Current Events > Hawkeye Episode 4 Topic *SPOILERS*

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Tonight at 3 AM.

Things usually get crazy by the 4th episode of these D+ shows, so I'm hyped.

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i mean yelena is listed as being in 3 episodes on imdb so all of my hypeee

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i hate that these threads pop up 4-5 hours early. excitement to disappointment in one line.

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Medussa posted...

i hate that these threads pop up 4-5 hours early. excitement to disappointment in one line.

lol same

Lol, I know what you mean. I just make the thread when I remember we're close.

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ok, thanos was right being some bathroom graffiti was one thing... but on a coffee mug? that's not ok.

yay, the larpers are back =)

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Finished it.

Unless the last two episodes massively faceplant this is easily the best Marvel show on Disney+ yet.

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This show is so good. Most fun I've had with one of their D+ shows since WandaVision.

Kinda surprised they're dealing with Yelena's stuff in a TV show and not somewhere else, but...I'm also not sure where else they could tackle it.

Clint's just such a well written character. Really think him getting a show was the best option over giving him a movie.

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I like Renner's Hawkeye. I hope after this they do West Coast Avengers that Hawkeye formed.

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was fun but last episode has been the peak thus far.

Bruh I cant believe they were listening to Bells, Bells, Bells. Extra funny timing because I just listened to that album for the first time like a week ago (after only hearing about it while reading Anthony Daniels book this summer)

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DarthAragorn posted...

Finished it.

Unless the last two episodes massively faceplant this is easily the best Marvel show on Disney+ yet.

This

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Sigh Clint is gonna die isnt he?

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Sigh Clint is gonna die isnt he?

If he doesn't get home to his family for Christmas, we riot.

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Sigh Clint is gonna die isnt he?

Very doubtful.

Rharyx211 posted...

If he doesn't get home to his family for Christmas, we riot.

if he dies it would make Natashas sacrifice meaningless if they both end up dying

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

Sigh Clint is gonna die isnt he?

Doubt it.

It feels like his wife has some skills weve never seen before. Is it her Rolex?
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Cuticrusader09 posted...

It feels like his wife has some skills weve never seen before. Is it her Rolex?

I think it's Nick Fury's.

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008Zulu posted...

I think it's Nick Fury's.

I doubt it. Why would the Tracksuits (or more likely maybe/probably Wilson Fisk?) want to find Fury?

I'm not familiar enough with the comics to think of who it could be that's connected to Fisk though.

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I feel like the signs point towards it being Laura's. Maybe that list wasn't about finding Clint's family but about finding Laura's. It'd make me sad that it just fully confirms AoS is out of canon, but I think they might be going with the idea that Laura changed her name and is really Bobbi Morse - aka Mockingbird.

It's a good point about what Kingpin or the TSM would want with her in that case. I similarly don't know enough about comics to know if Bobbi and Kingpin ever crossed paths.

One theory I also saw that I'm pretty sure is not correct anymore is that it's Tony's watch which means it has an Iron Man suit in it. I was pretty sure that was the idea until this episode.

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Don't like the idea of Laura also being an agent or anything. Feels like she's just spy-savvy because she's had to live with Clint for over a decade and picked up how to be covert.

That said, no clue who the rolex could belong to either.

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I really didn't expect to be interested in this show, but I am enjoying it. Loki is still my favorite show so far because of the grand impact it had on the MCU, but this one is definitely a close second.

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pegusus123456 posted...

I feel like the signs point towards it being Laura's. Maybe that list wasn't about finding Clint's family but about finding Laura's. It'd make me sad that it just fully confirms AoS is out of canon, but I think they might be going with the idea that Laura changed her name and is really Bobbi Morse - aka Mockingbird.

It's a good point about what Kingpin or the TSM would want with her in that case. I similarly don't know enough about comics to know if Bobbi and Kingpin ever crossed paths.

One theory I also saw that I'm pretty sure is not correct anymore is that it's Tony's watch which means it has an Iron Man suit in it. I was pretty sure that was the idea until this episode.

Tbh, I think I saw somewhere that Bobbi Morse was never actually referred to as Mockingbird and maybe the "official" Mockingbird is really Laura.

It's also possible that, much like the title "Black Widow", it doesn't refer to any one particular person, but rather an entire class of female SHIELD Agents. Kinda like how we call Brunhilde "Valkyrie", but the actual codename comes from an entire group of female Asgardian warriors.

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Nice butt

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I'm really enjoying this so far. Feels kind of like a proper MCU version of the Netflix shows.

Christmas in NYC is one of the best things ever, so this resonates with that pretty strongly. Definitely not Loki though. That was my favorite.

I'm betting the watch is Laura's. That, or it's Stark's and it starts Armor Wars.

I'm also wondering why exactly Valentina wants Hawkeye dead.

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archedsoul posted...

I'm also wondering why exactly Valentina wants Hawkeye dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O15Mjqv7soE

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archedsoul posted...

I'm also wondering why exactly Valentina wants Hawkeye dead.

Interesting theory I saw that makes sense: Kate's mom hired her. Yelena seemed to be making sure that Kate didn't get hurt. That could just be that she's trying to avoid causalities, but I think I remember her actually defending Kate from Echo as well.

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archedsoul posted...

I'm also wondering why exactly Valentina wants Hawkeye dead.

i don't think she does so much as she wants to recruit BW2 into her dark avengers/thunderbolts group. killing an avenger gives her a lot of control over yelena's future.

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I seriously doubt the watch is Laura's. Women's Rolex watches aren't nearly as chunky as the mens. Plus it was from the 1960's, she would have been, what, 5 years old then? Who gives a 5 year old such a thing? And why would it have been in the Avengers compound, and not in a safe in their country house?

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If it were anything to do with Laura I'd have to question why that shit would even exist.

I still have to question why it even exists but it could potentially have an answer as long as we don't know who it's for

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Kate's mom "Being good isn't always enough to keep you alive."

This line is dripping with subtext. I can't tell if it's a subtle threat to Clint or it's foreshadowing some shit going on with her. Possibly both

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Kate's mom "Being good isn't always enough to keep you alive."

This line is dripping with subtext. I can't tell if it's a subtle threat to Clint or it's foreshadowing some shit going on with her. Possibly both

I am almost positive she is a bad guy. The person she was trying to get ahold of at the beginning of the episode is undoubtedly Kingpin. Her and Jack are both working for him I bet

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

I am almost positive she is a bad guy. The person she was trying to get ahold of at the beginning of the episode is undoubtedly Kingpin. Her and Jack are both working for him I bet

My theory is that it might be Valentina, right before the post-credits scene in Black Widow.

But I also have no doubt she's still working for him.

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Medussa posted...

ok, thanos was right being some bathroom graffiti was one thing... but on a coffee mug? that's not ok.

yay, the larpers are back =)

You realize there are people in the real world that support some pretty heinous shit, right? Its not too far fetched to believe there would be people in a fictional world that support the same kind of heinous shit.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

You realize there are people in the real world that support some pretty heinous shit, right? Its not too far fetched to believe there would be people in a fictional world that support the same kind of heinous shit.

Theres a faction in the Marvel world that agrees with Thanos actions. So youre 100% right.
I think Yelena attacked Clint because she thinks he killed Natasha.

sorry, tone is hard in text. i wasn't being serious.

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daynlokki posted...

I think Yelena attacked Clint because she thinks he killed Natasha.

Yeah, Val makes it clear to her that he's responsible when she meets her at Nat's grave to assign Yelena's next target.

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Medussa posted...

sorry, tone is hard in text. i wasn't being serious.

Fair enough.

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daynlokki posted...

Theres a faction in the Marvel world that agrees with Thanos actions. So youre 100% right.
I think Yelena attacked Clint because she thinks he killed Natasha.

Black Widow spoilers

Valentina basically implies that he did to Yolena in the post credits scene.

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Its pretty flimsy when you think about what the world looked like when the snap happened.

Airplanes crashing, patients dying in surgery, mines collapsing, babies dropped on concrete as their mother vanishes......so aliens dont run out of food? Pretty weak.

Got me thinking though. Why the FUCK did the Avengers publicly announce Thanos's ideals? He just killed half the life in the universe and theyre out here downplaying it and spreading a mad idiot's ideology? Why?

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I think her mom is working with Kingpin, but the phone call she made was to Valentina. That's why Yelena kind of goes out of her way to protect Kate.

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InfinityMonster posted...

Yeah, Val makes it clear to her that he's responsible when she meets her at Nat's grave to assign Yelena's next target.

Makes you wonder, what proof did she offer of that claim that Yelena would believe.

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