Current Events > Some Ubisoft and Guerilla Games devs are a little salty about Elden Ring

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Like it obviously adds a sense of mystery and discovery

obviously not when entire npcs and questlines disappear or break because you don't know they exist prior to... drumroll... checking the damn wiki nonstop

which boss hurt you

ultimate reaver posted...

which boss hurt you

no one's talking about bosses or the difficulty of the game

Okay but you're say it's bad cuz you don't like it and anyone that disagrees is a blind fanboy basically. They can also just like the mystique of it, the same as they enjoy the rest of the worlds mystique. It's like one of the main draws of the game.

If it is 'bad game design' why are players not only forgiving of it, but seem to enjoy it?

Not quoting you cuz Gameflux sucks btw.

viewmaster_pi posted...

the item info does typically say if they boost a stat like that, i however don't understand why the bars pop up when you take it out. it's been like that since demon's souls, i think.

It says it boosts the stat, but I'm talking about the status icons for sleep, madness, scarlet rot, etc.

If you're curious, btw, the bars pop up because you actually gain a little of that debuff when you first equip an item that resists it. I imagine it's meant to stop you from cheesing a debuff by equipping resistance gear really quickly.

they don't "enjoy" it, they just don't care, and only defend it because they get mad when someone has something bad to say about their precious franchise. the mystique of the world wouldn't be compromised in any way if a little thing popped up that said whatever npc is in whatever area once you progressed, or at least a warning that progressing further will lock you out of something.

i don't know about other epic gamers, but i never said i wanted to do multiple playthroughs of a game you can easily put 100+ in just to do a "wiki open" run

actually, here's a compromise, how about at the very least, if the player isn't allowed to know anything, just don't make shit time and progress-sensitive? that way you aren't punished for doing one thing before another? or is that ruining the mystery too?

viewmaster_pi posted...

thanks for the heads up, but i'm gonna go ahead and stay the course and say that people that defend the series' bad ideas are holding it back. people did the same shit with monster hunter. "it's good BECAUSE it's janky, not in spite of it!"

I really hate World and I hope it's not the future of the franchise.

I mean, they clearly enjoy it and defend it lol they absolutely care because they all would have an opinion on it. And the mystique would be compromised if they implemented warnings and shit.

It's just something you don't like and that's cool. But to paint it as blind fanboyism is dumb. It's an entirely different experience from other games, it's novel and fun. These games shouldn't be, and aren't encouraged to be, played like a checklist of chores. Your experience is your experience, unique to yourself and however you decide to play. And the quest design adds to that.

Hell most of the quests you'd be missing out on reward you with shit exclusive to a build that you most likely aren't even running. You're not missing out on much other that a few lines of story.

it absolutely becomes a chore to search up "elden ring missable quests" and pick through all these things.

like i said, it's absurd, counterintuitive, and never going to be justifiable. this idea of mystery, mystique and charm is just tedium. and the defense is "it's good, just stop caring if you miss something..." sure thing.

souls fanboys are just rabid by nature and conditioned into hating change, whether it's for better or worse

Smashingpmkns posted...

Hell most of the quests you'd be missing out on reward you with shit exclusive to a build that you most likely aren't even running. You're not missing out on much other that a few lines of story.

i guess that means the best idea is to...

check the fucking wiki! who'da thunk it! there's a problem with this being the answer for literally everything

DeadBankerDream posted...

I really hate World and I hope it's not the future of the franchise.

i didn't like it either, but it was my first monster hunter, so i have a feeling i wouldn't like any of them anyway

Most RPGs require wiki consultations if you want to complete everything.

Again, these games don't encourage you to do everything in one run. If that's what you want to do that's your own prerogative, but that isn't how the game is intended to be played. It expects you to miss shit because it encourages multiple playthroughs. Just like how games with multiple endings or "Clementine will remember that" type shit do the same.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Most RPGs require wiki consultations if you want to complete everything.

of course, but they also don't typically poof away entire questlines. imagine in new vegas or something if by the time you actually reached new vegas, all the other quests out in the mojave failed and disappeared. but how could you know? should have checked the wiki first instead of just playing and exploring organically

Smashingpmkns posted...

Again, these games don't encourage you to do everything in one run. If that's what you want to do that's your own prerogative, but that isn't how the game is intended to be played. It expects you to miss shit because it encourages multiple playthroughs. Just like how games with multiple endings or "Clementine will remember that" type shit do the same.

that'd work for me if the game wasn't set in a gigantic world that already has 100+ hours of other things to do if you want. not that i'm not grateful for the content it offers, but it's just a little ridiculous to me to be expected to trudge through it over and over, especially if the game gets harder and harder like in the others.

and again, you don't know if you miss something or not until you wiki it and see you're SOL. no matter what, the answer is always "check the wiki," and that's just not okay with me. even if you start new game+, without haunting that damn wiki, you'd still be missing shit. it's ridiculous, you'd sound like a madman in a straight jacket, check the wiki, check the wiki! over and over, lol

Is it a big deal if you miss out on stuff though?

I'm intending to play through it once (assuming I beat it) and I'm fine with not experiencing everything it has to offer.

I don't think it really has the same types of quests like New Vegas does anyway if Dark Souls is any indication.

Really bad form for developers to openly shit on other developers like that. Embarrassing really.

Also, every time:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/6/AAZ1peAADAHu.jpg

Punished_Blinx posted...

Is it a big deal if you miss out on stuff though?

i like experiencing everything the game has to offer after i spend money on it, but as for whether or not it's worth doing, i guess there's no way to know unless you...

check the wiki

i guess i see it like the game is playing coy, dangling treats, pretending to throw the ball to give you the runaround. people think this has "charm," but i don't like having the wool pulled over my eyes with shit like this in a such a huge timesink of a game

as if these guys have any leg to stand on. they keep shitting out the same generic by the numbers fecal matter year after year, specially Ubisoft...

Someone on Reddit fixed the UI to fall more in line with what Ubisoft devs think is good:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/2/AAZ1peAADAMM.jpg

Sounds like they've got enough tears to fill many flasks

Guerrilla Games should try not releasing a game when a mega hit is a week away. Zero Dawn came out around the same time as Breath of the Wild and Forbidden West came out around the same time as Elden Ring. It's a shame since both games are solid, but that's poor timing.

Elden Ring is a great game with some bad elements.

Most of their stuff are bad games with a few useful elements, sans Horizon which is at least an attempt but an awkward o r at that for me.

Oh no, people criticized a popular video game!!!!!

Imagine wanting to work in the video game industry lmao

Back in the 90s if someone dissed my favorite Mario game we'd throw down!!!

Yeah, I typically keep the fextralife guides open on my phone while I play lol.

They have a sidequest progression guide that tells you which quests you should do in which order by major areas of the game.

So far, there's a lot of sidequests in this game.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/2/AADK9aAAC-H2.jpg

sneakysnake posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/2/AADK9aAAC-H2.jpg

Why do you keep posting the fake article?

He's posted it more than once? I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt but yeah.

Quest design

because I really want to go here, collect that, kill said enemies, for the hundredth fucking time.

these sandbox developers are clueless on how to make a fun game

Smashingpmkns posted...

They probably made their accounts private cuz they got ratio'd. Most of the replies I saw were just talking shit about Ubi and Guerilla Games... games.

They're getting harassed by frothing angry gamers just for criticizing their favorite toy. Try to have some empathy at least.

Background_Guy posted...

They're getting harassed by frothing angry gamers just for criticizing their favorite toy. Try to have some empathy at least.

"Harassed". People disagreeing and pointing out that the stuff they design is largely trash isn't harassment, it's just fact. Especially that guy going on about Quest Design from a game that basically handholds you from start to finish.

Having flashing markers, 3D/360 vision and everything sparkling and flashing isn't good quest design.

Whose alt is Background Guy?

BlackBlueButts posted...

Stability and performance is def an issue. I get massive frame rate drops if more than 3 enemies are on screen.

im running on gtx 1650 ryzen 5 and I dont have that issue. You must be playing on a potato

Vyrulisse posted...

"Harassed". People disagreeing and pointing out that the stuff they design is largely trash isn't harassment, it's just fact. Especially that guy going on about Quest Design from a game that basically handholds you from start to finish.

Having flashing markers, 3D/360 vision and everything sparkling and flashing isn't good quest design.

You ain't this naive that you think they were only getting polite disagreement with their dumb takes.

Vyrulisse posted...

"Harassed". People disagreeing and pointing out that the stuff they design is largely trash isn't harassment, it's just fact. Especially that guy going on about Quest Design from a game that basically handholds you from start to finish.

Having flashing markers, 3D/360 vision and everything sparkling and flashing isn't good quest design.

You really think gamers aren't hurling abuse at them? Have you met gamers?

pegusus123456 posted...

Let's be real though.

ER could use just a little bit of quest UI.

No thanks, that would make the game easier. Making FromSoftwares games easier would negatively impact the immersion and my sense of pride and accomplishment.

*From makes Demon's Souls again*
From fans: Ubisoft only makes the same type of game

CrimsonAngel posted...

*From makes Demon's Souls again*
From fans: Ubisoft only makes the same type of game

Fromsoft found a winning formula that resonated with people to the point where they really don't have to do much different between games and it would actually be seen as a drawback if they did. They do just enough different to qualify as not being the same game as well. Not as legendary but kinda like the Dragon Quest series for me. I don't want them to change too much between games because each new one feels like a comfy place to me that I enjoy returning to.

Ubisoft towers.

CrimsonAngel posted...

*From makes Demon's Souls again*
From fans: Ubisoft only makes the same type of game

I feel like there's a measure of degrees that are being glossed over here.

HZD literally has gathering and fetch quests for like 80% of the quest log. What quest design is the guy speaking of that sounds like groundbreaking or something?

crayola555 posted...

HZD literally has gathering and fetch quests for like 80% of the quest log. What quest design is the guy speaking of that sounds like groundbreaking or something?

They think chores equals content. The same type of developer that brags about how huge their soulless open world maps are.

Ive seen twitter trolls complaining theres not enough indication when youre low on health, like they want that bloody screen effect or an alarm to go off when youre dying lol. the UI is fine as is

Vyrulisse posted...

They think chores equals content. The same type of developer that brags about how huge their soulless open world maps are.

The horizon games do pretty well on the world part. Going off in a random direction you havent been before tends to result in you bumping into something.

The quest quality varies a lot though. The stuff that advances the story or puts you into situations you normally wouldnt be in are good. The go off and hunt a few X to get Y are terrible. If anyone wants to go off and do some normal machine hunting they can do so without quests making them.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/5/2/AADK9aAADATE.jpg

Vyrulisse posted...

Someone on Reddit fixed the UI to fall more in line with what Ubisoft devs think is good:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/1/2/AAZ1peAADAMM.jpg

lmao

If Forbidden West was released on PC, then it's sales numbers would be better. It'd also be a buggy ass mess, but that is only to be expected.