Current Events > England and Feminists team up to hinder transgender rights expansion in Scotland

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UnfairRepresent
01/27/22 4:55:25 AM
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Nicola Sturgeons plans to overhaul transgender laws in Scotland risk proving damaging to women and should be shelved, the UKs equalities watchdog has said.

The Scottish Government faced renewed calls to abandon the controversial proposals, after the serious and substantial intervention by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) backed up concerns of feminist campaigners.

In a major reversal from its previous stance, the body urged the Scottish Government to halt proposals to make it far easier to legally change gender, claiming that the existing system struck the right balance between protecting transgender people and women.

It backed fears, repeatedly dismissed by SNP ministers and pro-trans lobby groups, that the potential consequences of the changes would impact on fields such as sport and criminal justice, as well as measures to address barriers facing women.

The Scottish Government is expected to publish legislation within weeks which would allow people to self-declare their own gender, removing the need for a medical diagnosis, to obtain a gender recognition certificate.

It also wants to cut the time in which someone must live in their acquired gender from two years to three months and open up the process to 16- and 17-year-olds.

Critics attack deeply disappointing intervention

However, the EHRC said it now believed that the established legal concept of sex, coupled with protections against discrimination for transgender people, struck the correct balanced legal framework that protects everyone.

The move provoked a backlash from pro-trans campaigners, who questioned the motives of the EHRC. The organisation is operationally independent of government, but its chairman, Baroness Falkner of Margravine the cross-bench peer and member of the Liberal Democrats until 2019 and commissioners are appointed by UK ministers.

Tim Hopkins, the director of the Equality Network, accused the body of failing to stand up for equality for trans people.

He said: We do not need UK government appointees telling us in Scotland how to legislate in devolved areas, and we look forward to the Scottish Government proceeding with the legislation soon, as has been promised many times.

Maggie Chapman, an MSP for the Scottish Greens, a party in coalition with the SNP at Holyrood, branded the intervention deeply disappointing, while the charity Stonewall labelled it an attack on trans equality.

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Feminist groups rejoice at watchdogs validation

However, the statement delighted grassroots feminist groups, which have been campaigning against the changes.

Critics have claimed that the proposals could put women at risk by opening up female-only spaces such as prisons, changing rooms and refuges to anyone who simply claims they identify as female.

Ms Sturgeon enraged opponents last year when she told them their concerns were not valid.

Susan Smith, a director of the For Women Scotland group, said: We are delighted that the EHRC agrees that the views of so many women are, after all, valid.

We only wish that the Scottish Government had taken the time to engage thoroughly and in good faith at the start of the process rather than simply relying on their funded groups and failing to engage with opposing views.

In a 2020 response to a Scottish Government consultation, the EHRC backed a simplified system for obtaining legal recognition of gender through a change in legal sex.

Sources at the body acknowledged on Wednesday night that the new position, set out in a letter to Shona Robison, the SNP minister in charge of the reforms, represented a significant reversal.

Similar plans to simplify the process of obtaining a gender recognition certificate in England and Wales had been proposed by the UK Government under Theresa May, but have since been abandoned.

The EHRC said it supported plans in England to lower the cost of a gender recognition certificate and criticised unacceptably long waiting times for gender identity services.

However, Baroness Falkner added: We otherwise consider that the established legal concept of sex, together with the existing protections from gender reassignment discrimination for trans people and the ability for them to obtain legal recognition of their gender, collectively provide the correct balanced legal framework that protects everyone.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: We will consider the EHRCs views, which have changed from their response to the 2019 consultation, along with those of others ahead of introduction of the Bill.

We appreciate the range of views on proposals to reform the Gender Recognition Act. We have always been keen to seek consensus where possible, and to work to support respectful debate, and will continue to do so.

We have now consulted twice on our proposed changes. First on the principles of reform in 2017, and then in 2019 on a draft Gender Recognition Bill. We have published independent analyses of responses to both consultations.

Our proposals to reform the current Gender Recognition Act do not introduce any new rights for trans people or change single sex exceptions in the Equality Act. Our support for trans rights does not conflict with our continued strong commitment to advance equality and to protect and uphold womens rights.

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Read the comments at your own peril.

Apparently the British are tired of "bowing down " to transgenders. Whatever the fuck that means

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Ratchetrockon
01/27/22 4:57:41 AM
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Terfs

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CobraGT
01/27/22 5:00:25 AM
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Divide and Conquer.

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jumi
01/27/22 5:09:07 AM
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TERFs gonna TERF.

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R1masher
01/27/22 5:11:12 AM
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Tldr, feminists dont like transgender rights?

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UnfairRepresent
01/27/22 5:13:17 AM
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R1masher posted...
Tldr, feminists dont like transgender rights?
Feminists are the loudest anti transgender voices out there

They see it as an insult to womanhood

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R1masher
01/27/22 5:16:14 AM
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Huh, I did not know that, thnx

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gigageek1500
01/27/22 5:26:13 AM
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That's because a lot of feminists, I want to say most, actually do support trans rights.

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ColdOne666
01/27/22 5:28:04 AM
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It's a good thing it has been shelved, the new proposals where terrible and made no sense.

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UnfairRepresent
01/27/22 5:29:44 AM
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ColdOne666 posted...
It's a good thing it has been shelved, the new proposals where terrible and made no sense.
I'm sure you can elaborate on how.

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UnfairRepresent
01/29/22 5:06:15 AM
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depressing more like

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Zikten
01/29/22 5:14:49 AM
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Scotland should have voted to leave the UK when they had the chance
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UnfairRepresent
01/29/22 6:25:46 AM
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Zikten posted...
Scotland should have voted to leave the UK when they had the chance
they really shouldn't

it would have been a dramatic disaster for the economy, health care ,trade , influence

And been bent over a barrel with their panties at their ankles by the EU

At a time where Scotland is suffering from a drug and homeless epidemic

And they would have been hit by covid

The Scottish independence movement is legit as stupid as the MAGA movement

it's all chest thumping, xenophobia, rhetoric and emotion by people who aren't willing or are too lazy to actually look at real day to day political issues instead of slogans

Have you ever spoken to Scottish independence supporters? Half the time it's drunk shirtless guys screaming "William Wallace would ve ashamed of the cowardice!!! fuck da English! !!!"

it's really not a pragmatic or beneficial movement at all. And Sturgeon is a public disgrace for her lying.

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Zikten
01/29/22 6:40:17 AM
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If Scottish Independence is like MAGA, what is BREXIT like? I thought BREXIT was like MAGA
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UnfairRepresent
01/29/22 6:42:31 AM
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Zikten posted...
If Scottish Independence is like MAGA, what is BREXIT like? I thought BREXIT was like MAGA
They both are.

In the sense of being pure emotional nonsense with thinly veiled racism and no practical benefit

it's like the Mad Hatter, Tweedledum and Tweedledee

Technically different things but they're all fucking nuts and on the same wavelength of insanity

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Questionmarktarius
01/29/22 6:52:52 AM
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Simple solution: unisex everything.
Sex-discrimination of the privy didn't really exist until Victorian prudishness set in.
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UnfairRepresent
01/31/22 7:20:12 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Simple solution: unisex everything.
Sex-discrimination of the privy didn't really exist until Victorian prudishness set in.

Questionmarktarius posted...
Simple solution: unisex everything.
Sex-discrimination of the privy didn't really exist until Victorian prudishness set in.
that's a terrible solution

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DespondentDeity
01/31/22 7:39:59 AM
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Youre not a feminist if you dont support trans rights.

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Questionmarktarius
01/31/22 10:42:03 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
that's a terrible solution
why?
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Indoril
02/01/22 12:27:03 PM
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Evergreen lately

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Background_Guy
02/01/22 12:40:21 PM
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English feminists gonna be that way
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indica
02/01/22 12:42:48 PM
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Canadian Nazis still censor the word "fuck", you know, cause of the children...

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