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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:33:47 PM
#104:


https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495844144744386568

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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 2:34:06 PM
#105:


And here he goes listing all of the false flags that have been blamed on Ukraine

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:34:06 PM
#106:


https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495844222435528710

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AngelicRadiance
02/21/22 2:34:17 PM
#107:


*conquer neighbors*

Russia: You made us do this

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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 2:35:00 PM
#108:


Calling Ukraine Nazis and accusing them of genocide and wanting to start a blitzkrieg

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:35:34 PM
#109:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Calling Ukraine Nazis
tankies everywhere cheering

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Funkydog
02/21/22 2:36:17 PM
#111:


Well fuck.

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Sictis
02/21/22 2:37:31 PM
#112:


dude loves to talk huh

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RenescoStCewl
02/21/22 2:37:40 PM
#113:


IndorilGawain posted...
tankies everywhere cheering
Is shablagoo suspended? I'm suprised he's not here praising Russia for this.

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:37:57 PM
#114:


https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495845107672698883

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JimRob
02/21/22 2:38:01 PM
#115:


Why doesn't Russia leave the area then?
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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 2:38:10 PM
#116:


That ended really abruptly. He spent 45 minutes ranting at Ukraine and then talked for a minute about the separatists.

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s0nicfan
02/21/22 2:38:21 PM
#117:


Sictis posted...
dude loves to talk huh

Besides the fact that he's basically laying out his justification for an invasion, I would also not discount the possibility that military actions are occurring right now as he speaks and the reason he's going on and on is specifically to hold the world's attention for as long as possible.

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Tyranthraxus
02/21/22 2:39:11 PM
#118:


After Ukraine, Belarus is next. We have to stop them here.

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:39:35 PM
#119:


Tyranthraxus posted...
After Ukraine, Belarus is next. We have to stop them here.
Belarus is already his puppet and being effectively quietly annexed at the moment.

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Questionmarktarius
02/21/22 2:40:02 PM
#120:


Hungary needs to start being concerned now.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 2:40:04 PM
#121:


Tyranthraxus posted...
After Ukraine, Belarus is next. We have to stop them here.
Belarus will willingly accept annexation. Lukashenko is completely beholden to Russia.

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AngelicRadiance
02/21/22 2:40:13 PM
#122:


Tyranthraxus posted...
After Ukraine, Belarus is next. We have to stop them here.
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:40:23 PM
#123:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Hungary needs to start being concerned now.
Hungary is a NATO member.

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Questionmarktarius
02/21/22 2:40:53 PM
#124:


IndorilGawain posted...
Belarus is already his puppet and being effectively quietly annexed at the moment.
This. The only reason it's not annexed already is because Russia doesn't want it yet for some reason.
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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:41:16 PM
#125:


AngelicRadiance posted...
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland
Putin has been open about wanting the Baltics, but they're NATO members and he is absolutely not going to get into a hot war with NATO and the US.

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s0nicfan
02/21/22 2:41:38 PM
#126:


Tyranthraxus posted...
After Ukraine, Belarus is next. We have to stop them here.

We had to stop him at Crimea. The only reason he's doing this is because that move was so effective. It's basically the same playbook. Flood a region with disinformation, claim that ethnic Russians are being attacked, support separatist extremists that are calling for independence, and then annex that region into Russia under the guise of a defensive action to protect those people from terrorists.

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AngelicRadiance
02/21/22 2:42:16 PM
#127:


IndorilGawain posted...
Putin has been open about wanting the Baltics, but they're NATO members and he is absolutely not going to get into a hot war with NATO and the US.
Every time nobody does anything he's just going to get bolder.

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OmegaShinkai
02/21/22 2:42:40 PM
#128:


Moldova is next, there's a breakaway region with Russian minorities and in a few years we're going to hear "Moldova is genociding our people, we have to defend them"
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Funkydog
02/21/22 2:43:19 PM
#129:


Yeah, Putin will be going after one's without explicit protection of the rest of Europe and America - hence why he is opposed to Ukraine joining NATO as it scuppers his plans of conquering them.

But he certainly won't stop with Ukraine by any means, just like he didn't stop the numerous other times.

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thronedfire2
02/21/22 2:43:44 PM
#130:


s0nicfan posted...
We had to stop him at Crimea. The only reason he's doing this is because that move was so effective. It's basically the same playbook. Flood a region with disinformation, claim that ethnic Russians are being attacked, support separatist extremists that are calling for independence, and then annex that region into Russia under the guise of a defensive action to protect those people from terrorists.

yup. Its not an invasion when he recognizes those areas as independent and they ask Russia for help(whether thats true or not is another story). But thats how hes justifying it as not being aggressive behavior on Russias part

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Questionmarktarius
02/21/22 2:44:09 PM
#131:


IndorilGawain posted...
Putin has been open about wanting the Baltics, but they're NATO members and he is absolutely not going to get into a hot war with NATO and the US.
This is a test run.
Set up the "buffer" states of Ukraine and Belarus, then start pecking at the margins from there.
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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 2:44:31 PM
#132:


AngelicRadiance posted...
Every time nobody does anything he's just going to get bolder.
Sure, but an open war with the entirety of NATO is a *lot* different from invading Ukraine, who are supported only indirectly by NATO.

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Jabodie
02/21/22 2:49:13 PM
#133:


I'm pretty curious if that streamer in Ukraine ended up getting out.

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Zikten
02/21/22 2:55:54 PM
#134:


Jabodie posted...
I'm pretty curious if that streamer in Ukraine ended up getting out.

I think she moved from east Ukraine to west. But she may want to leave Ukraine all together
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TheGoldenEel
02/21/22 3:09:30 PM
#136:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Historically living in a war zone is not safe

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Funkydog
02/21/22 3:11:02 PM
#138:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Wars are pretty safe for citizens, yeah.

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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 3:14:08 PM
#140:


Hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in the Chechen Wars. Russia basically entirely leveled the city of Grozny.

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Axiom
02/21/22 3:14:29 PM
#141:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Considering Russia is known to use nerve gas I would say that civilians are decidedly not safe
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Vyrulisse
02/21/22 3:14:58 PM
#142:


AngelicRadiance posted...
Every time nobody does anything he's just going to get bolder.
Sounds very familiar.

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Funkydog
02/21/22 3:15:02 PM
#143:


Accidents or purposeful targeting of civilians and industry, yeah.

Civilians have long been a primary casualty of war between big nations for decades now.

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IndorilGawain
02/21/22 3:15:39 PM
#144:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Statistics in Ukraine since 2014 according to Wiki:

3,393 civilians killed; 7,0009,000 wounded

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UnholyMudcrab
02/21/22 3:19:29 PM
#145:


https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495852009345462278

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furb
02/21/22 3:40:53 PM
#148:


I would suggest people look up the Battle of Grozny for reference on how Russia may conduction itself in Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000)

How about the whole campaign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

This is a year mind you in a small region of Russia.

Estimate up to 25,000 killed and up to 5,000 disappeared in Chechnya (AI estimate)[23]
Estimate total number of casualties:
~80,000 killed in Chechnya (GfbV estimate),[24]
More in neighbouring regions,
40,00045,000 civilians killed (Kramer),[25]
More than 600 killed during attacks in Russia proper.
Other estimates for civilian dead 150,000 to 250,000[26][27][28][29]
Total killed military/civilian: ~50,00080,000
Others estimate: ~150,000250,000

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Tyranthraxus
02/21/22 3:43:35 PM
#150:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495852009345462278
Not enough

Invite them to NATO now

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lilORANG
02/21/22 4:01:57 PM
#152:


Why's this dude even want Ukraine. He already got the biggest country by a lot and most of it is empty space. He could build a new Ukraine on land he's already got

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ElatedVenusaur
02/21/22 4:02:56 PM
#153:


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Nor should we be eager to go to war with a nuclear power.
Really seems like Putin probably wants to assemble some sort of neo-Warsaw pact out of right wing dictatorships though.

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