Current Events > Question about Warhammer data sheets and power rating ALSO question about saves

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Let's look at the Primarius Lieutenant for example:

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Primaris-Lieutenant

What are the +15 and +5 next to some of the weapons? I thought this meant if I equip him with that weapon then his power rating increases, but I'm not so sure.

Why 15 for the neo volkite pistol when he can get it for +1 with the storm shield?
Why can't I take the rifle and the storm shield? can I?

SECOND QUESTION:

If a unit has a invulnerability save, like this guy does, does he roll that save and THEN roll an armor save? or does invul save take the place of the other save?

im not super knowledgeable about rules but power rating and point costs are two different systems that determine your army's power. you use one or the other, not both. most games balance at a certain point (ie 2000 pt armies is the most common afaik) pretty much everyone ignores power ratings and uses point cost instead

the +15 is + to points cost. so a 75 pt model with a +15 from wargear would be a 90pt model. the +1 to power rating for the storm shield combo would make it a 5 power rating i guess

ooooo ok.

so for, let's say an outrider squad,
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Outrider-Squad

it costs 100 points?

Any idea about invulnerability saves? do they stack with your normal Sv roll?

Robot2600 posted...

ooooo ok.

so for, let's say an outrider squad,
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/space-marines/Outrider-Squad

it costs 100 points?

Any idea about invulnerability saves? do they stack with your normal Sv roll?

i think so, but idk. battle scribe is the app people use for point based army list building i think.

idk ive got like $10k worth of models for various armies 40k and AoS but i played one game and didnt really like it lol. i just paint

xD awesome! You wanna post pics of your paint jobs?

I'm playing with proxy figures just trying to figure out how to play. It's hard to google answers to questions though, compared to say, DnD or ShadowRun.

One thing I don't get about point buy notation:

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/necrons/Necron-Warriors

necro warriors cost 13, but is that 13 points for each model or 13 points for 10-20 models? Thinking about it, it seems like it must mean 13 points PER MODEL?

So the outrider squad would be 150 points for all 3 dudes?

Someone else help me out!

So the points and power levels are two different ways to play the game.

Power level is easier and more straight forward. It can lead to some imbalance though as you get upgrades and gear easier/free. Some armies can become alot more powerful that way, where in Matched play there are limits on gear/upgrades.

Points are used for Matched Play. Which is the real deal and how most people play. 1000 points, 1500 points and 2000 points are the usual levels people play at.

If a model costs 13 points then they are each that many. Same goes for gear. If a gun costs 5 points then every model that has that adds 5 points. Example from above. Your necron warrior is 13 points.You give that model an upgraded/nonstock gun for 5 points then they are now 18 points for that model.

Invulnerable saves are very very good and are separate from your normal one. Usually shown in writing as ++ symbol. Inv saves help you against Armor penetration or AP for short. Your normal save will get degraded if you go up against a good gun or weapon with good AP. But if you have an inv save then you still have a chance of saving a wound. So you use your normal armor save first (easier to modify and sometimes its lower which you want) but if your inv is better you use that.

Hope this helps!

Robot2600 posted...

xD awesome! You wanna post pics of your paint jobs?

I'm playing with proxy figures just trying to figure out how to play. It's hard to google answers to questions though, compared to say, DnD or ShadowRun.

One thing I don't get about point buy notation:

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/necrons/Necron-Warriors

necro warriors cost 13, but is that 13 points for each model or 13 points for 10-20 models? Thinking about it, it seems like it must mean 13 points PER MODEL?

So the outrider squad would be 150 points for all 3 dudes?

Someone else help me out!

outriders look like 2 for 50 points and 1 sergeant for 50, so 100 total. idk if you can have a bigger squad than that.

necron warriors look like the minimum squad size is 10 and the max is 20, at 13 pts per model.

i mainly paint AoS stuff
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/1/AADGjTAADN7F.jpg

for 40k i have an ork army but I don't play it
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/2/AADGjTAADN7G.jpg

i hate painting space marines. painted one and then never again
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/3/AADGjTAADN7H.jpg

well goddamn those are nice. hope i can do anything that looks passable!

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Invulnerable saves are very very good and are separate from your normal one. Usually shown in writing as ++ symbol. Inv saves help you against Armor penetration or AP for short. Your normal save will get degraded if you go up against a good gun or weapon with good AP. But if you have an inv save then you still have a chance of saving a wound. So you use your normal armor save first (easier to modify and sometimes its lower which you want) but if your inv is better you use that.

this was a huge help but I still have a question. You say "Invulnerable saves are very very good and are separate from your normal one." but they later you say if inv is better, then use that.

So lets say I have a lieutenant with Storm Shield being hit with guass flayer and 4 wounds go through. I have a 2+ save and a 4+ invulnerable save.

The flayer has AP 1 so my regular save is 3+ and invulnerable is 4+.

So I roll regular save and I get a 2, failing the roll. Do I then roll an invul save for a second chance to negate the damage?

If the first roll succeeded, do I still get another roll for a chance to negate 2 wounds?

Also for the outriders, is it 150 or 100 points? I suspect 150?

Downloading Battle Scribe app now, I think this is the thing everyone uses? Frustrating that the free core rules don't actually have all the rules. Im planning on getting the books I just wanna actually play before I buy them. seems pretty reasonable! no one buys dnd stuff without first playing dnd.

more question, still on the lieutenant.

if i want to change his gear options, is that fine if the gear doesn't have a cost with it?

I'm thinking instead of bolt rifle, give him a storm shield, for example. I get that storm shields take 1 arm to equip (makes sense) but is that the only requirement for him to use a storm shield? no 2-handers?

also still unclear on if invul saves and regular saves BOTH happen or if you just pick ONE.

Okay found the rule in a youtube video, you can only make one of your saves, regardless.

Additional question: let's say a model is taking 5 wounds... do i roll 5 save dice? or just 1 die?

Oubliettes, you are also welcome to spam your painting in this topic if you want. I wanna see that blue guy with a fork head covered in eyeballs.

lol sure

my tzeentch stuff was actually some of the first stuff i painted when i got into AoS and i had just started experimenting with shading so its not as detailed as some of my other stuff. these guys are part of the silver tower Warhammer quest set

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/7/AADGjTAADODd.jpg

this is the only army i have fully painted, blades of khorne
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/8/AADGjTAADODe.jpg

i only started painting a few years ago and tbh i dont paint very often. havent painted anything in like a year. if you find a style that works for you it's not too hard to learn how to do some pretty decent stuff tho

model on the right is the first thing i ever painted in 2019
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/9/AADGjTAADODf.jpg

All of my questions have been answered so far except this one:

how many dice do you roll for a save? 1d6 per incoming wound, or 1d6 per model?

(your first model still looks really good. it's fucking sad im actually a painter. ive got a 24"x48" painting in an art show right now, but painting small stuff is totally different and I dont know if i have the patience)

I'm gonna get this no matter what:
https://tinyurl.com/378488dm
(the recruit edition) contains 20 models. we'll see how it goes!