Current Events > There's literally no reason to be lawful good

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Laws establish a status quo. A status quo will inevitably come into conflict with good. If you prioritize procedure and codes over good, then you are no longer good. If you disregard laws, then you are no longer lawful.

Ipso facto: Lawful Good is Bad, mmkay

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What if the laws are used for good? Like keeping murderers from killing others?

Duncanwii posted...

What if the laws are used for good? Like keeping murderers from killing others?

The law doesn't really stop murderers from killing anyone. It just gives the state the authority to punish them if they do. >_>

mmm... sweet sweet dogma

But really though, even Jesus was all like "Before, you had the Law, but the Law could not save you"

So yeah, having laws is important and all, but that alone doesn't make "goodness"

Lawful does not mean that you blindly value laws of the land no matter what because they are laws. Lawful means you value order and structure.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Lawful means you value order and structure.

Any established order will inevitably come into conflict with good.

Another point: every lovable "lawful good" character becomes infinitely more lovable after they get the stick out of their ass and abandon order (i.e. Steiner from FF9)

Laws establish a status quo but they aren't the only thing that affects what things are like. I see what you mean now though, but I'mnot aure why you used different words everywhere. Being lawful might inspire someone to maintain the status quo while some people think changing the status quo is good. I think in this case changing the status quo is merely serving a different law however. I don't know though.

I had a lawful good paladin. It was pretty fun being a stickler for the rules

Eh I'm going to be a good guy anyway.

Jean Luc Picard is a lawful order character, and hes an awesome galactic starship captain

Lawfulness that comes in conflict with good is called corruption and when a lawful good character comes across a law that violates that which is good, they turn in on that corruption and correct it. Lawful Good characters are completely valid and playable in the terms it is meant. Even for paladins, despite the lawful stupid stereotype.

Your face is Chaotic Evil.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Jean Luc Picard is a lawful order character, and hes an awesome galactic starship captain

He also always comes to see reason and says fuck the prime directive when necessary. >_>

the Prime Directive also just being a beuracratic excuse to spy and exploit pre-warp civilizations then wash your hands of responsibility if something goes wrong. Fufufufu

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Im flattered someone remembers me. I completely forgot I made that topic lmao

there's no reason for alignment to exist in the first place

Anyone who blindly always follows the law even when it clearly conflicts with the good is lawful neutral.

If there is no reason to be lawful good, because sometimes the law/order will conflict with good, then there is no reason to be lawful evil because the law will conflict with the evil. So, you'd have to cut out or limit a lot of character archetypes, like corrupt police or politicians.

Similarly, there is no reason to be chaotic good, because inevitably chaos/freedom will conflict with good too. Other media, like SMT, play with this because both chaos/freedom and law/order can be taken to unpleasant extremes.

The potential conflict between good and law doesn't mean you throw out the alignment, it means you use it to create interesting dilemmas for the character to navigate.

A paladin splash for Charisma bonus to savings throws is a good enough reason alone.

The benefit of lawful evil is that you have a predictable power structure that facilitates your oppression. >_>

The very nature of chaos means it is not beholden to a particular code, and thus, can discard itself when necessary

ipso facto: Jack shouldn't kill Chaos

also ipso facto:

https://youtu.be/q6cyDsuNx_U?t=1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle

I'm harm principle good

Kim_Seong-a posted...

He also always comes to see reason and says fuck the prime directive when necessary. >_>

I dont recall him ever really breaking the prime directive unless his back was against the wall and it had already been broken due to actions outside of his control.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

the Prime Directive also just being a beuracratic excuse to spy and exploit pre-warp civilizations then wash your hands of responsibility if something goes wrong. Fufufufu

uhwut? Kind of the opposite of that. The prime directive is to stop starfleet from influencing the natural development of an alien civilization. That kind of takes exploitation off the table.

Solid Snake07 posted...

uhwut? Kind of the opposite of that. The prime directive is to stop starfleet from influencing the natural development of an alien civilization. That kind of takes exploitation off the table.

Jean Luc "Letting An Innocent Mintankan Die Because of Our Fuck Up is A-Ok" Picard

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Jean Luc "Letting An Innocent Mintankan Die Because of Our Fuck Up is A-Ok" Picard

I think he was more concerned that their further interference to fix their initial fuck up could create other, larger problems. And he was right.

but yes, Picard showed on more than one occasion he was willing to let innocents die to uphold the prime directive and the reasoning behind it.

Solid Snake07 posted...

I think he was more concerned that their further interference to fix their initial fuck up could create other, larger problems

He straight up told Behvahlee that she was wrong to heal him. He was also wrong, since the reason their superstition got so wildly out of control after the fact was because he refused to go down and clear things up. <_<

If the Prime Directive mattered there wouldn't be an on-planet research station to begin with anyway. It's only a matter of time before some foul up exposes whoever's down there.

Ipso Facto: StarFleet sucks

Hell, his reasoning for letting Data's pen pals all die off doesn't even make any sense. Abstaining from interference doesn't protect a culture's development if it gets Krypton'd. <___<

Ipso Facto: Picard is a psychopath, and uses the Prime Directive to passively sate his unquenchable blood lust

Neutral good master race!