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Southernfatman
02/24/22 9:16:22 AM
#52:


Guerrilla Soldier posted...
lol this is why you're not in charge of any important decisions

Well you sure changed my mind with that rebuttal. It's not like I want war. I just feel it's inevitable. Ukraine won't appease Putin and the next power hungry Russian oligarch leader that comes after him.

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MutantJohn
02/24/22 9:17:08 AM
#53:


$20 says OP is a chickenhawk

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scar the 1
02/24/22 9:17:36 AM
#54:


mustachedmystic posted...
Well, thats all we can reasonably be expected to do. And fund an insurgence of course, lets just hope they arent religious fundamentalists this time.
You mean like they already did in the Orange Revolution?

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Rayman2943
02/24/22 9:18:58 AM
#55:


Southernfatman posted...
Well you sure changed my mind with that rebuttal. It's not like I want war. I just feel it's inevitable. Ukraine won't appease Putin and the next power hungry Russian oligarch leader that comes after him.
No you clearly want it. Likely this will crash russia beyond repair. Its a giant gas station on its last legs.

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ThyCorndog
02/24/22 9:21:21 AM
#56:


Rayman2943 posted...
Likely this will crash russia beyond repair. Its a giant gas station on its last legs.
Lol yeah it's about to collapse man

Wonder what people will say the next time (read, within a few years at most) Russia attacks one of their neighbors

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Southernfatman
02/24/22 9:21:31 AM
#57:


Rayman2943 posted...
No you clearly want it. Likely this will crash russia beyond repair. Its a giant gas station on its last legs.

I hope you're right (not counting on it though), but you can still fuck right off for saying I want it.

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TetsuoS2
02/24/22 9:32:37 AM
#58:


this is fucked, and as long as nukes exist the rest of the world doesn't really have any other options than a sanction.

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Caution999
02/24/22 9:42:40 AM
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ElatedVenusaur
02/24/22 9:44:08 AM
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If we do more than impose economically crippling sanctions on Russia and monetarily support the Ukrainian government and people, then we are fools.

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ShotgunSilencer
02/24/22 10:19:03 AM
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Ok so... Stupid question, but I really do avoid the news and stuff as that shits depressing.
But why is Russia doing this. Likes what's so great about Ukraine?
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scar the 1
02/24/22 10:22:33 AM
#62:


ShotgunSilencer posted...
Ok so... Stupid question, but I really do avoid the news and stuff as that shits depressing.
But why is Russia doing this. Likes what's so great about Ukraine?
They don't want NATO expanding into Ukraine.

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Master Kazuya
02/24/22 10:23:11 AM
#63:


ShotgunSilencer posted...
Ok so... Stupid question, but I really do avoid the news and stuff as that shits depressing.
But why is Russia doing this. Likes what's so great about Ukraine?

I think it's because Ukraine used to be part of the USSR and Putin wants to rally the band up again

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ThyCorndog
02/24/22 10:23:45 AM
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Ukraine is valuable land for Russia to control

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Sictis
02/24/22 10:24:37 AM
#65:


ShotgunSilencer posted...
Ok so... Stupid question, but I really do avoid the news and stuff as that shits depressing.
But why is Russia doing this. Likes what's so great about Ukraine?
that pic with all the gaslines running through Ukraine.jpg

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COVxy
02/24/22 10:25:01 AM
#66:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
If we do more than impose economically crippling sanctions on Russia and monetarily support the Ukrainian government and people, then we are fools.

Seems morally bankrupt to remove a country's defenses, promise to defend them, and then not do so, tbh. Many many people will die. And it will be the fault of the US.

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Unsuprised_Pika
02/24/22 10:26:01 AM
#67:


scar the 1 posted...
They don't want NATO expanding into Ukraine.

I mean yes but the real reason is Putin wants the Soviet Union back. He wants all the old soviet countries back.

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Mist_Turnips
02/24/22 10:27:13 AM
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Yeah, good idea TC. We'll send you over as our sole soldier to fight this war. We believe in you. You got this.

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scar the 1
02/24/22 10:27:52 AM
#69:


Unsuprised_Pika posted...
I mean yes but the real reason is Putin wants the Soviet Union back. He wants all the old soviet countries back.
I sincerely doubt that. I think Putin is smarter than that, he knows full well that it's far too expensive of a project and that it's doomed to fail.

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Unsuprised_Pika
02/24/22 10:36:15 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
I sincerely doubt that. I think Putin is smarter than that, he knows full well that it's far too expensive of a project and that it's doomed to fail.

What he wants and what he will actually do aren't going to be fully aligned because he unfortunately(or fortunately? A fool can sometimes be MORE dangerous then a genius) Isn't stupid.

If he thinks he has an opportunity he will take it but yeah I don't think he is going to suddenly try to invade all the old soviet countries right now or anything. But if he can subvert them slowly to his will or set up something like the ukraine situation down the line....or if War broke out between the US/NATO and China he might try then.
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DarkRoast
02/24/22 10:38:13 AM
#71:


Russian mostly works through deliberate misinformation campaigns spread online often too far right conspiracy theorists of various countries. They insidiously infuse distrust of non-Putin-friendly authority in the process.

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FinalBraveNUT
02/24/22 10:47:02 AM
#72:


People like you are what causes ....war.

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Damn_Underscore
02/24/22 10:49:07 AM
#73:


MutantJohn posted...
$20 says OP is a chickenhawk

I think if he was in the NFL hed have better things to do than post here

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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 11:10:22 AM
#74:


This topic suuuuuuuucks majorly

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hockeybub89
02/24/22 11:28:36 AM
#75:


COVxy posted...
Seems morally bankrupt to remove a country's defenses, promise to defend them, and then not do so, tbh. Many many people will die. And it will be the fault of the US.
Exactly

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TetsuoS2
02/24/22 11:32:44 AM
#76:


ShotgunSilencer posted...
Ok so... Stupid question, but I really do avoid the news and stuff as that shits depressing.
But why is Russia doing this. Likes what's so great about Ukraine?

Ukraine was called the breadbasket of Russia(USSR) , currently its called the breadbasket of Europe. They also get more port access and denial of NATO influence.

Ukrainian nukes were PAL locked by the Soviets, so it was absolutely useless to everyone but Russia, though US should have done better here.

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hockeybub89
02/24/22 11:33:59 AM
#77:


ZevLoveDOOM posted...
really the last thing we need is a fucking war. fucking hell dude...
Sounds like the war already started. Now it's whether or not we fight back.

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CloudThunder
02/24/22 11:35:05 AM
#78:


you going out there and fight with the troops?
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AngelicRadiance
02/24/22 11:35:20 AM
#79:


America only declares war on brown people for corporate interests

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Sharashaska
02/24/22 11:37:04 AM
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AngelicRadiance posted...
America only declares war on brown people for corporate interests


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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 11:41:08 AM
#81:


hockeybub89 posted...
Sounds like the war already started. Now it's whether or not we fight back.
"We" have not been attacked. Ukraine is, unfortunately, not yet part of NATO. It is incredibly asinine and immature to suggest that the US enter into a hot war with Russia. There are other ways to support Ukraine short of declaring war on Russia and putting US troops on the ground.

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--Zero-
02/24/22 11:41:50 AM
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Slow down there TC. Its too soon to jump on the war wagon.

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ReignFury
02/24/22 11:52:13 AM
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Can't go to war with Russia because it would end in nuclear winter. Use your brain TC.

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Thompson
02/24/22 11:57:35 AM
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I think the war should be made very, very costly for Russia, through sanctions and ostracization, but also by supplying the Ukrainians with weapons. Should the military fall, then it's to supporting an insurgency with training, intel, and materiel.
Ukraine should undoubtedly be a poisonous thorn in Russia's side, for as long as necessary, and be as painful as possible.

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scamatoru
02/24/22 11:59:23 AM
#85:


war has changed

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COVxy
02/24/22 12:05:14 PM
#86:


IndorilGawain posted...
"We" have not been attacked. Ukraine is, unfortunately, not yet part of NATO. It is incredibly asinine and immature to suggest that the US enter into a hot war with Russia. There are other ways to support Ukraine short of declaring war on Russia and putting US troops on the ground.

Just to make this a little more concrete, do any of those other ways prevent loss of life?

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Smashingpmkns
02/24/22 12:05:43 PM
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I'm no war expert but I feel like the US going to war with Russia is a bad idea.

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Number090684
02/24/22 12:06:12 PM
#88:


AngelicRadiance posted...
America only declares war on brown people for corporate interests

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What_
02/24/22 12:06:24 PM
#89:


Autocraticus posted...
ITT: pretty terrible takes
Its basically a whole Lotta idiots that have no idea what theyre talking about
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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 12:07:23 PM
#90:


COVxy posted...
Just to make this a little more concrete, do any of those other ways prevent loss of life?
Does putting the US military into an active combat role prevent loss of life?

My man I've been talking in support of Ukraine for a long time on this board and I'm not someone who believes war is always 100% out of the question (though it should only ever be the last resort), but at this moment in time I don't think there's anything to be gained from direct military action beyond supporting the Ukrainian forces with arms, training, intel, money, whatever we can supply.

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COVxy
02/24/22 12:09:39 PM
#91:


IndorilGawain posted...
Does putting the US military into an active combat role prevent loss of life?

Ukrainian lives? Yes.

Just seems like a shit thing to do, to disarm a country, promise them protection, and then bow out when the time comes because it's too risky for us.

Like, i'm not saying it's the correct thing to do. But certainly standing aside is immoral as fuck.

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IndorilGawain
02/24/22 12:13:34 PM
#92:


COVxy posted...
Ukrainian lives? Yes.

Just seems like a shit thing to do, to disarm a country, promise them protection, and then bow out when the time comes because it's too risky for us.

Like, i'm not saying it's the correct thing to do. But certainly standing aside is immoral as fuck.
I agree 100%, I just don't think declaring war on Russia is the answer.

What the answer is? I honestly don't know. I don't think sanctions alone will do anything significant unless we go even further than planned.

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scar the 1
02/24/22 12:49:23 PM
#93:


The US joining the war would not only start WW3, it would be a nuclear conflict.

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hockeybub89
02/24/22 1:23:20 PM
#94:


scar the 1 posted...
The US joining the war would not only start WW3, it would be a nuclear conflict.
Why is the solution to so much evil in the world "Accept it or otherwise they'll act even shittier"?

People are dying and Putin will not stop at Ukraine. This is a global issue which requires a global response. And the US specifically has made Ukraine reliant on them.

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scar the 1
02/24/22 1:27:44 PM
#96:


hockeybub89 posted...
Why is the solution to so much evil in the world "Accept it or otherwise they'll act even shittier"?

People are dying and Putin will not stop at Ukraine. This is a global issue which requires a global response. And the US specifically has made Ukraine reliant on them.
I agree, the US has led Ukraine on. I'm not sure less people would die if they joined the fighting though, rather the opposite. But it must certainly looks like diplomatic options are gone. It's fucked up and I don't have an answer for how to solve it. I just don't believe US troops would help

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ThePrinceFish
02/24/22 1:31:12 PM
#97:


Someone call Matt Damon, because Team America has to go save an unrelated country on the other side of the planet, again!

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COVxy
02/24/22 1:32:14 PM
#98:


scar the 1 posted...
I agree, the US has led Ukraine on. I'm not sure less people would die if they joined the fighting though, rather the opposite. But it must certainly looks like diplomatic options are gone. It's fucked up and I don't have an answer for how to solve it. I just don't believe US troops would help

I suppose it depends on how you define help. If you think a soldiers life is a soldiers life, then who knows probably not.

But if you think there's anything owed to the Ukrainian people, then the equation is much different.

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scar the 1
02/24/22 1:35:04 PM
#99:


COVxy posted...
I suppose it depends on how you define help. If you think a soldiers life is a soldiers life, then who knows probably not.

But if you think there's anything owed to the Ukrainian people, then the equation is much different.
I suppose what I'm saying is that I think US involvement would escalate things and end up killing more innocent people.

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Turtlemayor333
02/24/22 1:38:45 PM
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Weird investment to spend trillions on a military that can't do anything

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Antifar
02/24/22 1:59:32 PM
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Turtlemayor333 posted...
Weird investment to spend trillions on a military that can't do anything
It's very weird, I agree.

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