Current Events > Would a $10 minimum wage be good?

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Idk what living expenses in a city is like. But I feel like advocating $10 min wage would be easier than $15. $15 seems like a long shot

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no, even $15 is not good enough anymore

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I look at the places around here that are hiring. They all seem to be hiring over $10 that are advertising. I guess the places that aren't don't advertise their wage. But it's clear where you would want to apply.

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A national minimum of 15 would barely close the gap unless you forced businesses to keep their prices fixed as they are right now.

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The highest was $1.60 in 1968, which works out to $12.61 or so now.

$10 is too little with inflation.

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Why don't we just literally make it $20? You see Republicans say "what do you want minimum wage to be, $20?!" like it's outlandish. Except it isn't. Make it happen.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Why don't we just literally make it $20?

If you don't create $20 of value in an hour, your job will cease to exist.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If you don't create $20 of value in an hour, your job will cease to exist.

Who doesn't create $20 of value in an hour? Fast food workers are making like $80 of food an hour.

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Just have the government be the only company and then you wont have an issue with the minimum wage. You cant close the government due to lost production and all the money will be enclosed in the unisystem. That way you can give everyone a fair wage.

Capitalism just supports evil

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Pepys Monster posted...

Fast food workers are making like $80 of food an hour.

But... what of the dead cow?

lol maybe then people will only need to have 2 roommates to afford an apartment's rent

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Delicious dead cow

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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Just have the government be the only company and then you wont have an issue with the minimum wage. You cant close the government due to lost production and all the money will be enclosed in the unisystem. That way you can give everyone a fair wage.

Capitalism just supports evil

You want everything government controlled? Wouldn't it be better to have UBI, and people can optionally work a job?

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There is an enormous difference in the cost of living from state to state. $15 an hour isn't enough if you live in California, Boston, Seattle, etc. but in fly over country it's decent money, especially for the shitty jobs that pay minimum wage.

Pepys Monster posted...

You want everything government controlled? Wouldn't it be better to have UBI, and people can optionally work a job?

One is too many

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Pepys Monster posted...

You want everything government controlled? Wouldn't it be better to have UBI, and people can optionally work a job?

I'm pretty sure people oppose UBI because they say that's everyone living off the government and stealing our tax money.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm pretty sure people oppose UBI because they say that's everyone living off the government and stealing our tax money.

I support UBI. People shouldn't have to suffer during an economic recession when there are no jobs.

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Literally what is the point of taxes if not for the benefit of the people?

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Even with 16 an hour you could not save even a couple hundred dollars unless you were using a food bank. Then there's consideration for transportation. I guess if you live in a room, you could save a little bit more. Here in Seattle. A room could be found at 650. But it's like Harry Potter closet size.

I remember when I lived in a room. I could save about half a months worth. Now that I'm living in a cheap apartment. Most of my check goes away to that, car, and food.

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pfh1001 posted...

There is an enormous difference in the cost of living from state to state. $15 an hour isn't enough if you live in California, Boston, Seattle, etc. but in fly over country it's decent money, especially for the shitty jobs that pay minimum wage.

Yeah it would be great where I live. Small Town MS. But that's why I was asking for cities or suburbs or whatever

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even 15 is too low nowadays. i see so many hard working people who are underpaid and can't save money because bills eat their whole measly check

Wetterdew posted...

i see so many hard working people who are underpaid and can't save money because bills eat their whole measly check

Your employer didn't give you four children and a F-350.

An employer who does give you a F-350, is pretty fucking awesome.

Abolish minimum wage. Get rid of it. When you set a minimum wage you are giving companies an excuse to pay people bare minimum. People dont want government control. Fine.

Get rid of minimum wage and let the market decide. We saw last year that minimum wage jobs had to significantly raise wages to keep staff. That was with no change to minimum wage laws. Let shitty businesses die when they cant afford to keep workers.

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Wetterdew posted...

even 15 is too low nowadays

around here with the rents. need closer to 20-25$ per hour to at least have a 1 bedroom apartment while having things (not fancy stuff).

i'm aware in southern oregon nearby eugene or springfield the rent is at least 25-30% cheaper.
(higher rate of shit going down however).
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MrDrMan posted...

Abolish minimum wage. Get rid of it. When you set a minimum wage you are giving companies an excuse to pay people bare minimum. People dont want government control. Fine.

Get rid of minimum wage and let the market decide. We saw last year that minimum wage jobs had to significantly raise wages to keep staff. That was with no change to minimum wage laws. Let shitty businesses die when they cant afford to keep workers.

I'm okay with this.
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MrDrMan posted...

Get rid of minimum wage and let the market decide. We saw last year that minimum wage jobs had to significantly raise wages to keep staff. That was with no change to minimum wage laws. Let shitty businesses die when they cant afford to keep workers.

Have I told you the good news of our lord and savior Thomas Sowell?

Umbreon posted...

Literally what is the point of taxes if not for the benefit of the people?

making weapons and threatening foreign leaders

MrDrMan posted...

let the market decide

this is only fine when there is a sufficient social safety net that it's the businesses that die, and not the people

because otherwise it becomes a waiting game, and only one side can secure a loan to keep the lights on

minimum wage has been government's attempt to say "how about we pre-emptively determine the outcome of that and nobody dies?"

but yeah i'm fine with casualties so long as they're concentrated all on the side of employers

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Sackgurl posted...

because otherwise it becomes a waiting game, and only one side can secure a loan to keep the lights on

Radio Shack and Toys R Us didn't, and that was before covid turned shit sideways.

We need to merge Radio Shack and Toys R Us and revive them

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Smackems posted...

We need to merge Radio Shack and Toys R Us and revive them

+Montgomery Ward
+Circuit City
+Frys

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Just have the government be the only company and then you wont have an issue with the minimum wage. You cant close the government due to lost production and all the money will be enclosed in the unisystem. That way you can give everyone a fair wage.

Capitalism just supports evil

Having government control everything just makes things worse.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Radio Shack and Toys R Us didn't, and that was before covid turned shit sideways.

Yeah I dont think these businesses are as powerful as we think. Reddit has been destroying Wall Street and people know the power of the collective now.

At least personally Ill never forget this time when businesses showed they really could have paid more this entire time. We really could have worked from home this entire time. This is only the beginning.

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Smackems posted...

We need to merge Radio Shack and Toys R Us and revive them

I've thought a merger between Radio Shack and Tracker Supply would be amazing.
The Electronic parts stuff, and the outdoor stuff. It would have been such a fun store.
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MrDrMan posted...

At least personally Ill never forget this time when businesses showed they really could have paid more this entire time.

Literally since 1968.

We really could have worked from home this entire time. This is only the beginning.

That wasn't really viable until 2005 or so. Maybe 1995, or 1985 in fringe cases.

VA is raising it's minimum to $15 over the next few years. It went up to $9.50 earlier this year, and will be $11 in January. I'm not complaining.

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CHM_Punk posted...

Thomas Sowell is Milton Friedman for conservatives that like to say I dont see color that constantly complain about how liberals are the real racists!.

Reading Basic Economics in my 40s fucked up my politics more than reading Nineteen Eighty-Four did in highschool.

It would good in some areas, not good in others. Which is why minimum wage should be the cost of living for a particular area rather than attempting at a one size fits all solution.

CHM_Punk posted...

the people that like to highlight him use him as the black dude that echos their own social commentary.

Dude, without "black".

Theyll conveniently ignore Sowell highlighting why tariffs suck or vaccines being a net good lol.

I've read a lot of Sowell. Tariffs are always a net failure, and vaccines are a bad hill to die on.

minwage is approximately $11 USD in my province. It ranges from 9-11 USD across the country.

15 CAD is not enough to support oneself while worknig 40 hours a week. especially since most minwage jobs do not offer any benefits, so all dental/optometry work is paid out of pocket, which can be thousands of dollars a year

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Naysaspace posted...

$11 USD in my province.

If that's CAD, that's not very good.
Oh, you converted it. What's that in $CAD?

Big retailers are all moving to $15/hr, and Amazon has been there for a while. It's going to be the new norm, too much demand for workers.

bknight posted...

Big retailers are all moving to $15/hr, and Amazon has been there for a while. It's going to be the new norm, too much demand for workers.

At-will employment goes both ways, and the employees have the momentum now.