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g0ldie
12/12/21 7:45:58 PM
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California Gov. Gavin Newsom expressed his "outrage" Saturday at a Supreme Court decision to allow the Texas six-week abortion ban to remain in effect and said he would use similar legal tactics to tackle gun control in his state.

"I am outraged by yesterday's US Supreme Court decision allowing Texas's ban on most abortion services to remain in place, and largely endorsing Texas's scheme to insulate its law from the fundamental protections of Roe v. Wade," Newsom said in a statement.
"But if states can now shield their laws from review by the federal courts that compare assault weapons to Swiss Army knives, then California will use that authority to protect people's lives, where Texas used it to put women in harm's way," the statement continued.
The Friday ruling from the Supreme Court allowed Texas' abortion law that bars the procedure after the first six weeks of pregnancy to remain in place but said abortion providers have the right to challenge the law in federal court. However, the ruling limits which state officials can be sued by the abortion providers, which could make it difficult for them to resume providing abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy.
That is due to the law's novel enforcement mechanism, which allows private citizens -- from anywhere in the country -- to bring civil suits against anyone who assists a pregnant person seeking an abortion in violation of the law.

If lower courts are only allowed to issue orders blocking the select state officials from enforcing the ban, it is unclear if that will be enough to allow clinics to resume the procedure, as they might still face state court litigation from private citizens seeking to enforce the ban.
In light of the Supreme Court's decision, Newsom said he directed his staff to draft a bill that would allow private citizens to seek injunctive relief "against anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon or ghost gun kit or parts in the State of California."
The bill would also provide for statutory damages of at least $10,000 in addition to attorney's fees, the governor's statement said.
"If the most efficient way to keep these devastating weapons off our streets is to add the threat of private lawsuits, we should do just that," Newsom said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/12/us/california-gun-control-texas-abortion-legal-tactics/index.html


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MutantJohn
12/12/21 7:48:46 PM
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Based

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metralo
12/12/21 7:50:44 PM
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as he should

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g0ldie
12/12/21 8:20:10 PM
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bump

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Malcrasternus
12/12/21 8:24:22 PM
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Disgusting, on both California and Texas.

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g0ldie
12/13/21 1:28:17 PM
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one more

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Humble_Novice
12/13/21 1:30:47 PM
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Good.
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LightHawKnight
12/13/21 1:31:28 PM
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metralo posted...
as he should


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Questionmarktarius
12/13/21 1:33:39 PM
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The best outcome of this will be that "injunctive relief" without any actual standing, will be ended as a concept.
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Hop103
12/13/21 1:34:14 PM
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No wonder Newsom is such a crap politician.

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Takuya Lee
12/13/21 1:41:46 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The best outcome of this will be that "injunctive relief" without any actual standing, will be ended as a concept.

That would be nice, but somehow I can see SCOTUS screwing this up in some way. And also everyone with half a brain saw this coming when Texas implemented their law.

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Jabodie
12/13/21 1:42:38 PM
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The natural outcome of this game the court seems to be playing.

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TendoDRM
12/13/21 1:44:55 PM
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*Newsom

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SSJPurple
12/13/21 1:53:51 PM
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Using their idiotic logic/rules against them is what we should have been doing long ago

If one side is playing dirty the other side might as well too. Lets play ball.

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PoundGarden
12/13/21 3:14:32 PM
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The ol "two wrongs make a right" strategy. Our politicians continue to be children lol

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
12/13/21 3:17:33 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Disgusting, on both California and Texas.
This, fuck gun control, and stop trying to end abortion as an option.

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Mezcla
12/13/21 3:20:50 PM
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Good.

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Pepys Monster
12/13/21 3:22:08 PM
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Two wrongs make a right! Right, guys?

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Fade2black001
12/13/21 3:22:32 PM
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LOL this is stupid

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berlyman101
12/13/21 3:22:48 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
The ol "two wrongs make a right" strategy. Our politicians continue to be children lol

welcome to the real world where if you let bullies walk all over you they will never stop

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Questionmarktarius
12/13/21 3:26:56 PM
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berlyman101 posted...
welcome to the real world where if you let bullies walk all over you they will never stop
"He's being a bully over there, so I need to be a bully here!"

Tightening the "standing" standard is the only good outcome here.
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Were_Wyrm
12/13/21 3:28:10 PM
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I eagerly await the mental gymnastics from SCOTUS on why the texas law is ok but the California law isn't.

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Doom_Art
12/13/21 3:30:00 PM
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Turnabout is fair play!

Same reason why I absolutely love seeing those pro-Democratic gerrymanders in Illinois and Maryland

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voldothegr8
12/13/21 3:30:10 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Disgusting, on both California and Texas.

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berlyman101
12/13/21 3:30:23 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
"He's being a bully over there, so I need to be a bully here!"

Tightening the "standing" standard is the only good outcome here.

It's called leverage.

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PoundGarden
12/13/21 3:31:23 PM
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berlyman101 posted...
welcome to the real world where if you let bullies walk all over you they will never stop

Let's see if he actually follows through. Democrats love to talk shit and condemn things but aren't in love with actually following through and actually doing the work.
That's one thing I'll give Republicans, while a lot of their ideas and legislation is bullshit, if a GOP member says they want to do something, best to pay attention, because they're gonna give it their best shot.

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Background_Guy
12/13/21 3:34:37 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
The ol "two wrongs make a right" strategy. Our politicians continue to be children lol
But this isn't a wrong lol
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PoundGarden
12/13/21 3:44:44 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
But this isn't a wrong lol

It is though.

g0ldie posted...
In light of the Supreme Court's decision, Newsom said he directed his staff to draft a bill that would allow private citizens to seek injunctive relief "against anyone who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon or ghost gun kit or parts in the State of California."
The bill would also provide for statutory damages of at least $10,000 in addition to attorney's fees, the governor's statement said.
"If the most efficient way to keep these devastating weapons off our streets is to add the threat of private lawsuits, we should do just that," Newsom said.

Suing and holding manufacturers liable is a bullshit standard to set.
What, are we going to start holding Chevy liable when some drunk kills somebody? Start suing Gerber when someone is stabbed with one of their knives? Sue Coors if someone gets their dome cocktailed with their bottle in a barfight?

Holding gun manufacturers liable is stupid and serves no point. Like, what exactly are the manufacturers supposed to do? They have no control over where their weapons end up or what the customer does with the product once they hit the distributor.

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Pepys Monster
12/13/21 3:47:15 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
But this isn't a wrong lol
Yes, it is.

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Doom_Art
12/13/21 3:48:58 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Suing and holding manufacturers liable is a bullshit standard to set.
So are the standards being set by the Texas laws.

Maybe they should do something about those then? Maybe then this all goes away.

Pepys Monster posted...
Yes, it is.
Nothing wrong with this sort of thing at all, apparently.

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CommonGrackle
12/13/21 3:51:04 PM
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this isn't really gun control, it's just empowering lawyers

which is probably the last thing this country would every try and regulate
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PoundGarden
12/13/21 4:46:08 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
So are the standards being set by the Texas laws.

Maybe they should do something about those then? Maybe then this all goes away.

While entertaining to watch, fighting stupid with stupid rarely produces good results.

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Doom_Art
12/13/21 4:52:09 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
While entertaining to watch, fighting stupid with stupid rarely produces good results.
The high road sucks and hasn't worked well either

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Smashingpmkns
12/13/21 4:52:09 PM
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Kinda genius.

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divot1338
12/13/21 4:53:28 PM
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Suddenly Republicans dont understand how negotiations work anymore.

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marthsheretoo
12/13/21 4:57:58 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Two wrongs make a right! Right, guys?

In this case, two wrongs might very well make a right.

It's obvious to anyone with half a functioning brain that the purpose of Newsom's maneuver is to force Republicans to confront the horrific precedent they've set and trash this new legal model they've discovered entirely.

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uwnim
12/13/21 4:58:31 PM
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My prediction is that both this and the Texas law will be found unconstitutional.

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daynlokki
12/13/21 5:01:29 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Two wrongs make a right! Right, guys?
Its gonna be far more than two wrongs if SCOTUS upholds the abortion law. Its quite literally a way for any state law to go around the constitution.
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daynlokki
12/13/21 5:02:56 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
It is though.

Suing and holding manufacturers liable is a bullshit standard to set.
What, are we going to start holding Chevy liable when some drunk kills somebody? Start suing Gerber when someone is stabbed with one of their knives? Sue Coors if someone gets their dome cocktailed with their bottle in a barfight?

Holding gun manufacturers liable is stupid and serves no point. Like, what exactly are the manufacturers supposed to do? They have no control over where their weapons end up or what the customer does with the product once they hit the distributor.
I mean, in Texas they hold an Uber driver liable for driving you to the clinic even if they didnt know it was for an abortion.
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Prestoff
12/13/21 5:05:35 PM
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I think Newsom knows it won't pass, but it's more of a danger sign of what kind of precedent this will lead to if the abortion appeal passes.

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divot1338
12/13/21 5:09:29 PM
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As we head into 2022 its an excellent way to communicate exactly how much the Supreme Court is fucking America over to the average voter who doesnt really pay attention to the news.

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Doom_Art
12/13/21 5:12:36 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

The word "gun" is never mentioned

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Solid Snake07
12/13/21 5:14:49 PM
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Malcrasternus posted...
Disgusting, on both California and Texas.


This

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uwnim
12/13/21 5:20:31 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

This case would matter because the law attempts to bypass the constitution. The nature of the constitutional right doesnt matter. The important part is designing a framework that circumvents the constitution.

Where rights that are not explicitly mentioned matters is when laws attempt to slam head first into it. Cause then the goal is to get the legal system to change the interpretation.

Though, with guns, theres no explicit right for an individual to own firearms. That comes from interpreting the horribly written 2nd amendment. Determining what pieces go with what other pieces and determining what militia means and other such things.

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Paragon21XX
12/13/21 5:24:30 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The word "gun" is never mentioned
All guns are arms, so the word "guns" doesn't even need to be explicitly mentioned to be explicitly protected by the 2nd.

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I4NRulez
12/13/21 5:24:40 PM
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Sounds like he's bluffing to force some hands over the texas bill.

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DarthAragorn
12/13/21 5:26:51 PM
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Paragon21XX posted...
All guns are arms, so the word "guns" doesn't even need to be explicitly mentioned to be explicitly protected by the 2nd.
so are nukes and I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to own them

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