Current Events > I have a question for people who believe in God

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Why did God create pedophiles and rapists?

This is just an incomplete framing of the Problem of Evil.

The stupid response they will give you is that "God gave Everyone free will" as if that answers the question.

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Because humans have free will. Some will be good. Others might torture puppies and record it for the internet.

The harder to answer question is why does child cancer, genetic diseases, torturous infections, worms/flies that bury their eggs in your eyes, hurricanes, wild fires, and tsunamis exist.
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I have better questions.

Why God created human even thought God know human will be shit,killer, destroy environment and don't believe in God?
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You're not supposed to ask these sorts of questions.

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Southernfatman posted...

You're not supposed to ask these sorts of questions.

This is verbatim what my youth pastors told me

"God's plan is unknowable"

lol ok, a 12 year old debunked your world view

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Man I thought/hoped we were past the edgelord atheist phase of the internet, and I say that as an atheist. The only thing you're post is missing is ending it with "checkmate, christians."

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codey posted...

Man I thought/hoped we were past the edgelord atheist phase of the internet, and I say that as an atheist. The only thing you're post is missing is ending it with "checkmate, christians."

Why is it edgy to question religious beliefs?

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codey posted...

Man I thought/hoped we were past the edgelord atheist phase of the internet, and I say that as an atheist. The only thing you're post is missing is ending it with "checkmate, christians."

No, I'm genuinely curious.

Why dont we talk about the apocalypse and work our way back? Shall we?

You should ask God rather than us

Yeah

Ask god. I was thinking the same thing.

JimmyFraska posted...

You should ask God rather than us

But then that means that the people who believe in a God don't believe in a moral and just God who represents all that is good.

they are sinning. what do you want us to say

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hockeybub89 posted...

Why is it edgy to question religious beliefs?

Don't be dishonest, it's the way you raise these questions. I can almost see TC's smug face as he hammered out the words on his keyboard.

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Vyrulisse posted...

Don't be dishonest, it's the way you raise these questions. I can almost see TC's smug face as he hammered out the words on his keyboard.

You didnt answer his question. None of you people ever answer yourselves when questioned

For the former? Don't know(Since attraction to children is considered a mental illness).

For the latter? People were given free will. Some use it to hurt others.

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People will ask questions like this (or instantly dismiss answers like the second poster did) and then in the same breath laugh at people who believe in a sky wizard that created the Earth 6000 years ago.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

You didnt answer his question. None of you people ever answer yourselves when questioned

I'm an atheist, and they've already answered the question. The christian answer is that god gave people free will. It's the same answer for any Christian sin.

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Societies values changed.
Rape and child abuse were pretty prevalent back then. We have a written history of it.

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The bible teaches that we are ALL wretched little sinners and assholes to some degree because of original sin, and we all deserve eternal hellfire.

The one thing about any mainstream religion I kind of agree with.

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Original sin is generally a Catholic belief.

When its not, it usually includes predestination.

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Creation of the material world was a mistake by a lesser god, made with stolen power. This world is protected by a firewall. God is slowly hacking into this world to recover all of it back. Jesus came to teach us how to awaken and escape this material world. It may take a few more billion years, though.


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Attitude_Era posted...

Why did God create pedophiles and rapists?

he didnt, they become those based on their actions and following satan instead of God

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Laserion posted...

Creation of the material world was a mistake by a lesser god, made with stolen power. This world is protected by a firewall. God is slowly hacking into this world to recover all of it back. Jesus came to teach us how to awaken and escape this material world. It may take a few more billion years, though.

This is basically what the Cathars (and other gnostics) believed.

Then there are other theologians who believe we are all fragmented aspects of the Godhead and God is basically just bored and decided to trick themself into thinking they arent God. In other words, suffering is all part of the game.

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Never heard of a case of an immaculately conceived rapist or pedophile.

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There is a religion board: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/263-religion

To answer your question, as other people have said: "free will".

Notti posted...

The harder to answer question is why does child cancer, genetic diseases, torturous infections, worms/flies that bury their eggs in your eyes, hurricanes, wild fires, and tsunamis exist.

After mankind got kicked out of the Garden of Eden, they became susceptible to disease, infection, and natural disasters.

Actually, if nobody is affected by a hurricane, is it still a disaster? It only matters if people are living in places where those extreme weather events happen. We can either suppose that, if mankind had never sinned, God would tell people to not live in those places, He would instruct people on how to safely deal with those events, or he would just prevent them from happening.

Perhaps extreme weather is necessary for the functioning of the planet? Like volcanoes or plate tectonics, or whatever else. It's only "bad" when humans are negatively affected by it.

Why God created human even thought God know human will be shit,killer, destroy environment and don't believe in God?

Does God know the future? Is that what Omniscience means?
Does the future exist? If not, can one have knowledge of that which does not exist?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

None of you people ever answer yourselves when questioned

What do you mean, "you people"?

Mr Hangman posted...

A god that is omnipotent and omniscient is fundamentally incompatible with free will

Only under certain definitions of "omniscient".
Some define "omniscient" as "able to know everything that can be known".

Like I asked above, does the future exist? Can one have knowledge of that which does not exist?
If the answer to these questions are "no", then God can still be said to be omniscient, while lacking knowledge of the future.

Mr Hangman posted...

Religious people will focus on whichever of those aspects is most convenient for them at the moment and silence the voice in their head saying that doesn't make sense with thought-terminating cliches like "God works in mysterious ways" or "We can never understand God" etc.

Except people like me, I guess. Maybe don't generalize so much.

I don't remember the part in the bible where it said "And on the 8th day, God said let their be pedophiles and rapists"

People twist themselves into those awful things

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OrangeWizard posted...

Like I asked above, does the future exist? Can one have knowledge of that which does not exist?
If the answer to these questions are "no", then God can still be said to be omniscient, while lacking knowledge of the future.

If someone is omniscient, then they should be able to correctly answer everything about the future too. "Time" is just the changes in the configuration of the universe based on increasing entropy, and those changes are deterministic. Anyone who has all knowledge of the present should easily be able to predict the future.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

If someone is omniscient, then they should be able to correctly answer everything about the future too. "Time" is just the changes in the configuration of the universe based on increasing entropy, and those changes are deterministic. Anyone who has all knowledge of the present should easily be able to predict the future.

Yes, that's one theorized model of the universe, but it has not been proven to be fact.

I'm not religious, but I can be spiritual. There might be a God, but I don't think it's the Abrahamic God. If a God does it exist, it's definitely something completely different from what we think. It also does not care about us based on everything that has happened in the world.

We are alone.

Mr Hangman posted...

We all have knowledge of the future. We know the sun will come up tomorrow

You believe that the sun will come up tomorrow. That's not knowledge.

The earth might be obliterated in a solar flare, or hit by an asteroid, or aliens/god/godlike-aliens could throw our entire solar system into a black hole. We don't know that these things won't happen.

It's like that quote from The Matrix. "Hume teaches us that no matter how many times you drop a stone and it falls to the floor, you never know what'll happen the next time you drop it. It might fall to the floor, but then again it might float to the ceiling. Past experience never proves the future."

Like I said to EmbraceOfDeath, your objection is heavily based on one (unproven) model of the universe, of which there are multiple.

Aki_Sora posted...

I have better questions.

Why God created human even thought God know human will be shit,killer, destroy environment and don't believe in God?

This question is indeed better because I enjoy how it is wordes
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As an atheist, this is a very stupid gotcha question unless the person believes in predestination. The answer will always be "cuz God gave us free will to do whatever".

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Prestoff posted...

As an atheist, this is a very stupid gotcha question unless the person believes in predestination. The answer will always be "cuz God gave us free will to do whatever".

Seems pretty shitty for an all-knowing "loving" being to allow people to exercise free will to hurt others. Makes him pretty evil to just accept millions/billions of murder and rape victims, war refugees, trauma sufferers as the cost of free will. Where is his heart for them? Also, why did he create mental illness and birth defects?

God being a passive force who merely kicked off the universe and then fucked off isn't exactly the common belief amongst the major religions.

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There's a difference between fucking off and intentionally not interfering.

You imply that the only acceptable god is one that is actively working to make the world perfect. But I'm sure you don't believe that type of god exists. So what do you want?

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Attitude_Era posted...

Why did God create pedophiles and rapists?

God didn't do any of that. We did all of that of our own accord because we are fucking vile creatures thanks to our desire to have the knowledge of good and evil instead of staying naive about such reprehensible shit.

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Cuz god gave us free will to choose not to act on our impulses. The stranger question is why did God give some people these urges to begin with? Is he a sick fuck or is he just testing them?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Seems pretty shitty for an all-knowing "loving" being to allow people to exercise free will to hurt others. Makes him pretty evil to just accept millions/billions of murder and rape victims, war refugees, trauma sufferers as the cost of free will. Where is his heart for them? Also, why did he create mental illness and birth defects?

God being a passive force who merely kicked off the universe and then fucked off isn't exactly the common belief amongst the major religions.

I mean have you heard of the old testament? Christians are really into the new testament version of god that's all hugs and kisses but they like to ignore how he was a savage dickhead in the old testament.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

There's a difference between fucking off and intentionally not interfering.

You imply that the only acceptable god is one that is actively working to make the world perfect. But I'm sure you don't believe that type of god exists. So what do you want?

I don't believe in anything period. It is proven or unproven, but I would want a benevolent god if they existed, not some shithead that lets children be molested or born with severe disabilities.

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skermac posted...

he didnt, they become those based on their actions and following satan instead of God

does god know the future?

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i have a counter question... if pedophilia is found to be caused by chemical imbalances in the brain or childhood trauma... is it still free will that god will judge?

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It's not like God said, "I'm gonna give this guy bad impulses."

Even if a person is attracted to something they shouldn't be, it doesn't mean they have no control over their actions. I like breasts. That doesn't mean I grope every woman I see regardless of consent.

FortuneCookie posted...

It's not like God said, "I'm gonna give this guy bad impulses."

Even if a person is attracted to something they shouldn't be, it doesn't mean they have no control over their actions. I like breasts. That doesn't mean I grope every woman I see regardless of consent.

Does God force some people to play on hard mode for shits and giggles? Why do the urges even exist?

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Perhaps next you should ask us why God allows anything considered to be objectively negative by every possible observer to happen. And then when there's no answer you find acceptable maybe you could say 'Aha, check mate, theists!'. Then clap yourself on the back for possessing such a vast intellect.

Good for you, TC.

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I have another question. Does god exempt autistic, downs syndrome and/or any other mentally challenged person from the sin accompanying free will?


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