05/20/22 1:47:14 AM
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SSB became a literal joke during ToP. Gohan could match it, 17 matched it, Hit could top it, etc.

And if MUI was just a big thing that even the gods would stand up, why was Jiren equally strong? Why wasn't Kefla a threat to Jiren?

I could go on...

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SomeLikeItHoth
05/20/22 2:26:26 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Dragon Ball was always bad.

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E_S_M_Z
05/20/22 3:25:05 PM
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I mean, I guess it's "formulaic" if your idea of "formulaic" is "produced in accordance with a slavishly followed rule or style".

You know, if you're a poser.

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VandorLee
05/20/22 3:26:43 PM
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E_S_M_Z posted...
I mean, I guess it's "formulaic" if your idea of "formulaic" is "produced in accordance with a slavishly followed rule or style".

You know, if you're a poser.

When your mom screams loudly or changes her hair color i dont consider either "slavishly followed style"

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SpoiltTrouser
05/20/22 3:39:17 PM
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astute observation tc, I don't think anyone would've thought to describe dragon ball as formulaic.

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E_S_M_Z
05/20/22 3:41:28 PM
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VandorLee posted...
When your mom screams loudly or changes her hair color i dont consider either "slavishly followed style"


So you don't think it's formulaic. Your hyprocrisy is as glowing as Goku's varying hair colors.

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VandorLee
05/20/22 4:59:05 PM
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E_S_M_Z posted...
So you don't think it's formulaic. Your hyprocrisy is as glowing as Goku's varying hair colors.

Slavishly followed style isnt formulaic. You might as well say its formula is perfection.....

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E_S_M_Z
05/20/22 5:30:20 PM
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VandorLee posted...
Slavishly followed style isnt formulaic. You might as well say its formula is perfection.....

I might as well, but I'm not going to. No means no!

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Gobstoppers12
05/20/22 5:31:46 PM
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Lol imagine saying this as if it's a fresh observation. We all know. We still love it.

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DrizztLink
05/20/22 5:35:44 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
That was kind of the Future Trunks arc in Super. Goku Black/Zamasu invaded and killed almost everyone in Earth and Future Trunks is the only one left who has powers to even try to stand up to them, but it's a losing battle.
It might not be the best defense of DB's story structure to point out Future Trunks 2 having the exact same story as Future Trunks 1 with the proper nouns changed.

In terms of arguing against it being formulaic, I mean.

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YookaLaylee
05/20/22 7:45:30 PM
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DrizztLink posted...

It might not be the best defense of DB's story structure to point out Future Trunks 2 having the exact same story as Future Trunks 1 with the proper nouns changed.

In terms of arguing against it being formulaic, I mean.

>.>

Its technically not the same exact story because the Cell Saga took place in the present and whereas the second Future Trunks arc mostly took place in the future lol

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