Current Events > NY cops arrest kid over a bag of stolen chips

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VandorLee posted...

That child is a victim.

Of what, facing consequences? How is detaining an underage thief a bad thing? Unless you think police shouldn't respond to misdemeanor theft which I just inherently don't agree with.

K181 posted...

Not really, because jaywalking is a victimless crime, whereas theft is not, and tackling someone is a disproportionately violent response whereas this isn't. If they roughed up the kid or kept him in jail over this, that'd be another matter, but they're detaining a thief and likely have to reach out to their parents.

pretty sure the stores insurance will cover the $2. Its a victimless crime

thronedfire2 posted...

pretty sure the stores insurance will cover the $2. Its a victimless crime

That's a hassle to go through and insurance claims can often require police reports backing it up. Not to mention that even assuming it was no hassle there's a delay on when you'd get compensated, which is a burden on stores with small profit margins. It's not victimless.

thronedfire2 posted...

pretty sure the stores insurance will cover the $2. Its a victimless crime

For some megacorp, maybe. Kid stole from a bodega. The response was way overboard, but justifying casual theft is stupid.

K181 posted...

That's a hassle to go through and insurance claims can often require police reports backing it up. Not to mention that even assuming it was no hassle there's a delay on when you'd get compensated, which is a burden on stores with small profit margins. It's not victimless.

If 3 cops can go through the hassle of manhandling a child over chips then the store owner shouldnt mind.

Necessity really depends on the surrounding context. Is this the first time he's done something like that, or has he done this dozens of times? Is he part of a larger group doing this on a regular basis? Being a child doesn't mean being free from consequence from a repeated action.

They are actively refusing someone to be able to pay for the chips because they want to rough this child up so bad.

VandorLee posted...

If 3 cops can go through the hassle of manhandling a child over chips then the store owner shouldnt mind.

Retail thefts have been on the rise and many municipalities have been instructing their police forces to respond to said thefts to try to lower crime rates. Merely arresting someone isn't manhandling them, and even if the police did over-respond that's not the store owner's fault or responsibility. If a store gets robbed, they call the police.

This is absolutely a disproportionate response and anyone arguing otherwise is either trolling or worse. There is literally no excuse for arresting a child for shoplifting a bag of chips.

It is the stores fault. Calling the cops on a black child is immoral

Nemu posted...

Necessity really depends on the surrounding context. Is this the first time he's done something like that, or has he done this dozens of times? Is he part of a larger group doing this on a regular basis? Being a child doesn't mean being free from consequence from a repeated action.

No!!!
We have to base our opinions entirely on 60-second twitter videos with no context, dammit!

Questionmarktarius posted...

No!!!
We have to base our opinions entirely on 60-second twitter videos with no context, dammit!

and assuming other things not even implied by that video is better? A larger group? LMAO you saying it could be a child ring of chip stealers? jfc man people will say the dumbest shit to justify this garbage.

Kind of a catch 22. Cant just let the kid get away with it but also it was overboard. Also have to consider any possible retaliation against the owner.

TheVipaGTS posted...

jfc man people will say the dumbest shit to justify this garbage.

Much like the dumb shit getting tossed around to defend theft

K181 posted...

Not really, because jaywalking is a victimless crime, whereas theft is not, and tackling someone is a disproportionately violent response whereas this isn't. If they roughed up the kid or kept him in jail over this, that'd be another matter, but they're detaining a thief and likely have to reach out to their parents.

So to be clear, you feel that this is an appropriate response? And that this avenue has the highest likelihood of him "learning his lesson"? post 41

Questionmarktarius posted...

No!!!
We have to base our opinions entirely on 60-second twitter videos with no context, dammit!

While the general point of "context is important" is very true, isn't most of our discussions here based on limited information?

voldothegr8 posted...

Much like the dumb shit getting tossed around to defend theft

What dumb shit? Most everyone saying this is an overreaction and there are other ways that cops can and have handled similar situations. If youre implying that stating cops want to do this for power is defending theft then no, that part is irrelevant to the theft part. This is less than petty theft. Cops do less when you report your laptop stolen but they needed to go all out for a bag of chips? Fuck off lol.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

No you're supposed to be a dumb shitposter keep up the great work

Lmao

Any store willing to ruin a childs life over 2 bucks is a piece of shit. And the police response is totally unnecessary but this is gung ho America after all..

Ruvan22 posted...

So to be clear, you feel that this is an appropriate response? And that this avenue has the highest likelihood of him "learning his lesson"? post 41

Detaining a thief and putting him in a car? Yes, that seems like an appropriate response to me. People are acting like they roughed him him or are assuming he's going to go to jail for a long time (or even acting like a minute clip showed everything that happened, for all we know the kid was wailing and they had to cuff him to prevent him from hitting others or hurting himself).

Sorry, but if you don't want to be treated like a thief, then don't steal from a store. And scaring someone straight is a pretty common way to get someone to learn their lesson.

TheVipaGTS posted...

What dumb shit? Most everyone saying this is an overreaction and there are other ways that cops can and have handled similar situations. If youre implying that stating cops want to do this for power is defending theft then no, that part is irrelevant to the theft part. This is less than petty theft. Cops do less when you report your laptop stolen but they needed to go all out for a bag of chips? Fuck off lol.

If you could individually point out the person that stole your laptop, I'd bet you anything that the police would arrest them like this, too.

The Wheelman1 posted...

Any store willing to ruin a childs life over 2 bucks is a piece of shit.

Being cuffed and put in the back of a squad car is ruining a kid's life now?

Come on, people.

K181 posted...

Being cuffed and put in the back of a squad car is ruining a kid's life now?

Come on, people.

He is in the system now . In the future they will be able to harass him all his life

K181 posted...

That's a hassle to go through and insurance claims can often require police reports backing it up.

if its that much of a hassle let the kid go

Not to mention that even assuming it was no hassle there's a delay on when you'd get compensated, which is a burden on stores with small profit margins. It's not victimless.

Yes the compensation of 8 quarters is really gonna put a strain on the store owner.

No wonder this country is so fucked people call the police over a bag of stolen chips theres murders and rapes happening and we got 3 officers going to investigate stolen lays chips

K181 posted...

Detaining a thief and putting him in a car? Yes, that seems like an appropriate response to me. People are acting like they roughed him him or are assuming he's going to go to jail for a long time (or even acting like a minute clip showed everything that happened, for all we know the kid was wailing and they had to cuff him to prevent him from hitting others or hurting himself).

Sorry, but if you don't want to be treated like a thief, then don't steal from a store. And scaring someone straight is a pretty common way to get someone to learn their lesson.

If you could individually point out the person that stole your laptop, I'd bet you anything that the police would arrest them like this, too.

lmfao what world do you live in? Cops care less about that shit than most things. I know people who have reported theft, Ive seen situations where the person of interest was named. A lot of the times they dont care or they find the item and dont even arrest anyone. This case didnt need 3 cops carrying the kid out. Shame on the cops and the store owner. This is wrong and you know it.

I wonder how our resident boot slurper will justify this...

Zikten posted...

He is in the system now . In the future they will be able to harass him all his life

I think you're vastly overestimating police time and interest in stuff like this. They'll have a record that he did this before, which means that they'll know that a tap on the wrist catch and release (which is probably what's happening here) didn't work. He's not going to get pulled over for speeding a decade from now and then get treated like a monster because he was detained for minor theft.

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You clearly dont understand how this works but im not surprised. If they did a full arrest hed be in the system, prints and all. That could affect him for the rest of his life. Its not some trivial shit.

SSJ5_Goku posted...

I wonder how our resident boot slurper will justify this...

His knee pad army is doing a great job of it ITT already.

TheVipaGTS posted...

If they did a full arrest hed be in the system, prints and all.

For juvenile petty theft?

Nasty_Nitro posted...

if its that much of a hassle let the kid go

Yes the compensation of 8 quarters is really gonna put a strain on the store owner.

No wonder this country is so fucked people call the police over a bag of stolen chips theres murders and rapes happening and we got 3 officers going to investigate stolen lays chips

Open your own store and see how you like minor retail theft if it happens daily. That adds up.

And that's a pretty classic response to any policing activity. How dare you write me a ticket when there are unsolved murders. And oh no, there were three police officers present instead of just one, that makes things much worse, clearly.

TheVipaGTS posted...

lmfao what world do you live in? Cops care less about that shit than most things. I know people who have reported theft, Ive seen situations where the person of interest was named. A lot of the times they dont care or they find the item and dont even arrest anyone. This case didnt need 3 cops carrying the kid out. Shame on the cops and the store owner. This is wrong and you know it.

So if one cop was on screen instead of three, you'd be okay with this now? That's pretty nonsensical.

And, again, police have been cracking down on retail theft in many municipalities because there's been a big increase of them in the past two years.

K181 posted...

And scaring someone straight is a pretty common way to get someone to learn their lesson.

That shit has been proven to not fucking work. Try again.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/doing-what-doesnt-work/#:~:text=There%20is%20only%20one%20problem,those%20who%20don't%20participate.

https://sites.bu.edu/daniellerousseau/2018/12/12/do-all-juvenile-prevention-programs-work/

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2016/jun/3/scared-straight-programs-are-counterproductive/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://juvjustice.org/sites/default/files/resource-files/resource_539_0.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwii3dL5y6D3AhXSPH0KHRjjBhIQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3gef51o2t4ZT-YQP7FuQBI

No I still wouldnt be ok with it, but thats not what happened. What happened was overkill. Stop trying to defend this nonsense. I bet you are one of those people who whine about my tax dollars!! Well 3 Tax Dollar pay checks showed up to either arrest a child over a bag of chips or teach him a lesson. Both are egregious. Both are an overreaction. You dont need to defend everything cops do. Theyre wrong sometimes. This is one of those times.

TheVipaGTS posted...

lmfao what world do you live in? Cops care less about that shit than most things. I know people who have reported theft, Ive seen situations where the person of interest was named. A lot of the times they dont care or they find the item and dont even arrest anyone. This case didnt need 3 cops carrying the kid out. Shame on the cops and the store owner. This is wrong and you know it.

Seriously. Back when I lived in an apartment complex my room mates and I caught a carload of people breaking into cars and stealing stereos. We got their plate number. We gave it to the cops who responded to our call. They flat-out told us they didn't want it because they weren't going to even run the plate number. We followed up at the station a day or two later, hoping to be able to give the plate number to someone else and were again told that they literally didn't care. At that point I asked about who I could file a complaint with, and we were told very specifically that we "didn't want to do that."

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Do you not understand the ocean of difference between "let him steal" and "arrest a child for a petty offense?"

The guy filming doesn't seem to actually have any idea why this is happening, I don't know why you guys are rolling so hard with his "bag of chips" narrative

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Effective parenting.
Call the mom to come get her larcenous kid.

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Literally anything in between those extremes. When I got caught shoplifting at a gas station my parents were called, for example.

Wtf

Questionmarktarius posted...

Effective parenting.
Call the mom to come get her larcenous kid.

Which is probably what happened. All we saw was the kid cuffed and put in the back of a squad car, which is what police would do while awaiting the mom or before taking him home or their parent's place of work. People are just assuming he's being taken to jail.

He didnt need to be cuffed. Again, Ive seen several situations where the child wasnt cuffed and treated like a hard criminal and the parents were called to deal with it. This is bad policing and I dont know why everyone wants to defend it. Calling out bad policing decisions does not mean Im excusing the kid for stealing. Some of yall really fucked in the head. Cops shouldnt have gone that far, OH so what we just let him steal whenever he wants?!?how the fuck are you guys making that jump lol.

I guess Ill just look up the facts since were 100 posts in lol. He was not arrested
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/8/AAPtAUAADJl2.jpg

They should have arrested that dipshit who was trying to insert himself in the middle of it tbqh. I'm all for filming cops but that was over the top

darkprince45 posted...

I guess Ill just look up the facts since were 100 posts in lol. He was not arrested
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/8/AAPtAUAADJl2.jpg

Reeeee now, facts later lol.

darkprince45 posted...

I guess Ill just look up the facts since were 100 posts in lol. He was not arrested
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/1/8/AAPtAUAADJl2.jpg

Golly gee, it's almost like how I said it would go down went down.

YourDrunkFather posted...

Am I supposed to be outraged that a kid got in trouble for stealing?

Nah, just the radical lefts wooting and hollering about "Cops bad" even though they don't see the important lesson being taught. Then wonder why crime is so high.