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I mean, if you're trying to show off Jean's healing there, that's pretty tiny. Kokomi can constantly heal 6100 every 2 sec and then 1200 almost twice a second.
At the same time she also deals very consistent damage over 7000 each hit, causes hydro reactions (can be x2 on pyro enemies, or rapid electrocharging, or freeze).

That Xiangling would be vaporizing her burst hits.
That Raiden would be causing electrocharged.
Zhongli would be improving the team's damage with res shred regardless, unlike anemo at least hydro can crystallize.

Kokomi Taser makes the corrode effect effectively non-existent, be it Abyss corrode, be it rifthounds. It even goes as far as ignoring any damage bosses do.

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Dude she's terrible.

Jean / Childe / Fischl would do 10x the damage with no less healing.



She's literally in the same tier as Xinyan as a support and as a Sub DPS

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wouldnt bother arguing with this guy

linked a decent reddit post that highlighted her faults and he completely dismissed it entirely, probably didnt even read any of it, so at that point I was just like "nah, aint worth it"

Qiqi has a better designed kit than Kokomi. She can do all her healing shit off field and scales with attack which is the easiest to build. Her skills are sticky to the enemies / party and never need to be moved. You also never need to worry about timing in any instance.

Like, literally Qiqi.

It's also likely that you'll eventually pull constellations for her and those aren't bad. At C6 she gets a group resurrect though if you need to use it you're probably doing something wrong.

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Tier lists ignoring a character's strengths (in both soloand team) isn't a new concept.
We've been there with Bennett, Xingqiu, Noelle and we've seen they're not to be trusted when it comes to judging whether a character is good.

DarkRoast posted...

Jean / Childe / Fischl would do 10x the damage with no less healing.

Throwing Jean away for the sake of actually useful anemo like Venti/Sucrose/Kazuha would work wonders.
Tartaglia is inferior to low investment Kokomi at low - average investment, closes in on her at good investment. He'd struggle to even get 2x damage in without high investment. Yet Kokomi Taser is immortal, so any downtimes Tartaglia would have she'd just completely shrug off.

Drrobotniks posted...

wouldnt bother arguing with this guy

You can't even read so don't bother even voicing your thought.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Qiqi has a better designed kit than Kokomi. She can do all her healing shit off field and scales with attack which is the easiest to build. Her skills are sticky to the enemies / party and never need to be moved. You also never need to worry about timing in any instance.

Kokomi can do her healing shit off-field at less effort and FAR more group utility.
She scales on HP that is easier to build than ATK and has far better multipliers than Qiqi.
Her skills affect an area around her and lock enemies into the area.

Sorry, but as much as I love Qiqi, trying to claim Qiqi brings any more benefit to the team than Kokomi is instantly moving you into bullshit territory.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's also likely that you'll eventually pull constellations for her and those aren't bad. At C6 she gets a group resurrect though if you need to use it you're probably doing something wrong.

Qiqi constellations are literally considered to be amongst the worst in the whole game, right down there with Keqing.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Qiqi has a better designed kit than Kokomi. She can do all her healing shit off field and scales with attack which is the easiest to build. Her skills are sticky to the enemies / party and never need to be moved. You also never need to worry about timing in any instance.

Like, literally Qiqi.

It's also likely that you'll eventually pull constellations for her and those aren't bad. At C6 she gets a group resurrect though if you need to use it you're probably doing something wrong.

What baffles me the most about Kokomi is that her healing is so limited in terms of location (jellyfish that can't be moved) or by her burst uptime. Qiqi, Jean and Noelle can literally heal the entire party simply by attacking. And their Ults only make their heals stronger.

Kokomi only heals during her Ult and only when she's on field. It's so crazy to make a 5-star dedicated healer more limited than literal Barbara.

And what's even crazier is that her constellations are built around improving her Ult DPS, but she does fucking nothing. My Mona, who actually has lower talent levels, does like 10x as much damage in the same amount of time and I don't even have her built for damage.

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DarkRoast posted...

What baffles me the most about Kokomi is that her healing is so limited in terms of location

She is actually the one who benefits from it.
She can literally do Diona's burst on her skill. Everyone else has very slow skill heals, Kokomi's are stronger, more frequent, have better utility.
You pretty much never need constant healing, you just need a swift refreshment and you go back into combat. Kokomi immediately heals and then frequently continues it as you stay nearby.

And then her burst is designed for synergy with subdpses. Put her into taser and she completely trivializes any enemy in the game that isn't immune to electro.
If she is bad, why can her team make Spiral Abyss braindead easy in her own half? Even more so than Tartaglia, who at least has to dodge and manage cooldowns.

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If she is bad, why can her team make Spiral Abyss braindead easy in her own half?

You can get nine stars on Abyss 12 using nothing but Bennett and Xingqiu on one side, Barbara and Xiangling on the other.


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By the way

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pwqfvg/the_real_problems_with_kokomi_an_indepth_review/

Here's the post I mentioned about Kokomi, thought it was pretty knowledgeable and went in deprth with a lot of details

The explanation is literally useless now.
We know Kokomi is going to be dealing a lot more damage and will work as a sub-dps together with hydro apply.

Not to say it also is a very flawed explanation, ignoring facts like Mona being impossible to get for sure (and yet performs similarily), that Kokomi Taser does not actually have energy recharge issues coz 2x electro and big synergy with Raiden, and that Kokomi Taser facetanks hard, it's basically easy mode for Abyss.

But hey, in the end Genshin is 100% about whether you like the character or not. As I've proven, you can just go with characters you like and still beat Abyss.

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She's not great

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I just want to stop and point out that there's less than a 1% chance of this occurring




Any advice for my Main DPS C6 Mona? She's literally the only other high-constellation 5-Star I have, so I figured I was obligated to build her.

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DarkRoast posted...

Any advice for my Main DPS C6 Mona?

4pc wanderer troupe. Use with Xiangling and (Thoma or Bennett). Wine & Song 4* or Skyward Atlas 5*


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https://youtu.be/-e0JBpfc-W0

I'll build a Wanderer's Troupe set, but for now this is what she does with Tartaglia's HoD set

Mona + Bennett = the Better Kokomi

Her E ticks for 11,000 lol

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Or you could just use Kokomi Millelith+Tales for both their powers on 1 character and then use them in the second team.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Or you could just use Kokomi Millelith+Tales for both at the same time and then use them in the second team.

Or I could use a good character

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DarkRoast posted...

Or I could use a good character

Kokomi?
Yeah, you have a fantastic one here.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Kokomi?
Yeah, you have a fantastic one here.

Dude my Mona's charged attacks are hitting for 67k.

Kokomi might do 67k damage over the course of her entire Ult.




These aren't even during her Ult, which goes well above 100k

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Well yeah, you're using resonance, 5* constellations, Vaporize, Kazuha and the most overpowered buffer in the game to do this.
Imagine Kokomi getting a big Healing Power or HP buffer on the level of Bennett, she has far better stat scaling, to the point where Mihoyo had to lock her ability to crit so that they don't lose the option of creating HP/Healing buffing characters ever again.

Damage per screenshot does not impress anyone.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Well yeah, you're using resonance, 5* constellations, Vaporize, Kazuha and the most overpowered buffer in the game to do this.
Imagine Kokomi getting a big Healing Power or HP buffer on the level of Bennett, she has far better stat scaling, to the point where Mihoyo had to lock her ability to crit so that they don't lose the option of creating HP/Healing buffing characters ever again.

Damage per screenshot does not impress anyone.

Damage per Kokomi doesn't impress anyone either.

The fact that Mona has two different ways to CC (taunt and stunlock) helps a ton with setup

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DarkRoast posted...

Damage per Kokomi doesn't impress anyone either.

It's not supposed to coz she greatly improves her team and has the unique immortal taser setup that trivializes everything.

Mona's "stunlock" (or to be correct, just a single stun) doesn't even matter at all, coz Kokomi has access to freeze and/or gravity pulls anyway in every optimal team. Taunts in Genshin are legit garbage

With the upcoming Chorus set and a boss who spawns adds and applies corrode, with new dendro enemies coming up, it's pretty obvious Mihoyo isn't messing around at pushing people towards using healers.

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"It's not supposed to coz she greatly improves her team and has the unique immortal taser setup that trivializes everything."

I prefer the "kill everything immediately taser setup"

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DarkRoast posted...

I prefer the "kill everything immediately taser setup"

Yep, that's how Kokomi's taser group works.

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Irony posted...

She's not great

No shes not
But you have people desperately trying to say otherwise

it's the other way around.
She's great, but we have people obnoxiously trying to make her seem bad due to their lack of knowledge about her.
Like the parrot above me.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

it's the other way around.
She's great, but we have people obnoxiously trying to make her seem bad due to their lack of knowledge about her.
Like the parrot above me.

If Kokomi was a 4* hardly anybody would care, but the fact that shes a 5* rubs people the wrong way. Shes obviously not worth that kind of investment which led to her banner sales tanking harder than Keqing.

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ProudlyHated87 posted...

which led to her banner sales tanking harder than Keqing

-general hate for healers (shield meta > healer; only dmg matters mindset)
-it was right after the best-selling banner ever, which is also the highest constellation per player average banner and two waifus in a row overlap
-from Yoimiya on, there was constantly worsening negativity, which exploded because of bad anniversary rewards exactly on Kokomi's banner
-Kokomi doesn't have big pp damage numbers, instead she improves the whole team and has very stable good low investment damage
-Story was extremely rushed and didn't do her justice, basically skipping Kokomi's involvement in it
-Her 5* banner weapon is extremely specific, only she can use it and she benefits minimally from it over Thrilling Tales / Hakushin / Proto Amber

Like, if Kokomi's banner was placed instead of Ayaka's, together with Divine Chorus artifacts and if Moonglow wasn't bad? She'd have sold a lot more.

Mihoyo was stupid and this is the result. But Kokomi's kit is definitely good and very useful.

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Rifthounds were so crazy Mihyo reduced em in F12-3.

Sadly Triple Maguu Kenki still there

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Kokomi fighting a triple Magu Kenki is like watching a sloth painting a stadium in winter

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DarkRoast posted...

Kokomi fighting a triple Magu Kenki is like watching a sloth painting a stadium in winter

Actually Kokomi will likely have an easier time with it than most others coz Maguu can't harm her much while she deals consistent good damage to it.

I'm thinking Mihoyo will probably design the Triple Maguu fight with low hp, but hard to dodge everything, at which point Kokomi Taser would turn the fight into a joke.

Morgana builds are absolutely screwed tho

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Actually Kokomi will likely have an easier time with it than most others coz Maguu can't harm her much while she deals consistent good damage to it.

I'm thinking Mihoyo will probably design the Triple Maguu fight with low hp, but hard to dodge everything, at which point Kokomi Taser would turn the fight into a joke.

Morgana builds are absolutely screwed tho

The 3x Maguu variant has an AOE debuff that decreases healing by 75% and increases cooldowns by 50% every time you swap characters.

We actually fought it before in one of the summer events.

So...

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Pulled Polar Star in like 30ish pulls. Prior to that I had gotten a Skyward Atlas for me to put on Ningguang.

I guess I should get my Childe to 80/90 and build those talents.

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DarkRoast posted...

The 3x Maguu variant has an AOE debuff that decreases healing by 75% and increases cooldowns by 50% every time you swap characters. It also stacks every time you swap - so if you switch to Raiden and then switch back, you get +100% CD.

And the event cubes significantly reduced your crit rate and crit damage.

We fight the Triple Maguu Kenki without event handicaps, of course.

DarkRoast posted...

So... Yeah that 20s CD on the Jellyfish and 18s on her Ult is gonna be great. If you like Tartaglia when his E auto-expires.

Raiden and Sucrose can take over the tasing when necessary and Kokomi tases even without burst anyways, unlike Tartaglia. She also has better cooldown than him.

Not like it matter, we fight the Abyss version of it without cooldown increase.


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"Kokomi is great when you have an entire team supporting her"

Oh yes, just what I want, a support for my support.

And I'm not sure why you seem to think Kokomi has "stronger" heals than Jean. My Jean without any healing bonuses presses Q and restores the entire team of Lv 90s to 100% every 20s. If you can heal the entire party to 100%, anything more than that is completely wasted.

Kokomi's kit is such a hassle if you're using her as a pure healer support.

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DarkRoast posted...

"Kokomi is great when you have an entire team supporting her"

And the same applies very much to Tartaglia, just saying.

DarkRoast posted...

And I'm not sure why you seem to think Kokomi has "stronger" heals than Jean

Experience from coop and also based on the video you showed.

DarkRoast posted...

My Jean without any healing bonuses presses Q and restores the entire team of Lv 90s to 100% every 20s.

With Kokomi your team effectively doesn't lose hp and is just constantly kept at 100%, because she always has strong healing up
Yes, that includes Kokomi pretty much making corrode non-existent.

DarkRoast posted...

Kokomi's kit is such a hassle if you're using her as a pure healer support.

It's one of the most comfortable Spiral Abyss clears and it even doesn't punish your rotation mistakes.

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And the same applies very much to Tartaglia, just saying.

Yeah except Tartaglia does like 50x more damage

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DarkRoast posted...

And the same applies very much to Tartaglia, just saying.

Yeah except Tartaglia does like 50x more damage

At very high investment

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

At very high investment

https://youtu.be/DVwrjUyPL80

Lv 80 with 6/6/6 talents, terrible gear, Lv 80 R1 Rust and C0

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He's literally dealing less damage than Kokomi there.
Just saying.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

He's literally dealing less damage than Kokomi there.
Just saying.

Low investment Childe isn't about the damage he does, but how fast he applies Hydro

Or course at high investment...

https://youtu.be/-zrNYDmvgzg


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DarkRoast posted...

Low investment Childe isn't about the damage he does, but how fast he applies Hydro

In 1vs1? Kokomi deals far better damage and applies hydro fast too.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

In 1vs1? Kokomi deals far better damage and applies hydro fast too.

I spent over half a year with C0 Lv Childe and he made Kokomi look like Barbara

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Well yeah, we've already see you display that you don't know how to use Kokomi.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Well yeah, we've already see you display that you don't know how to use Kokomi.

Nobody knows how to use Kokomi because she's terrible.

She isn't even good at the one thing she was designed to do.

As a hydro caster, she is completely outclassed by Mona in both DPS and Sub DPS roles.

As a healer, she's clunky and limited.


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Well my Kokomi is built and I will say she is good.

Not terrible, not amazing, just good.

She is like Chongyun in that she has specific situations where she excels.

Both of y'all need to chill with the hyperbole lol
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Blue_Thunder posted...

Well my Kokomi is built and I will say she is good.

Not terrible, not great, just good.

She is like Chongyun in that she has specific situations where she excels.

Both of y'all need to chill with the hyperbole lol

But see that's the problem, people don't hoard their gems for Chongyuns.

If people saved their gems for Ayaka, and Ayaka turned out to be a Chongyun, they'd be pissed.

We were told Kokomi was a great healer and sub DPS. Instead she's a clunky "selfish healer" and a very sub par Sub DPS.

It's like rolling on a Ganyu banner, except Ganyu is Cryo Amber.

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DarkRoast posted...

We were told Kokomi was a great healer and sub DPS. Instead she's a clunky "selfish healer" and a very sub par Sub DPS.

That's why we are getting a set for her.
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Barbara is one of the most used characters in the game. Admittedly she is free, but she helps most teams run safe compositions, isn't limited so many people have constellations for her, and ask of this is in spite of the fact that she's got shit for DPS.

Kokomi essentially looks like Mihoyo looked at their statistics and said "wow this Barbara is really popular used in like over 70% of domains. Let's make a better Barbara." And then added a new life drain gimmick into the game to encourage pulling.

Thing is there's no need for a better Barbara. Barbara is good enough to serve the healing role that she needs.

Anyway Gorou is coming soon, another healer, and he's going to have the kit Kokomi should have had. Gorou is stupidly strong.

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You guys are still arguing over this?

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Blue_Thunder posted...

That's why we are getting a set for her.

She could have the best set in the game, but it doesn't change the fact that the fundamental design of her kit is terrible.

If they made gear specifically for Xinyan, she would still be mediocre at very best because her kit mathematics are so bad.

Same goes with kokomi. Unless they literally change the mechanics of her jellyfish and the scaling she has with HP, she's going to be mediocre at literally everything she does.

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