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Horungen posted...

You have missed a lot, but I'm not going into that discussion here.

Oh is there even worse things than what I mentioned?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oh is there even worse things than what I mentioned?

Entirely depends on your definition of "worse".

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18 posts is all I could see on the last page

Horungen posted...

Slurs and offensive content is part of freedom of speech. But if you have the mentality that no one must be offended, then you start to ban opinions and speech because somewhere in the world, someone who couldn't control her emotions was offended.

Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from consequences.

Whenever you go out in public there is always a basic expectation of politeness and respect. People cannot and do not go out in the real world and act like they do on 4chan. That is a good thing. Websites can do and will do the same thing.

People have the right to be able to go out in society and not be bombarded with slurs and harassment from assholes hiding behind the excuse of freedom of speech.

If you want to go to shit holes where people are allowed to say whatever then go there and stay there. But most other people and places don't want this.

Horungen posted...

And yes, old NeoGAF was like Restera, in that they banned everything and everyone who didn't align with their opinions. Then after the old users left, NeoGAF actually got a good amount of acceptance for different opinions.

Because assholes took over the place and shit it up. The founder accepted it because there was no other way for him to make money from the site.

The site is an utter shithole. Again if you like it there stay there. But you don't and you won't. Because you think people are obligated to deal with your smelly opinions. We aren't.

Horungen posted...

Because the definitions of what actually is offensive depends a lot on the site owners.

And slurs, the relevance of those being unacceptable?

It's irrelevant unless your opinion needs slurs to be expressed.

Does your opinion need slurs to be expressed?

Horungen posted...

Entirely depends on your definition of "worse".

Well I certainly wouldn't say that the opinions that LGBTQ+ deserve the same respect as everyone else and should be afforded the same civil liberties as everyone else worse, but I have never seen a conservative share that opinion.

I will also say that I'm glad you're not 100% full of shit by trying to deny that the conservative opinions I posted are accurate.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from consequences.

Whenever you go out in public there is always a basic expectation of politeness and respect. People cannot and do not go out in the real world and act like they do on 4chan. That is a good thing. Websites can do and will do the same thing.

People have the right to be able to go out in society and not be bombarded with slurs and harassment from assholes hiding behind the excuse of freedom of speech.

If you want to go to shit holes where people are allowed to say whatever then go there and stay there. But most other people and places don't want this.

Because assholes took over the place and shit it up. The founder accepted it because there was no other way for him to make money from the site.

The site is an utter shithole. Again if you like it there stay there. But you don't and you won't. Because you think people are obligated to deal with your smelly opinions. We aren't.

Depends on the context. If you literally can't say what you want, because you get banned everywhere, then there's no freedom of speech. If you say something people don't like, and you get called out for it, that's no problem.

Isn't it pretty funny how you first say that people expect politeness, and then call different minded people assholes? But that's the kind of hypocricy I've seen a lot within the liberal left.

Horungen posted...

Depends on the context. If you literally can't say what you want, because you get banned everywhere, then there's no freedom of speech. If you say something people don't like, and you get called out for it, that's no problem.

Isn't it pretty funny how you first say that people expect politeness, and then call different minded people assholes? But that's the kind of hypocricy I've seen a lot within the liberal left.

Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to outright insult or attack people because you don't like or agree with their personal life choices. Same reason you can't attack or insult someone based on the color of their skin or nationality.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/9/0/AARLwzAAApTm.jpg

DrizztLink posted...

And slurs, the relevance of those being unacceptable?

It's irrelevant unless your opinion needs slurs to be expressed.

Does your opinion need slurs to be expressed?

Depends on what you define as "slurs". If this was a place for open discussion, then we could use the actual words and discuss them, but it's not allowed here.

If you don't want to get banned, horungun, just delete your account so the staff can't do that to you. You will really stick it to them and own the liberal left.

Horungen posted...

Depends on the context. If you literally can't say what you want, because you get banned everywhere, then there's no freedom of speech.

I'm sure they'd be welcome at Stormfront, the KKK or some Nazi garbage group.

Horungen posted...

If you say something people don't like, and you get called out for it, that's no problem

People aren't obligated to tolerate everything. The door is always there for a reason.

Horungen posted...

Isn't it pretty funny how you first say that people expect politeness, and then call different minded people assholes? But that's the kind of hypocricy I've seen a lot within the liberal left.

You can't even post your opinion without being banned almost anywhere?

I think that goes beyond being 'different minded'

Horungen posted...

Depends on what you define as "slurs". If this was a place for open discussion, then we could use the actual words and discuss them, but it's not allowed here.

You can't discuss them without dropping F-bombs because of... academic integrity.

This is the face we make when we all believe you, sure it is.

Strider102 posted...

Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to outright insult or attack people because you don't like or agree with their personal life choices. Same reason you can't attack or insult someone based on the color of their skin or nationality.

Yes it does. That's the whole point with freedom of speech. Also, I see a lot of insults here aimed at Trump supporters. So your side use insuslts, too. But I guess you think it's morally defendeble, because your opinions and values are the correct ones?

Horungen posted...

So your side use insuslts, too. But I guess you think it's morally defendeble, because your opinions and values are the correct ones?

No, we're just not afraid to speak our minds.

Horungen posted...

Yes it does. That's the whole point with freedom of speech. Also, I see a lot of insults here aimed at Trump supporters. So your side use insuslts, too. But I guess you think it's morally defendeble, because your opinions and values are the correct ones?

Freedom speech also gives people the right to say "You aren't welcome here" and kick your ass out.

Horungen posted...

Yes it does. That's the whole point with freedom of speech. Also, I see a lot of insults here aimed at Trump supporters. So your side use insuslts, too. But I guess you think it's morally defendeble, because your opinions and values are the correct ones?

So what you're saying is that you are more cowardly than libs?

Funkydog posted...

So what you're saying is that you are more cowardly than libs?

No, I'm saying:

People here know it's safe to insult Trump supporters because mods are also left wing liberals and like those posts. So these people won't get banned, and they know that.

You can check that on any platform. Look at posts and notice which group of people or what person you can't insult. Then also look at what groups and people are OK to insult. This is all set by the site owners and moderators, and their personal political views.

On a good platform, the owners wouldn't take stance like that.

Horungen posted...

Yes it does. That's the whole point with freedom of speech. Also, I see a lot of insults here aimed at Trump supporters. So your side use insuslts, too. But I guess you think it's morally defendeble, because your opinions and values are the correct ones?

Freedom of Speech has limitations for when it starts to become harmful to a person or persons. Hate speech, for example.

The left insults the right because of stupid fucking takes like this.

"Oh I can't tell this person he or she is (redacted) or call him or her (redacted). My freedom of speech is being violated! Censorship!!!"

That's you.

Sounds like words of a coward. A brave person would say what they felt regardless of the consequences.

But you're a coward, and that's ok. Some of us are just cowardly, and some of us aren't.

Strider102 posted...

Freedom of Speech has limitations for when it starts to become harmful to a person or persons. Hate speech, for example.

The left insults the right because of stupid fucking takes like this.

"Oh I can't tell this person he or she is (redacted) or call him or her (redacted). My freedom of speech is being violated! Censorship!!!"

That's you.

Dude isn't allowed to call a person a slur to their face.

nobody has ever been more oppressed

Strider102 posted...

Freedom of Speech has limitations for when it starts to become harmful to a person or persons. Hate speech, for example.

The left insults the right because of stupid fucking takes like this.

"Oh I can't tell this person he or she is (redacted) or call him or her (redacted). My freedom of speech is being violated! Censorship!!!"

That's you.

You're right that freedom of speech has limitations. However, those exact limitations are set by the current one in power.

What is "harmful"? Depends on your mentality and your definitions.
What is "hate speech"? Nowadays many left wingers define simple critisism as hate speech, for example. Because they don't want critisism because their feeble emotions can't handle it.

Also, the law on this differs in different countries. Because, again, it depends on the current ruler and his definitions.

I can't wait to see how long after I went to bed this show went on for when I wake up later.

Horungen posted...

You're right that freedom of speech has limitations. However, those exact limitations are set by the current one in power.

What is "harmful"? Depends on your mentality and your definitions.
What is "hate speech"? Nowadays many left wingers define simple critisism as hate speech, for example. Because they don't want critisism because their feeble emotions can't handle it.

Also, the law on this differs in different countries. Because, again, it depends on the current ruler and his definitions.

Whole lotta words for "my opinion is unacceptable in polite society because bigotry isn't cool anymore."

I mean, damn.

I'd almost respect it if you WERE brave enough to post without all the cowardly euphemisms.

Punished_Blinx posted...

I mean I'm pretty sure someone can say 'gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married' and avoid moderation here fine.

This is BS and I think you probably know it.
I've been modded for a lot less than that. You're not really allowed to post conservative opinions or anything resembling them on any sort of social issue here. If you wanna talk about your views on economics though that's cool with the mods

Horungen posted...

No, I'm saying:

People here know it's safe to insult Trump supporters because mods are also left wing liberals and like those posts. So these people won't get banned, and they know that.

You can check that on any platform. Look at posts and notice which group of people or what person you can't insult. Then also look at what groups and people are OK to insult. This is all set by the site owners and moderators, and their personal political views.

On a good platform, the owners wouldn't take stance like that.

What's an insulting post in this topic that would get you banned when applied to liberals or Biden supporters?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

You're not really allowed to post conservative opinions or anything resembling them on any sort of social issue here.

It's almost like it's because conservative views on the subject are at best massively intolerant.

DrizztLink posted...

Whole lotta words for "my opinion is unacceptable in polite society because bigotry isn't cool anymore."

I mean, damn.

I'd almost respect it if you WERE brave enough to post without all the cowardly euphemisms.

"Bigotry" is yet another word that gathers a lot of words beneath it. Instead of using the actual words. By doing this, people can gather more and more words under the same umbrella, and then define all those words as "bad". The left is extremely good at this (language is power).

I can't stress this enough: the people who holds the power to define definitions are the ones who hold power.

Oh look, more desperate euphemisms and side-stepping.

Horungen posted...

"Bigotry" is yet another word that gathers a lot of words beneath it. Instead of using the actual words. By doing this, people can gather more and more words under the same umbrella, and then define all those words as "bad". The left is extremely good at this (language is power).

I can't stress this enough: the people who holds the power to define definitions are the ones who hold power.

Here's a helpful hint.

If you want to use a slur towards or about a minority then don't.

Hope this clears it up for you.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Here's a helpful hint.

If you want to use a slur towards a minority then don't.

Hope this clears it up for you.

Depends on what exactly the "slur" is, and the intent. You simplify it too much.

What the left is typically doing is that they use box of words. They fill each box with more and more words, and then they put labels such as "bigotry", "racism" or "homophobia" on these boxes. Bascially, they're expanding the definitions of these words no one want to be associated with to include more and more of their own values.

For example, the word "homophobia" literally means "afraid of homosexuals". However, the left has greatly expanded the definition of this word so it includes a lot more than just fear of homosexuals.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/7/AABUaRAAC9LJ.jpg
Dude is quite literally acting like one of the idiots in the background of this photo and pretending he's oppressed.

Horungen posted...

Depends on what exactly the "slur" is, and the intent. You simplify it too much.

Any incidents where both parties would be ok with one person using a slur towards the other are such small outliers that they aren't even worth considering in this discussion.

The guy is the whiniest little baby back bitch Ive ever seen

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Any incidents where both parties would be ok with one person using a slur towards the other are such small outliers that they aren't even worth considering in this discussion.

Why is it always the listener who rules?

If person A says something to person B, then why should person B have all the power defining whether or not person A should be allowed to say it? Then person B can literally make up anything and be offended by anything, therefore controlling his environment.

Both people should be questioned.

Person A should be question what his intent was, and person B should be question if his emotions aren't too feeble if he takes offense from that.

So "conservative opinions on LGBT" are being able to call people slurs, and then get mad at them for getting mad at you for calling them a slur.

Enlightening.

Horungen posted...

Why is it always the listener who rules?

If person A says something to person B, then why should person B have all the power defining whether or not person A should be allowed to say it? Then person B can literally make up anything and be offended by anything, therefore controlling his environment.

Both people should be questioned.

Person A should be question what his intent was, and person B should be question if his emotions aren't too feeble if he takes offense from that.

Ah, so you want exchanges to be like this.

"Hey, what's up (redacted)."

"What the fuck did you just say?"

"I said what's up (redacted)."

"May I ask what your intention is by calling me that?"

"I'm just expressing my opinion of you. Freedom of Speech and all that. Don't get offended so easily."

Horungen posted...

Why is it always the listener who rules?

If person A says something to person B, then why should person B have all the power defining whether or not person A should be allowed to say it? Then person B can literally make up anything and be offended by anything, therefore controlling his environment.

Both people should be questioned.

Person A should be question what his intent was, and person B should be question if his emotions aren't too feeble if he takes offense from that.

It's simple.

Are you about to use a slur towards a minority? Is it a hateful word that will offend most people in they group?

Don't.

The thing is it shouldn't be up to moderators or minorities to tell you this. Most people do not struggle with this concept or accidentally offend without meaning to.

If this is something you struggle with...why?

Strider102 posted...

Ah, so you want exchanges to be like this.

"Hey, what's up (redacted)."

"What the fuck did you just say?"

"I said what's up (redacted)."

"May I ask what your intention is by calling me that?"

"I'm just expressing my opinion of you. Freedom of Speech and all that. Don't get offended so easily."

Too much simplification, but I don't think the average Joe on CE has any interest in actual discussion. People just want others to agree with them.

I think I've written my stance on everything several times over, but people either misinterpretate on purpose, or simply don't understand.

Punished_Blinx posted...

It's simple.

Are you about to use a slur towards a minority? Is it a hateful word that will offend most people in they group?

Don't.

The thing is it shouldn't be up to moderators or minorities to tell you this. Most people do not struggle with this concept or accidentally offend without meaning to.

I've already written my reply to this, but it's obvious people here don't read very well.

Horungen posted...

I think I've written my stance on everything several times over,

You still haven't explained what "conservative opinions on LGBTQ" are, which is why everyone is clowning on you.

I mean, if you said what they are, it's likely we'd still clown on you for being a bigoted doofus. But at least you wouldn't be a bitch who was afraid of getting moderated on a dead game forum lol

See, look at that. I called you a bitch. This post will get modded, I might even get a warning if the mod is feeling ornery. I don't care, because unlike you, I'm not a bitch lmao

Horungen posted...

I've already written my reply to this, but it's obvious people here don't read very well.

Not really. People aren't weak because they don't want to tolerate you insulting them and their way of life. People aren't fragile for stopping you from doing this.

You're the one causing offense here. You're the one who apparently has to go to places where people openly use slurs to feel accepted. That's on you.

Punished_Blinx posted...

Not really. People aren't weak because they don't want to tolerate you insulting them and their way of life. People aren't fragile for stopping you from doing this.

You're the one causing offense here. You're the one who apparently has to go to places where people openly use slurs to feel accepted. That's on you.

Yes they are.

Anyone with some self distance and control over their emotions have no problems with insults. People in this thread have thrown a lot of insults at me, but why should I care?

Horungen posted...

Yes they are.

Anyone with some self distance and control over their emotions have no problems with insults. People in this thread have thrown a lot of insults at me, but why should I care?

No one here has said anything as bad to you as what you want to be able to openly say to people's faces, without repercussions, hiding behind your notion of freedom of speech.

Strider102 posted...

No one here has said anything as bad to you as what you want to be able to openly say to people's faces, without repercussions, hiding behind your notion of freedom of speech.

But they could say very nasty things, and I still wouldn't care, because I can control my emotions.

If someone says something bad about me, I first do self critisism and think if that bad thing is valid. If I think it is, then I'll try to improve. If it's just a random badmouthing because the person lacks arguments, then I simply don't care. I would never try to ban people who insults me.

Horungen posted...

Anyone with some self distance and control over their emotions have no problems with insults.

People with self-distance and control over their emotions aren't constantly getting banned from the public.

I'd say that's the far more accurate statement.

Horungen posted...

People in this thread have thrown a lot of insults at me, but why should I care?

You don't care and neither do we. So again I'm not seeing what the problem is.

Horungen
Regular User User Since: Jan 2018Karma: 50Active Posts: 160

Guys stop taking the bait.

Horungen posted...

Why is it always the listener who rules?

If person A says something to person B, then why should person B have all the power defining whether or not person A should be allowed to say it? Then person B can literally make up anything and be offended by anything, therefore controlling his environment.

Both people should be questioned.

Person A should be question what his intent was, and person B should be question if his emotions aren't too feeble if he takes offense from that.

Person B should have that power because they shouldn't have to endure abuse from someone else.

Its essentially your right to swing your fist ends at my personal space.

Horungen posted...

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but i just noticed your username, and i'm trying to figure out if you intended it to have the meaning of an other language slur or if it's a coincidence