Current Events > Why are people defending the Rittenhouse verdict?

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I've seen people say, "I'm glad he was found not guilty". It's almost like, people are angry, because a black man would have been jailed, even if he killed in self-defense.

Did you watch the video?

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jstewart01 posted...

It's almost like, people are angry

It's almost like people are angry about a hypothetical situation that they've created in their own minds and didn't happen.

That's just silly.

Squall28 posted...

Did you watch the video?

there is more than just the video, we dont know what other evidence there is

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There is no reason to celebrate a verdict unless you have some ulterior motive. People get justice every day. What could possibly make Rittenhouse special?

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jstewart01 posted...

I've seen people say, "I'm glad he was found not guilty". It's almost like, people are angry, because a black man would have been jailed, even if he killed in self-defense.

I have no feelings about it, its just how the system works, innocent until proven guilty, I guess the prosecutor didnt prove it

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jstewart01 posted...

I've seen people say, "I'm glad he was found not guilty". It's almost like, people are angry, because a black man would have been jailed, even if he killed in self-defense.

You can be okay with Rittenhouse getting a just outcome and simultaneously not be happy when a black man doesnt
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_HayleyWilliams posted...

There is no reason to celebrate a verdict unless you have some ulterior motive. People get justice every day. What could possibly make Rittenhouse special?

Anytime a contentious trial is held under public scrutiny and the system upholds it's written and case law to a high standard of conduct is a time to celebrate. That our justice system can demonstrate a high degree of spearation from media and public speculation is something to be happy about, even if you disagree with the verdict.

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g980 posted...

You can be okay with Rittenhouse getting a just outcome and simultaneously not be happy when a black man doesnt

Yeah, two wrongs don't make a right

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Gladius_ posted...

I disagree but understand your reasoning. We shouldn't be celebrating when the justice system works as intended. We should be fighting it when it doesn't.

We... should be doing both. It's not a dichotomy of one or the other.

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It's a matter of celebration when justice is served and an innocent young man isn't found guilty of a crime he didn't commit.
Unanimously.

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AssultTank posted...

Celebrate when it works correctly

Why should we ever celebrate that?

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AssultTank posted...

Because this trial got politicized beyond belief, and people are refusing to admit that they may have been wrong about their initial impressions of the case because it would be a loss for their team.

It's a fascinating display of tribalism in politics leading to left leaning people doing a lot of the very same things they constantly bash the extreme right for doing. Ignoring evidence and pushing misinformation being the big two.

it is wild, like they did it without blinking

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Why should we ever celebrate that?

Did you complain about people celebrating the Chauvin outcome? Or is this reticence something you've newly gained upon the completion of the Rittenhouse trial?

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So, the people crying racism are complaining that Rittenhouse was found not guilty where a black man would have been found guilty for the same thing. Did they want Rittenhouse to be found guilty just out of spite, or is there some cognitive dissonance thing going on here?

To be clear, it is terrible that a black man would invariably have had a much worse time with this trial. I still don't see how that has any bearing on this particular verdict itself.

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Because racists got their win and now have a loophole to start killing minorities.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

So, the people crying racism are complaining that Rittenhouse was found not guilty where a black man would have been found guilty for the same thing. Did they want Rittenhouse to be found guilty just out of spite, or is there some cognitive dissonance thing going on here?

yeah rittenhouse should've been convicted because liberal feelings and a what if

AlphaCuck posted...

it is wild, like they did it without blinking

Why won't you guys address the right's curious celebration? It is so clear that both Rittenhouse and the verdict are irrelevant. This isn't about justice on that side either.

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Gladius_ posted...

In principle this is good but in reality when a verdict is celebrated you risk rubbing it in the face of the party who hoped for a different outcome such as the families involved. Yes, because of their circumstances they were biased but seeing people celebrate the punishment of a loved one isn't a good take or look.

I don't know. I feel it's more complicated than that.

Maybe. But I view reinforcing an ideal justice system as vastly more important than protecting the feelings of some aggrieved parties.

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Remember the Michael Drejka case where he was shoved to the ground and shot the guy in self defense and got 20 years.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

So, the people crying racism are complaining that Rittenhouse was found not guilty where a black man would have been found guilty for the same thing. Did they want Rittenhouse to be found guilty just out of spite, or is there some cognitive dissonance thing going on here?

To be clear, it is terrible that a black man would invariably have had a much worse time with this trial. I still don't see how that has any bearing on this particular verdict itself.

I just don't want people celebrating "justice" when they go digging for proof that a victim doesn't deserve justice when it goes against their political narrative. I'm never quite sure if human beings are malicious or completely lack self-awareness. The ability to be consistently hypocritical without blinking is a stunning accomplishment of the human race.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Why won't you guys address the right's curious celebration? It is so clear that both Rittenhouse and the verdict are irrelevant. This isn't about justice on that side either.

the ones that are celebrating because he didn't get railroaded by a prosecutor i don't see what the problem is. matt gaetz and madison cawthorn are hacks. what do you want me to say

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Why won't you guys address the right's curious celebration? It is so clear that both Rittenhouse and the verdict are irrelevant. This isn't about justice on that side either.

The Right are usually shitty, but I'm not going to view criticizing the right over their pettiness as more important than protecting and improving the fundamental pillars of polite society. I would much rather have a good justice system even if it means the Right are occasionally vindicated.

That doesn't mean we HAVE a particularly good justice system, specifically due to institutional racism and draconian drug laws, but you don't dismiss it out of hand when it meets a high standard of conduct in general. You applaud it then move on to the next issue.

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Because it was an empty case. If you watched the whole thing, it should reinforce how shitty prosecutors are and the lengths they go to just put you away on whatever.

That the jury saw beyond that and the mounting media pressure is a great thing.

Also the left's extreme cognitive dissonance with this is obviously gonna lead to a lot on the right rubbing it in since they were right about the self-defense.

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trappedunderice posted...

Remember the Michael Drejka case where he was shoved to the ground and shot the guy in self defense and got 20 years.

Bad example, honestly. Drejka started a confrontation with McGlockton's family. McGlockton came out of the store and pushed Drejka to the ground, but then when Drejka's gun was drawn, McGlockton backed away with his hands up. Drejka shot McGlockton while the latter was withdrawing, and Drejka had started the confrontation in the first place, which is why he caught a manslaughter charge.

AssultTank posted...

Because the carrot and the stick together work better than just the stick.

Why is doing the bare minimum the carrot? Do we celebrate not dying in car accidents on the way to work?

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Did you complain about people celebrating the Chauvin outcome? Or is this reticence something you've newly gained upon the completion of the Rittenhouse trial?

But cops being above the law is the norm, so one facing justice was a surprise. I would never celebrate an expected outcome.

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MGS_4_evah posted...

Bad example, honestly. Drejka started a confrontation with McGlockton's family. McGlockton came out of the store and pushed Drejka to the ground, but then when Drejka's gun was drawn, McGlockton backed away with his hands up. Drejka shot McGlockton while the latter was withdrawing, and Drejka had started the confrontation in the first place, which is why he caught a manslaughter charge.

Oof, yeah. Every case is judged on its merits. If this is indeed a complete picture, then this verdict sounds exactly like what the opponents of the Rittenhouse verdict desire.

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Regardless of most circumstances, in the end a victim testified essentially in full support of self-defense. Honestly that testimony alone probably meant the case was going one way only. I don't really think there's anything political behind it, nor do most ppl understand what it takes to get one verdict or another

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trappedunderice posted...

Remember the Michael Drejka case where he was shoved to the ground and shot the guy in self defense and got 20 years.

McGlockton was walking away when Drejka shot him, Drejkas team didnt even attempt to argue self-defense.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

The Right are usually shitty, but I'm not going to view criticizing the right over their pettiness as more important than protecting and improving the fundamental pillars of polite society. I would much rather have a good justice system even if it means the Right are occasionally vindicated.

That doesn't mean we HAVE a particularly good justice system, specifically due to institutional racism and draconian drug laws, but you don't dismiss it out of hand when it meets a high standard of conduct in general. You applaud it then move on to the next issue.

I don't have a problem with it working. I have a problem with celebrating it working and how 90% of the celebration has less than nothing to do with that. We can't just ignore the larger narrative. I actually kind of feel bad for Rittenhouse because he is being used by worse people for shitty reasons.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

I don't have a problem with it working. I have a problem with celebrating it working

why

AssultTank posted...

When training a dog, do you just hit it every time it does something you don't like?

No, you give positive reinforcement when it engages in behaviors you want to encourage.

The government isn't a dog. The least they can do is the bare minimum. Celebrate almost nothing and they will give you almost nothing.

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What is even the point of this "if he were black" hypothetical? Are you trying to say that because a black man wouldn't be treated justly we should strive to treat everyone unjustly? That's a rediculous way of looking at it.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

There is no reason to celebrate a verdict unless you have some ulterior motive. People get justice every day. What could possibly make Rittenhouse special?

Glad you had this same belief after the Chauvin trial. Lol hypocrite

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Solid Snake07 posted...

What is even the point of this "if he were black" hypothetical? Are you trying to say that because a black man wouldn't be treated justly we should strive to treat everyone unjustly? That's a rediculous way of looking at it.

I guess that's one way of looking at it. The other is "where is the justice for everyone? Where are these fans of justice when justice is not served?"

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Glad you had this same belief after the Chauvin trial. Lol hypocrite

I have never been hypocritical in my entire life. I feel like one of the few people with sense in this joke of a fucking planet.

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

I have never been hypocritical in my entire life. I feel like one of the few people with sense in this joke of a fucking planet.

Delusional people often feel like the only sane person. Everyone else is the problem.

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See for some people it's not about justice or the system working and delivering an accurate by law verdict. For some people it's about us VS them and them can't ever be in the right.

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Ilishe posted...

See for some people it's not about justice or the system working and delivering an accurate by law verdict. For some people it's about us VS them and them can't ever be in the right.

And we are seeing that on both sides

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

I have never been hypocritical in my entire life.

This is an extremely bold claim.