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EmetSelch 10/08/21 11:35:38 AM #52:	I just think it's creepy how obsessed with babies people get. Like, these pro-lifers have nothing but babies on the brain. They just go on about babies like a broken record. <cite>EmetSelch posted [p:958829778] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>I just think it's creepy how obsessed with babies people get. Like, these pro-lifers have nothing but babies on the brain. They just go on about babies like a broken record. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/08/21 11:36:26 AM #53:	Sackgurl posted... or pain sensitivity Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:958829795] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>or pain sensitivity</quote>Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 11:38:27 AM #54:	Verdekal posted... Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body. And this proves they should be forced to term to unfit mothers or thrown into foster care? My mom allowed me to be born. It was her choice because it's her body. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958829835] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body.</quote>And this proves they should be forced to term to unfit mothers or thrown into foster care? My mom allowed me to be born. It was her choice because it's her body. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 10/08/21 11:39:14 AM #55:	Verdekal posted... Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body. yes https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/rcogfetalawarenesswpr0610.pdf The neural regions and pathways that are responsible for pain experience remain under debate but it is generally accepted that pain from physical trauma requires an intact pathway from the periphery, through the spinal cord, into the thalamus and on to regions of the cerebral cortex including the primary sensory cortex (S1), the insular cortex and the anterior cingulated cortex. Fetal pain is not possible before these necessary neural pathways and structures have developed the above is not achieved until the third trimester at the earliest. scientific consensus is that pain recognition is possible at 26 weeks. it matters because the first rule of medicine is do no harm a brain that cannot feel pain is one that was not subjected to suffering --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:958829858] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>Are you sure? And why would that matter? It has a brain, a heartbeat and would develop to term unless destroyed. It might not yet be a person but it's alive and its own distinct developing body.</quote> yes https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/rcogfetalawarenesswpr0610.pdf <quote>The neural regions and pathways that are responsible for pain experience remain under debate but it is generally accepted that pain from physical trauma requires an intact pathway from the periphery, through the spinal cord, into the thalamus and on to regions of the cerebral cortex including the primary sensory cortex (S1), the insular cortex and the anterior cingulated cortex. Fetal pain is not possible before these necessary neural pathways and structures have developed </quote> the above is not achieved until the third trimester at the earliest. scientific consensus is that pain recognition is possible at 26 weeks. it matters because the first rule of medicine is do no harm a brain that cannot feel pain is one that was not subjected to suffering </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/08/21 11:41:28 AM #56:	_HayleyWilliams posted... And this proves they should be forced to term to unfit mothers or thrown into foster care? My mom allowed me to be born. It was her choice because it's her body. No and it sucks that happens but it's better than termination. A fetus is its own body. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:958829914] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>And this proves they should be forced to term to unfit mothers or thrown into foster care? My mom allowed me to be born. It was her choice because it's her body.</quote>No and it sucks that happens but it's better than termination. A fetus is its own body. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 10/08/21 11:44:13 AM #57:	also before you try to pretend there's a gotcha in the fact that fetuses over 26 weeks may be able to perceive pain: https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/ Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon, and represent 1% of all abortions in the US. when we talk about abortion, 99% of the time we are talking about fetuses that cannot perceive pain --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:958829989] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>also before you try to pretend there's a gotcha in the fact that fetuses over 26 weeks may be able to perceive pain: https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/ <quote>Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon, and represent 1% of all abortions in the US.</quote> when we talk about abortion, 99% of the time we are talking about fetuses that cannot perceive pain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/08/21 11:44:16 AM #58:	Sackgurl posted... yes https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/rcogfetalawarenesswpr0610.pdf the above is not achieved until the third trimester at the earliest it matters because the first rule of medicine is do no harm a brain that cannot feel pain is one that was not subjected to suffering Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either. But so what? It's alive and will become a person unless destroyed. I said I leaned pro life. If the child's qualitiy of life would be so poor or its life and/or the mother's life are in danger, then I could understand but not socioeconomic difficulties. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:958829992] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>yes https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/rcogfetalawarenesswpr0610.pdf the above is not achieved until the third trimester at the earliest it matters because the first rule of medicine is do no harm a brain that cannot feel pain is one that was not subjected to suffering</quote>Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either. But so what? It's alive and will become a person unless destroyed. I said I leaned pro life. If the child's qualitiy of life would be so poor or its life and/or the mother's life are in danger, then I could understand but not socioeconomic difficulties. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 10/08/21 11:45:11 AM #59:	Verdekal posted... Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either. by who, the village idiot? i'm showing you the current scientific consensus by people whose lives were dedicated to researching this subject dozens of papers reached this same conclusion, all written by experts in the field this isn't a "maybe, but that contradicts assumptions I had so I refuse to accept it because someone was wrong before and i won't specify who" kind of situation if you thought fetuses could feel pain and suffered during abortions, you were wrong. --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:958830015] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either.</quote> by who, the village idiot? i'm showing you the current scientific consensus by people whose lives were dedicated to researching this subject dozens of papers reached this same conclusion, all written by experts in the field this isn't a "maybe, but that contradicts assumptions I had so I refuse to accept it because someone was wrong before and i won't specify who" kind of situation if you thought fetuses could feel pain and suffered during abortions, you were wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrainerNeo_02 10/08/21 11:46:19 AM #60:	Prestoff posted... I don't dislike Pro-Life people, just disagree with them. The ones I empathize the most with are the ones who view conception as life, but also agree that we should have programs designed to help women take care of the "unwated pregnancies" monetary wise. The ones I can't stand are the ones who want to be anti-abortion to punish women, or like they call it "taking responsibility". This. --- Hush, I'm trying to tell the truth, my truth. They all exist in holes in reality. Let's take a peek through, and find only one of the truths. <cite>TrainerNeo_02 posted [p:958830053] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Prestoff posted... </cite> <quote>I don't dislike Pro-Life people, just disagree with them. The ones I empathize the most with are the ones who view conception as life, but also agree that we should have programs designed to help women take care of the "unwated pregnancies" monetary wise. The ones I can't stand are the ones who want to be anti-abortion to punish women, or like they call it "taking responsibility".</quote>This. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 11:47:08 AM #61:	Verdekal posted... No and it sucks that happens but it's better than termination. A fetus is its own body. Not better for the mother, or for society, or even necessarily the fetus. "Better to have a shitty upbringing than to never gain sentience in the first place." Bodily autonomy is absolute. It doesn't matter if there is a body inside your body. It is there because you allow it and no one else. It's a tenant. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958830074] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>No and it sucks that happens but it's better than termination. A fetus is its own body.</quote>Not better for the mother, or for society, or even necessarily the fetus. "Better to have a shitty upbringing than to never gain sentience in the first place." Bodily autonomy is absolute. It doesn't matter if there is a body inside your body. It is there because you allow it and no one else. It's a tenant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 10/08/21 11:47:08 AM #62:	its none of their fucking business if a woman wants to get an abortion. as Rodney Dangerfield would put it, they get no respect, no respect at all! from me that is. lol <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:958830075] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>its none of their fucking business if a woman wants to get an abortion. as Rodney Dangerfield would put it, they get no respect, no respect at all! from me that is. lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nasty_Nitro 10/08/21 11:47:55 AM #63:	Yep I dont like those people if I didnt get an abortion my life woulda been fucked at age 24 i thank that woman for getting the procedure done saved both of us. Anti abortion people are fucking stupid --- OG status Triple OG Status Jaguars, Miami Heat, ROH, NJPW, AEW supporter <cite>Nasty_Nitro posted [p:958830103] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Yep I dont like those people if I didnt get an abortion my life woulda been fucked at age 24 i thank that woman for getting the procedure done saved both of us. Anti abortion people are fucking stupid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 11:50:56 AM #64:	Verdekal posted... Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either. But so what? It's alive and will become a person unless destroyed. I said I leaned pro life. If the child's qualitiy of life would be so poor or its life and/or the mother's life are in danger, then I could understand but not socioeconomic difficulties. Most pro-lifers are just calling it murder and want it banned and all the murderers arrested. Those are the people that can't be negotiated with. You having nuance is pretty much irrelevant. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958830184] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe. It was thought that newborn infants didn't feel pain for a while either. But so what? It's alive and will become a person unless destroyed. I said I leaned pro life. If the child's qualitiy of life would be so poor or its life and/or the mother's life are in danger, then I could understand but not socioeconomic difficulties.</quote>Most pro-lifers are just calling it murder and want it banned and all the murderers arrested. Those are the people that can't be negotiated with. You having nuance is pretty much irrelevant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 10/08/21 11:57:09 AM #65:	Sackgurl posted... by who, the village idiot? Maybe by a lot of people? I think I heard this before. But, if Im people did believe that it was a long time ago, when technology was primitive, and people believed a lot of things that would sound ridiculous today. So, to bring it up as some kind of argument would be like saying people once believed in something called humors as a way to repudiate germ theory. --- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:958830360] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Sackgurl posted... </cite> <quote>by who, the village idiot?</quote>Maybe by a lot of people? I think I heard this before. But, if Im people did believe that it was a long time ago, when technology was primitive, and people believed a lot of things that would sound ridiculous today. So, to bring it up as some kind of argument would be like saying people once believed in something called humors as a way to repudiate germ theory. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/08/21 12:03:29 PM #66:	@Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:958830538] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>@Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 10/08/21 12:50:56 PM #67:	Verdekal posted... @Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that. A fetus is only its own life when it can support itself without being in the womb. Any time before that it is still apart of the woman's life. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:958831853] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>@Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that.</quote>A fetus is only its own life when it can support itself without being in the womb. Any time before that it is still apart of the woman's life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Materia 10/08/21 1:08:40 PM #68:	No, I am fond of them. I personally dislike pro abortion people. --- ... <cite>Master_Materia posted [p:958832328] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>No, I am fond of them. I personally dislike pro abortion people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 10/08/21 1:16:20 PM #69:	Verdekal posted... @Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that. And a woman is her own body, and no body has a right to develop inside of it without her continued consent. We should not be in the business of forcing more people into existence against the will of the person carrying the fetus. A child should not be used to teach people that they fucked up having sex. That's just pushing a burden on society and hurting everyone involved. Abortion is responsible. If a drunk driver tries to pull over because they realize they are fucking up, you don't put a brick under the brake pedal to force them to see their mistake through. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:958832536] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite> <quote>@Sackgurl @_HayleyWilliams For early fetal pain, there could be a new study that contradicts current findings. If they say they don't, they probably don't but the nasty thing is that if it's found to be incorrect, the repercussions are quite terrible. More importantly, it doesn't matter. It's destroyed life. A fetus is its own body. There's no digging deeper than that.</quote>And a woman is her own body, and no body has a right to develop inside of it without her continued consent. We should not be in the business of forcing more people into existence against the will of the person carrying the fetus. A child should not be used to teach people that they fucked up having sex. That's just pushing a burden on society and hurting everyone involved. Abortion is responsible. If a drunk driver tries to pull over because they realize they are fucking up, you don't put a brick under the brake pedal to force them to see their mistake through. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mearcstapa 10/08/21 1:20:18 PM #70:	the Pro-life types usually come packaged with a whole set of anti-science and pro-authoritarian beliefs, so yes I tend to dislike them. --- after years of waiting nothing came <cite>Mearcstapa posted [p:958832640] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>the Pro-life types usually come packaged with a whole set of anti-science and pro-authoritarian beliefs, so yes I tend to dislike them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoulLand 10/08/21 1:31:07 PM #71:	Not really. But tbh, I'm not interested in kids. --- <cite>SoulLand posted [p:958832939] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>Not really. But tbh, I'm not interested in kids. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 10/09/21 3:08:17 AM #72:	IfGodCouldDie posted... A fetus is only its own life when it can support itself without being in the womb. Any time before that it is still apart of the woman's life. The fetus is it's own life. I disagree. _HayleyWilliams posted... And a woman is her own body, and no body has a right to develop inside of it without her continued consent. We should not be in the business of forcing more people into existence against the will of the person carrying the fetus. A child should not be used to teach people that they fucked up having sex. That's just pushing a burden on society and hurting everyone involved. Abortion is responsible. If a drunk driver tries to pull over because they realize they are fucking up, you don't put a brick under the brake pedal to force them to see their mistake through. It's never worth it. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:958854159] in Do you per... [t:79693712]...</cite> <quote>IfGodCouldDie posted... </cite> <quote>A fetus is only its own life when it can support itself without being in the womb. Any time before that it is still apart of the woman's life.</quote>The fetus is it's own life. I disagree. _HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>And a woman is her own body, and no body has a right to develop inside of it without her continued consent. We should not be in the business of forcing more people into existence against the will of the person carrying the fetus. A child should not be used to teach people that they fucked up having sex. That's just pushing a burden on society and hurting everyone involved. Abortion is responsible. If a drunk driver tries to pull over because they realize they are fucking up, you don't put a brick under the brake pedal to force them to see their mistake through.</quote>It's never worth it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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