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Tyranthraxus
10/30/21 10:57:28 AM
#102:


Xethuminra posted...
2005 account that Ive never seen before with 25 active posts hopping on the flame here to try and smear me as a convoluted gimmick

We were having a discussion. Nobody was fishing for attention or responses. But its hard to recognize. Communication online has reached like an all time low. People communicate in memes. So I get it

but yea of course Im genuine

Youre probably not tho. Like the other guy said. Alts. Sorry you feel threatened and need to hide behind a mask
Every fucking post you make is like a twist on the "are you aware" copypasta.

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Unknown5uspect
10/30/21 11:00:17 AM
#103:


Xethuminra posted...
I bet youre the kinda person who normally argues that evil is subjective.
Trolling, got it.

If you're sincere, then you need to shut the fuck up because your rhetoric will do nothing for my people and a lot against them.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:01:40 AM
#104:


That aggression is a massive problem.

Fix it
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Unknown5uspect
10/30/21 11:02:02 AM
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Fix yourself, dolt.

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CyricZ
10/30/21 11:02:21 AM
#106:


Xethuminra posted...
I bet youre the kinda person who normally argues that evil is subjective.
Uh, can you explain what you think evil is?

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:02:50 AM
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Its a problem for you. It prevents you from getting things you want.

Youre only hurting yourself
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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:03:41 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Uh, can you explain what you think evil is?
You wanna have the does evil exist debate?

That just shows how out of your league you are.
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Antifar
10/30/21 11:05:19 AM
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The biggest issue with the "punish the Democrats until they learn their lesson" approach is that they are going to learn the wrong lessons. They're bad at learning.

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CyricZ
10/30/21 11:05:48 AM
#110:


Xethuminra posted...
You wanna have the does evil exist debate?

That just shows how out of your league you are.
Uh so no then you won't explain what you think evil is. Got it.

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Doom_Art
10/30/21 11:06:43 AM
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Antifar posted...
The biggest issue with the "punish the Democrats until they learn their lesson" is that they are going to learn the wrong lessons. They're bad at learning.
The Democrats are going to inhale slowly, rub their eyes, and say to themselves "we need to be more racist"

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:11:49 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Uh so no then you won't explain what you think evil is. Got it.
Would that please you?
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RenescoStCewl
10/30/21 11:13:02 AM
#113:


Xethuminra posted...
2005 account that Ive never seen before with 25 active posts hopping on the flame here to try and smear me as a convoluted gimmick

We were having a discussion. Nobody was fishing for attention or responses. But its hard to recognize. Communication online has reached like an all time low. People communicate in memes. So I get it

but yea of course Im genuine

Youre probably not tho. Like the other guy said. Alts. Sorry you feel threatened and need to hide behind a mask
Lmao. This guy.

On topic. I don't know what the solution is. One party is actively trying to stop black people from voting and the other is full of politicians that are cowards too afraid to accomplish anything. Ones obviously worse than the other but I don't blame anyone for feeling like tc.

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Gwynevere
10/30/21 11:14:03 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
And you prove the point of my to tee. I said NOTHING about supporting the Republican. I said black people shouldn't support a party who doesn't care about us. And in your mind since Dems are owed the black vote that means I support Republicans.
Well, the unfortunate reality that we face is that if you don't vote for Democrats, Republicans win elections. The argument being that Democrats dont do enough, even though we've watched an infrastructure bill that progressives were holding out for get gutted because people just didn't feel like voting for Democrats, which put all the power in the hands of people like Manchin, Sinema, and the rest of the Republicans.

You seem to think that withholding your vote will teach them a lesson so that they'll think about black people next time, but there's a very real possibility that there wont even be a next time, once Republicans dismantle voting rights.

I hope you've got an actual plan B, cause the path this country is heading down is ugly as shit.

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LightHawKnight
10/30/21 11:19:18 AM
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Gwynevere posted...
Well, the unfortunate reality that we face is that if you don't vote for Democrats, Republicans win elections. The argument being that Democrats dont do enough, even though we've watched an infrastructure bill that progressives were holding out for get gutted because people just didn't feel like voting for Democrats, which put all the power in the hands of people like Manchin, Sinema, and the rest of the Republicans.

You seem to think that withholding your vote will teach them a lesson so that they'll think about black people next time, but there's a very real possibility that there wont even be a next time, once Republicans dismantle voting rights.

I hope you've got an actual plan B, cause the path this country is heading down is ugly as shit.

Yeah, I really dont understand people who think they can get way by not voting or voting third party. Republicans have way too many ride or die voters to reliably win against them without a unified front. Specially with all the cheating they are doing. All that gerrymandering, voter suppression that literally targets black voters, and when they lose, all the fraudits. And unfortunately democrats have enough ride or die voters that voting third party isn't going to cut it.

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BignutzisBack
10/30/21 11:20:01 AM
#116:


lolife67 posted...
Honestly? I oy see this type of thinking brought up by people who want to complain about it without offering any viable solutions.

That's because they get their head bitten off by people for not falling in line lol

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/30/21 11:25:45 AM
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Well, our current politicians rely on corporate donors and lobbyists, right?

Maybe it would be in our best interest to just bleed these corporations dry. Usually they'll only listen once that bank account is depleted.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:27:18 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Well, our current politicians rely on corporate donors and lobbyists, right?

Maybe it would be in our best interest to just bleed these corporations dry. Usually they'll only listen once that bank account is depleted.
No, how about just vote Democrat and pray they make the Republicans (who are supposed to be our kinsmen & rivals) just go away.

To fix problems that dont exist
while ignoring ones that actually do

dog eat dog world ?
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b_nolan
10/30/21 11:32:16 AM
#119:


Xethuminra posted...
No, how about just vote Democrat and pray they make the Republicans (who are supposed to be our kinsmen & rivals) just go away.

To fix problems that dont exist
while ignoring ones that actually do

dog eat dog world ?
Do you just pull sentences out of a hat when you post?

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:32:43 AM
#120:


b_nolan posted...
Do you just pull sentences out of a hat when you post?
No
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Taharqa_
10/30/21 11:32:56 AM
#121:


Xethuminra posted...
No, how about just vote Democrat and pray they make the Republicans (who are supposed to be our kinsmen & rivals) just go away.

To fix problems that dont exist
while ignoring ones that actually do

dog eat dog world ?

Not just any Democrat though, there's a big difference between Joe Manchin and Cori Bush.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:33:39 AM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Not just any Democrat though, there's a big difference between Joe Manchin and Cori Bush.
Oh but we gotta vote the popular candidate or they dont win. Keep chasing the winner instead of creating them? And well all end up Republicans
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CyricZ
10/30/21 11:33:50 AM
#123:


Xethuminra posted...
(who are supposed to be our kinsmen & rivals)
Now this is an odd thing to say.

Do we owe our "kinsmen" anything?

Is this "rivalry" something that has to be "fair for all sides", like sports? Is it unfair that Republicans routinely lose popular votes, do you think?

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lolife67
10/30/21 11:33:51 AM
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BignutzisBack posted...
That's because they get their head bitten off by people for not falling in line lol
That doesn't explain why they only post the problem without offering a viable solution.
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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:34:19 AM
#125:


CyricZ posted...
Now this is an odd thing to say.

Do we owe our "kinsmen" anything?

Is this "rivalry" something that has to be "fair for all sides", like sports? Is it unfair that Republicans routinely lose popular votes, do you think?
You dont seem to understand how society works. Cya in Utopia
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CyricZ
10/30/21 11:34:43 AM
#126:


Xethuminra posted...
You dont seem to understand how society works. Cya in Utopia
Ask the Whig Party how society works.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:35:47 AM
#127:


CyricZ posted...
Ask the Whig Party how society works.
Thats what Im saying. If you wanna joke around, why tackle serious topics? Youre such a social thing. *mutters*
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lolife67
10/30/21 11:36:20 AM
#128:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Well, our current politicians rely on corporate donors and lobbyists, right?

Maybe it would be in our best interest to just bleed these corporations dry. Usually they'll only listen once that bank account is depleted.
I already suggested we form out own lobbying group. Wielding our economic power seems like the best path forward but getting enough people on board will be the problem.

We could also focus on truly progressive candidates but a lot of black people are socially conservative, so that's another hurdle.
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Xethuminra
10/30/21 11:36:48 AM
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I am exiting the topic. Let the flame commence!!
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Tyranthraxus
10/30/21 11:39:02 AM
#130:


CyricZ posted...
Ask the Whig Party how society works.

The Whigs existed only to undo everything Andrew Jackson did and they accomplished it. They would later be folded into the republicans.

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NatsuSama
10/30/21 11:55:36 AM
#131:


Xethuminra posted...
The answer is to change the system and empower an independent party aka someone who isnt democrat or republican

you wanna know how, well. See my first post in this thread. You failed to meet that criteria.
Which again isn't a viable solution to stopping a party (Republicans) who are deliberately trying harm black people with things such as making it harder for black people to vote.

Simply saying "just do this" doesn't make it viable solution. Your first post doesnt bring up a single viable option, just ideals.

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ScazarMeltex
10/30/21 11:58:32 AM
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I get it, I do. The issue is that without black voters voting for dems the alternative at this point is fascism. Anti-Trump republicans are dropping out of the party, their propaganda network (Fox) is openly pushing Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories (great replacement), and now running specials calling the GOP's attempted coup a false flag.

So if black people as a community want to choose to not vote for the party (and I respect that, you aren't required to vote for anyone) that is at least weakly opposing the GOP, then I hope they are preparing for what comes after the GOP takes power.

Realistically I hope everyone is, but ethnic and religious minorities and the LGBTQ community are going to be the chief targets of these fascists. Community organization, defense, and mutual aid programs are going to be very important for their survival in the future and I don't that they are quite ready yet.

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UnholyMudcrab
10/30/21 11:58:42 AM
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This guy has gone from incomprehensible posts about movies to incomprehensible right-wing shitposting. What a character arc.
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Unknown5uspect
10/30/21 11:59:19 AM
#134:


NatsuSama posted...
Which again isn't a viable solution to stopping a party (Republicans) who are deliberately trying harm black people with things such as making it harder for black people to vote.

Simply saying "just do this" doesn't make it viable solution.
We are never going to get anything resembling "viable" from someone like that.

I mean damn his synapses are so fucked he couldn't even comprehend idfk, running for office himself. Joining the Dems party and trying to shift it, like AOC and them.

Nope. Just "maybe we shouldn't vote dem and let the GOP put us back in chains."

He's just full of shit.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:02:08 PM
#135:


Unknown5uspect posted...
We are never going to get anything resembling "viable" from someone like that.

I mean damn his synapses are so fucked he couldn't even comprehend idfk, running for office himself. Joining the Dems party and trying to shift it, like AOC and them.

Nope. Just "maybe we shouldn't vote dem and let the GOP put us back in chains."

He's just full of shit.
Aha!

you said it. Youre afraid theyre gonna put you back in chains? Seek help.

unholymudcrabs message isnt really worth responding to. Character arc? Seek help
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asdf8562
10/30/21 12:03:49 PM
#136:


Xethuminra posted...
Aha!

you said it. Youre afraid theyre gonna put you back in chains? Seek help.

unholymudcrabs message isnt really worth responding to. Character arc? Seek help
Totally serious poster this one is lol.
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Unknown5uspect
10/30/21 12:05:55 PM
#137:


Xethuminra posted...
Aha!

you said it. Youre afraid theyre gonna put you back in chains? Seek help.

unholymudcrabs message isnt really worth responding to. Character arc? Seek help
No solutions from you. Just bullshit. Go somewhere.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:16:21 PM
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Im not gonna run for fucking office.
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CyricZ
10/30/21 12:16:57 PM
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Thought you said you were leaving the topic.

Why is it every time someone boldly announces how they're leaving the topic, they come right back later?

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:18:47 PM
#140:


CyricZ posted...
Thought you said you were leaving the topic.

Why is it every time someone boldly announces how they're leaving the topic, they come right back later?
I did. He said what I wanted. I came back. What didnt you understand?

Now we can deal with the internal issue. People thinking the republicans want them back in chains.
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CommonStar
10/30/21 12:19:41 PM
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It's a little funny how easy it is for people ITT to lecture about what the Black community should or shouldn't do rather than push the Democratic Party to earn the Black vote.
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Unknown5uspect
10/30/21 12:25:15 PM
#142:


Xethuminra posted...
Im not gonna run for fucking office.
So you don't even give a fuck about actually solving the problem. Good to know.

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bloodyarts
10/30/21 12:35:31 PM
#143:


Xethuminra posted...
That aggression is a massive problem.
Mask off

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:41:41 PM
#144:


Unknown5uspect posted...
So you don't even give a fuck about actually solving the problem. Good to know.
The Republicans dont want you in chains. Theyre dishonest because they come from a dishonest world and they pander to a violent crowd. Surely you can appreciate the situation. You are willing to cut corners? So are they.

Someone has to be the bigger person. And no matter who gets elected, again, its probably not gonna change the way people around you act. Donald Trump didnt exactly have any tangible effect on my life whatsoever. Neither do his supporters.

Again, the president is a figurehead. Hes only as good as his cabinet. if youre gonna do basically nothing & let 5 Star Generals handle the action, please dont do it while insulting all of humanity. Guys like Trump make all of us look bad. When we look bad, we get treated bad. Trump pisses off another country? They take it out on us. He was shortsighted and selfish. Dont be like him.

bloodyarts posted...
Mask off
Paranoia
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ScazarMeltex
10/30/21 12:48:30 PM
#145:


Xethuminra posted...
The Republicans dont want you in chains. Theyre dishonest because they come from
a dishonest world and they pander to a violent crowd. Surely you can appreciate the situation. You are willing to cut corners? So are they.

Someone has to be the bigger person. And no matter who gets elected, again, its probably not gonna change the way people around you act. Donald Trump didnt exactly have any tangible effect on my life whatsoever. Neither do his supporters.

Again, the president is a figurehead. Hes only as good as his cabinet. if youre gonna do basically nothing & let 5 Star Generals handle the action, please dont do it while insulting all of humanity. Guys like Trump make all of us look bad. When we look bad, we get treated bad. Trump pisses off another country? They take it out on his. He was shortsighted and selfish. Dont be like him.
Turning the other cheek gets your other cheek smashed as well. Turning the other cheek is what has allowed things to reach the point where we are at now.
As to Trump or his supporters not having a tangible effect on your life, his mismanagement and politicization of the pandemic and the body count that has come with it would tend to argue to against that point. Alongside the uptick in rightwing violence against ethnic minorities, religious minorities, and LGBTQ people. Your own personal anecdotal experiences are irrelevant in the face of the larger picture of the reality in which everyone lives.

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Returning_CEmen
10/30/21 12:49:47 PM
#146:


Vote Republican and see how well that works out for you. Theyll just snake all funding to communities and line their pockets with defense projects

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:50:22 PM
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I kinda skirted around the uptick point. The pandemic? I wont give Donald credit for shit. Thats just stupid Americans being stupid. Took forever to get people to comprehend the mask.

good post

I was being a bit anecdotal. The president also created a lot of problems for the other branches of government. In this case, he was a lot more than a figurehead actually. And that was part of the problem. Irony. Of the worst caliber.
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asdf8562
10/30/21 12:58:18 PM
#148:


Xethuminra desperately trying to convince everyone to not vote so Republicans can win lol.
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ScazarMeltex
10/30/21 12:59:16 PM
#149:


Xethuminra posted...
I kinda skirted around the uptick point. The pandemic? I wont give Donald credit for shit. Thats just stupid Americans being stupid. Took forever to get people to comprehend the mask.

It's not though. I've long argued that Trump isn't the problem, he's a symptom of the end result of several things. As it relates to the pandemic it's the GOP's embracing of anti-science, anti-expertise, and anti-intellectual positions on everything. As it relates to their positions on minorities and LGBTQ people it's a combination of Nixon's southern strategy, the social policies created and advocated for by Phyllis Schlafly (which were then popularized by Falwell's moral majority, which originally began as a pro-segregation lobby until they realized that was a losing position), and Reagan's "Giving rich people more money will make everyone wealthier" tax policies.

Trump and the world in which we live was the only logical conclusion of that and people who study that kind of shit have been telling us for decades that this is where we would end up.

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Xethuminra
10/30/21 12:59:18 PM
#150:


asdf8562 posted...
Xethuminra desperately trying to convince everyone to not vote so Republicans can win lol.
Who are you talking to?
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Xethuminra
10/30/21 1:03:11 PM
#151:


ScazarMeltex posted...
It's not though. I've long argued that Trump isn't the problem, he's a symptom of the end result of several things. As it relates to the pandemic it's the GOP's embracing of anti-science, anti-expertise, and anti-intellectual positions on everything. As it relates to their positions on minorities and LGBTQ people it's a combination of Nixon's southern strategy, the social policies created and advocated for by Phyllis Schlafly (which were then popularized by Falwell's moral majority, which originally began as a pro-segregation lobby until they realized that was a losing position), and Reagan's "Giving rich people more money will make everyone wealthier" tax policies.

Trump and the world in which we live was the only logical conclusion of that and people who study that kind of shit have been telling us for decades that this is where we would end up.
Yeah but youre concocting this elaborate mechanism that doesnt exist in the way youre using it. The CDC and everyone involved botched the pandemic. We do that sometimes. Katrina?

Yeah the GOP has become a joke but the Democrats are a joke too. Both are dangerous. This is that generation, man. They got older. Racist white guys are just as bad as racist black guys. When we can admit theres a race problem on both sides, then there will be progress. If anything was really gonna happen it was gonna happen when Obama was president. This is what we got. It will not change over night. Progress is patience.
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