Current Events > 53 year old Baywatch star reveals why she went vegan.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

lol you actually think this is some kind of "gotcha"

i guess it's easy to make a statement into a gotcha if you completely ignore the point of the statement and make up your own

Your point is a ridiculous and uninformed appeal to nature. "We've done this for a long time" is not a valid reason to keep doing something.

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Ysmir posted...

Your point is a ridiculous and uninformed appeal to nature. "We've done this for a long time" is not a valid reason to keep doing something.

He believes humans have a physiological requirement for meat.

DuranOfForcena posted...

oh please, put more words in my mouth

So explain what your point "actually is" if not that humans have always eaten meat so we can't shame them for it now.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

it is biologically, physically, and evolutionarily advantageous for humans to eat meat

It was in the past. It is not necessary in any aspect now.

DuranOfForcena posted...

just as it has always been

Not a valid argument.

DuranOfForcena posted...

just as it has always been for every predator consuming the prey that enables them to survive and thrive.

Humans are neither obligate carnivores nor obligate omnivores. We are also capable of making moral judgments, unlike other animals. Also unlike other animals, we run factory farms instead of hunting for sustenance.

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Ysmir posted...

So explain what your point "actually is" if not that humans have always eaten meat so we can't shame them for it now.

Maybe find an argument that doesn't involve shaming people? Just a thought.

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Either way you look at it, culture and tradition has now effectively replaced or substituted morality, and by not being a vegan, you are inadvertently contributing to the mass slaughter of billions of sentient creatures and the downfall of the planet's beauty and ecosystems, by paying for the products that you consume. The reason why they aren't as expensive as the plant-based alternatives is because the corn and soy crops the animals are fed are subsidized by the government. What you make up for with a lower price, you get countless metric tons of feces, chemicals, pollutants and sludge dumped into the land, seas and skies every day. All the pig farms in North Carolina make as much sewage in one year as the entire US eastern seaboard. And then there's the zoonotic disease problem that's beginning to skyrocket out of control thanks to mass commercial animal farming. We're getting superbugs that are impervious to antibiotics and other modern medicine that make COVID-19 look like a plush toy, and soon our medical repitoire will be effectively reduced down to the levels of the 19th century, where a minor scrape or slip-up at a dentist office can lead to a life threatening infection with no antibiotics that can help.

The best thing you can do for personal health, your family and friends, the animals we share the planet with, and the very planet itself, is to choose a more plant-based diet or go fully vegan. And it's not even that hard or expensive to follow. Rice and beans are very healthy and cheap. You don't miss out on your favorite foods because you can still enjoy them, just with different ingredients. And your health will benefit massively.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

is not unethical or immoral or wrong or any such nonsense.

Just out of curiosity, what are some things you do consider unethical or immoral?

DuranOfForcena posted...

it's not necessary, yes, but it's still advantageous, and is not unethical or immoral or wrong or any such nonsense.

it's not a valid argument to say that it's immoral or unethical when it has literally been the way of the world for millions of years, and will continue to be the way of the world for every species of predator that has prey it consumes regardless of what a small minority of humans want to claim is a better way

nor are we obligate herbivores. we can choose to consume whatever we want to consume, and choosing to consume meat is not immoral or unethical or outdated or obsolete or anything else.

i'm not sure this is entirely accurate

if wolves could figure out how to factory farm sheep, i have every confidence that they would definitely do so

Lmao you're so misguided and full of shit. You can't seriously believe factory farms are ethical.

We have eaten meat for millions of years, yes. We haven't been torturing them though. There's a huge difference.

And if a wolf factory farmed sheep, that would be unethical too, so I'm not sure what your argument is.

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how about someone whose username is Xenozoa425?

i'm sure you have some 'lol's and 'lmao's left to mask your deep insecurity over this issue

don't hold out

Xenozoa425 posted...

And then there's the zoonotic disease problem that's beginning to skyrocket out of control thanks to mass commercial animal farming. We're getting superbugs that are impervious to antibiotics and other modern medicine that make COVID-19 look like a plush toy, and soon our medical repitoire will be effectively reduced down to the levels of the 19th century, where a minor scrape or slip-up at a dentist office can lead to a life threatening infection with no antibiotics that can help.

I've had a lot of debates with meat eaters about veganism, and they will argue with you until they are blue in the face about the ethics, health, and environmental aspects of meat, but they usually won't touch the zoonotic disease issue with a ten foot pole. Even if you don't give a damn about animal welfare I don't know how anyone could see what happens in factory farms and slaughterhouses and not feel disgusted and terrified about putting that in their mouths.

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Congratulations

Give this rich woman a medal for being privileged enough to go 100% Vegan.

Shes such an inspiration

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SSJPurple posted...

Congratulations

Give this rich woman a medal for being privileged enough to go 100% Vegan.

Shes such an inspiration

You do not have to be rich to go vegan.

ZannoL posted...

You do not have to be rich to go vegan.

No but you do have to be privileged to go all vegan and get proper nourishment/nutrition.

Yeah poor people can survive off ramen and rice but its not healthy.

Veganism is a privilege. In America there are food deserts where there isnt a single fresh vegetable in a reasonable traveling distance.

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I don't consume factory farmed meats. I also still eat meat.

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SSJPurple posted...

No but you do have to be privileged to go all vegan and get proper nourishment/nutrition.

Yeah poor people can survive off ramen and rice but its not healthy.

Veganism is a privilege. In America there are food deserts where there isnt a single fresh vegetable in a reasonable traveling distance.

Are you playing dumb or actually dumb?

You ever heard of legumes?

Any idea how much much they cost?

reminder that duranoforcena is almost 40 and cried to CE in multiple topics after he creeped out and got rejected by some girl that was paid to be nice to him and kept asking her workplace about her after it was clear she didn't want to have anything to do with him
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

reminder that duranoforcena is almost 40 and cried to CE in multiple topics after he creeped out and got rejected by some girl that was paid to be nice to him and kept asking her workplace about her after it was clear she didn't want to have anything to do with him

What the hell?

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

reminder that duranoforcena is almost 40 and cried to CE in multiple topics after he creeped out and got rejected by some girl that was paid to be nice to him and kept asking her workplace about her after it was clear she didn't want to have anything to do with him

that's a shame but nah, have seen more than enough from this thread alone

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

reminder that duranoforcena is almost 40 and cried to CE in multiple topics after he creeped out and got rejected by some girl that was paid to be nice to him and kept asking her workplace about her after it was clear she didn't want to have anything to do with him

his take on veganism is shit but this kind of spreadsheet tracking harassment stuff people on here do also is shit

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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

reminder that duranoforcena is almost 40 and cried to CE in multiple topics after he creeped out and got rejected by some girl that was paid to be nice to him and kept asking her workplace about her after it was clear she didn't want to have anything to do with him

It's totally inappropriate to bring that up. Different topic entirely, and harassment.

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ThyCorndog posted...

veganism is the morally correct choice. everything else is cope. I'm not vegan but I acknowledge I'm a hypocrite. it's like how I don't donate a lot of money to the needy even though it'd be the right thing to do

Yeah, Im not vegan, but I agree with your points. I donate to charity fairly often and friends push back on that sometimes, so I guess the analogy with going vegan is apt.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

is there a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to mugging or punching people in the face?

.... >_> technically yes

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SSJPurple posted...

Veganism is a privilege. In America there are food deserts where there isnt a single fresh vegetable in a reasonable traveling distance.

It being a privelege is just your opinion. The reality is that canned vegetables are just as good as fresh and frozen. Not exactly ideal, but still better than the uber processed prepacked foods you find in those areas, as they are very high in sodium, fiber-less refined carbs, inflammatory fats, cholesterol and preservatives.

And as the other poster said, beans. Probably the single most nutritionally dense complete food group, and they are dirt cheap, canned or dry. A nearly full can of beans has about the same calories as a roughly 3oz piece of a good cut of steak. The beans costs much less, are shelf stable for months or years, more satiating and fills you up more for longer time periods, doesn't require cooking or seasoning like the steak does, needs much less water to grow than the cow, does not require metric tons of feed, does not produce waste products that need to be transported, converted to manure or deposited into bodies of water, and does not need to be killed in a slaughterhouse.

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