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Kombucha
02/24/22 4:56:33 PM
#1:


Do you agree with this policy?


https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1496959123707109394

"Ukraine's interior ministry says men between the ages of 18 and 60 are banned from leaving the country"

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SquantoZ
02/24/22 4:57:42 PM
#2:


Men - universally expendable

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ElatedVenusaur
02/24/22 4:59:02 PM
#3:


Universal conscription is better sooner than later.

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DemonBuffet
02/24/22 4:59:29 PM
#4:


Why not women too?

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3PiesAndAFork
02/24/22 5:00:28 PM
#5:


I misclicked. Take one away from yes and add it to no.

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x_lone_x_wolf_x
02/24/22 5:01:25 PM
#6:


Damn that's fucked up. What a terrible world we live in.

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TheMikh
02/24/22 5:04:55 PM
#7:


tragic situation.

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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 5:08:20 PM
#8:


Terrible if true. I do not and will never support mandatory military service, regardless of circumstances.

ElatedVenusaur posted...
Universal conscription is better sooner than later.
what

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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/24/22 5:09:08 PM
#9:


I thought diversity was important and women can fight just as well as men

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Smackems
02/24/22 5:10:56 PM
#10:


IndorilGawain posted...
Terrible if true. I do not and will never support mandatory military service, regardless of circumstances.

what
While we agree that conscription sucks and shouldn't be a thing, from the leadership of Ukraine's view, that's probably correct. Though the "sooner" would have been before the invasion started

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Smackems
02/24/22 5:11:24 PM
#11:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
I thought diversity was important and women can fight just as well as men
Oh for fucks sakes this shit is annoying

Go away

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iPhone_7
02/24/22 5:12:07 PM
#12:


Obviously drafting them will be the next step, but has it happened yet?

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Cuticrusader09
02/24/22 5:12:50 PM
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Thats messed up. I read that a Polish woman was waiting at the border for her Ukrainian husband and kid to cross to Poland. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/central-european-countries-prepare-receive-ukrainian-refugees-2022-02-24/

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Will_VIIII
02/24/22 5:14:25 PM
#14:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Universal conscription is better sooner than later.
??

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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 5:15:08 PM
#15:


I also just think it's funny because a few weeks ago Venusaur was insisting there was no Russian troop buildup on Ukraine's border despite evidence to the contrary and now she's supporting conscripting Ukrainians. Life comes at you fast I guess

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ElatedVenusaur
02/24/22 5:17:53 PM
#16:


Will_VIIII posted...
??
Ukraine is still possessed of most of her territory and supplies i.e. it is still capable of organizing and arming its citizens.
It's also an indication that the Ukrainian government intends to do everything possible to resist the Russian invasion i.e. they're not interested in becoming Putin's demilitarized rump puppet-state.

Also, it is still the case that only men are conscripted, thank you everyone who pointed out the obvious.

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hitokoriX
02/24/22 5:17:56 PM
#17:


Men have always been the ones to fight and die. This is no different.

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/24/22 5:17:58 PM
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How are 1/3 of the votes here for it? Disgusting.

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darkprince45
02/24/22 5:19:13 PM
#19:


Whats the other alternative? Get killed by Russians and country destroyed?

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Smackems
02/24/22 5:21:13 PM
#20:


darkprince45 posted...
Whats the other alternative? Get killed by Russians and country destroyed?
Or take chances fleeing

It's a tough circumstance with no real clear answer

I'd rather see them be able to get out, though I know that isn't realistic

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ScazarMeltex
02/24/22 5:23:07 PM
#21:


Ukrainian President Zelensky has ordered General Mobilization. Which is essentially anyone with a gun.
Contains the original draft and an english translation.
https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1496971451940888578/photo/1


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Solution_45
02/24/22 5:23:25 PM
#22:


male privilege strikes again
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Smackems
02/24/22 5:23:49 PM
#23:


Sigh.. this is all just ass

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Will_VIIII
02/24/22 5:24:55 PM
#24:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Ukraine is still possessed of most of her territory and supplies i.e. it is still capable of organizing and arming its citizens.
It's also an indication that the Ukrainian government intends to do everything possible to resist the Russian invasion i.e. they're not interested in becoming Putin's demilitarized rump puppet-state.

Also, it is still the case that only men are conscripted, thank you everyone who pointed out the obvious.
Untrained or hastily trained civilians are going to get slaughtered

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DowntownMrSmith
02/24/22 5:26:46 PM
#25:


Ukrainian men have balls and are volunteering to fight for their country. If this happened here CEmen would be whining about toxic masculinity or some crap.
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Will_VIIII
02/24/22 5:27:22 PM
#26:


DowntownMrSmith posted...
Ukrainian men have balls and are volunteering to fight for their country. If this happened here CEmen would be whining about toxic masculinity or some crap.

Pretty weak strawman

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Smackems
02/24/22 5:28:22 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Untrained or hastily trained civilians are going to get slaughtered
Could put them in non combat positions, of which there are an awful lot. And that will leave the ones that actually know how to fight to be able to focus on the fight

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ScazarMeltex
02/24/22 5:28:24 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Untrained or hastily trained civilians are going to get slaughtered
Most of these people will have at least had some training. Ukraine reintroduced mandatory conscription back in 2014 after Russian annexed Crimea. It's generally a sign of desperation though yes.

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Will_VIIII
02/24/22 5:29:19 PM
#29:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Most of these people will have at least had some training. Ukraine reintroduced mandatory conscription back in 2014 after Russian annexed Crimea. It's generally a sign of desperation though yes.
That provides more context to the situation

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knightmarexx
02/24/22 5:32:05 PM
#30:


Will_VIIII posted...
Untrained or hastily trained civilians are going to get slaughtered

According to the Law on Military Duty and Military Service, Ukrainian male
citizens who are physically qualified for military service, over 18 years old
and older, but who have not reached the age of 27, and who have no right
for exemption from military service will be conscripted"'

So, like the Swiss, in theory - everyone should have some form of training.

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ultimate reaver
02/24/22 5:32:53 PM
#31:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Ukraine is still possessed of most of her territory and supplies i.e. it is still capable of organizing and arming its citizens.
It's also an indication that the Ukrainian government intends to do everything possible to resist the Russian invasion i.e. they're not interested in becoming Putin's demilitarized rump puppet-state.

Also, it is still the case that only men are conscripted, thank you everyone who pointed out the obvious.

speedrunning straight to something that never ever works and kills a fuckton of people needlessly is not something to be commended

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Flauros
02/24/22 5:33:31 PM
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DemonBuffet posted...
Why not women too?
They hate equality

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ScazarMeltex
02/24/22 5:39:08 PM
#33:


For the dumbfucks complaining about women not being drafted, Ukrainian women are in fact required to be registered for conscription.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/12/27/ukraine-requires-women-register-military-conscription-russia-threat-looms.html


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ScazarMeltex
02/24/22 9:00:10 PM
#34:


Also, for the record one of the 13 Ukrainian defenders on Snake Island (where they told a Russian Warship to go fuck themselves) was woman.
https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1496982250704891933

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Chunkey Simmons
02/24/22 9:24:25 PM
#35:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Universal conscription is better sooner than later.
this.

they have no choice. there's a war going on, they have to fight. there's no other option here. of course no one wants to resort to drafting, but what's the alternative if you don't have enough military?

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ScazarMeltex
02/26/22 12:50:12 PM
#36:


Up once more for the "WoMEn WoNt FiGHt" crowd.
https://twitter.com/jurischnoeller/status/1497605974047301634

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Solution_45
02/26/22 12:53:23 PM
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https://twitter.com/kiraincongress/status/1497264543428448260
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wackyteen
02/26/22 12:54:37 PM
#38:


It's a bit of a two edged sword.

You retain able bodied men, but forcing men who may not want to fight or help, to fight and help can bog down those who do.

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Alteres
02/26/22 1:01:42 PM
#39:


Yeah, they will arm the women... its supposed to be a way for families to escape while retaining those most able to fight.

You can talk about equality and morality of a draft, but I believe all western countries would do the same if pushed to the wall.

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Sewage
02/26/22 1:56:53 PM
#40:


I'm not sure I agree with it, but that's also influenced by the fact that I never had a real reason to think of this happening to me. It's easy to say its bad when it's happening far away.

I will say seeing men and women willingly do this for their freedoms put into perspective how fucking shit some of the world is. They are willing to die for their country, some people wouldn't wear a mask for others. They said doing so would be living on their knees instead of dying on their feet, now we see the real act of dying on your feet.
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scar the 1
02/26/22 2:00:10 PM
#41:


No one should be forced to remain in a war zone

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Chunkey Simmons
02/27/22 4:59:43 PM
#42:


scar the 1 posted...
No one should be forced to remain in a war zone
there's no choice here. if you don't have enough solders in the military, you gotta get some more, even if it requires force. i don't know ukraine's exact numbers of soldiers, but if they don't have enough, what's the alternative? let russia win? that's a hard no from me.

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Jx1010
02/27/22 5:10:28 PM
#43:


DemonBuffet posted...
Why not women too?


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dave_is_slick
02/27/22 5:20:30 PM
#44:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Up once more for the "WoMEn WoNt FiGHt" crowd.
https://twitter.com/jurischnoeller/status/1497605974047301634
I don't think you can read. All that was asked is why aren't women banned from leaving, not at all saying they couldn't fight.

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Hoodroar
02/27/22 5:24:40 PM
#45:


I'd just take a "try and stop me" stance and leave anyway.

Realistically Ukraine is unlikely to win the war and not everyone's willing to fight a losing effort.

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