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coolcono
09/23/21 11:47:25 AM
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they are non-tackers and by tacking I mean when the show incorporates it later to appease the audience. I am looking at you Celeste.

I was watching the Hakatu Tonsu Ramens and that is a LGBTQ character done right. You like the character and you know right off the bat she is trans.


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Error1355
09/23/21 11:49:33 AM
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I've been perfectly fine not being bothered by a fictional character's sexuality, race, or gender at any point in my life.

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smoke_break
09/23/21 11:55:56 AM
#3:


coolcono posted...
I was watching the Hakatu Tonsu Ramens and that is a LGBTQ character done right. You like the character and you know right off the bat she is trans.
Are you talking about Lin? The show only said they were a crossdresser from what I remember.

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CyricZ
09/23/21 12:00:01 PM
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For myself, I will only permit heterosexual characters in the shows I watch if it makes sense for the show to have them.

Like stop shoving your heterosexuality down my throat.

smoke_break posted...
Are you talking about Lin? The show only said they were a crossdresser from what I remember.
Yeah, Lin IDs as male.

To put it frankly, Japan on the regular is weird with its fuzzy conflation of gender identity and personal expression.

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LordMarshal
09/23/21 12:05:00 PM
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Whenever theres a straight character its generally portrayed as normal.

They should do that with any orientation. If you make them "special" it comes off as "not normal" which could hurt your message.

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apolloooo
09/23/21 12:06:48 PM
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Zombieland saga is great trans representation.

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Wetterdew
09/23/21 12:08:01 PM
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I don't mind straight characters but only if they alert me to their straightness immediately so I'm not alarmed and triggered when I eventually learn that they're straight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nm5jl7aM08

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TheGoldenEel
09/23/21 12:08:27 PM
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I don't mind LGBTQ characters, but

shut the fuck up tc

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CyricZ
09/23/21 12:13:37 PM
#10:


LordMarshal posted...
Whenever theres a straight character its generally portrayed as normal.
More correctly, when a straight character has weird character traits, it's not attributed to their sexuality, where any weird character traits on a gay character are attributed to their sexuality.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 12:13:40 PM
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You're one the reasons some people don't want to say it immediately lol. Because you then see that as their defining characteristic. People just want to be recognized for who they are on a deeper level. They don't want everything in your mind to be like "Oh, so this is how trans people do this" everytime they're just being a regular person.

Edit: Im not even saying I never catch myself doing this, but identifying it is a step in the right direction.

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Questionmarktarius
09/23/21 12:18:47 PM
#12:


LordMarshal posted...
Whenever theres a straight character its generally portrayed as normal.
A straight character whose defining trait is "look at how straight I am!" is quite obnoxious.

See also:

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SwiggitySwoogit
09/23/21 12:27:26 PM
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Straight/gay/bi/etc are all fine except when it's done in a way that is pandering, never even hinted it, after the fact, and not at all relevant to the story.

Looking at you Dumbledore.
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Turbam
09/23/21 12:28:40 PM
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I think my favorite was in Kipo
In about the fifth episode, Kipo tells her companion that she likes him. And then he just bluntly says "I'm gay"

I always like when they don't make a big deal out of it.

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QueenCarly
09/23/21 12:29:51 PM
#17:


coolcono posted...
I am looking at you Celeste.

Shut the fuck up

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LordFarquad1312
09/23/21 12:39:17 PM
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Yeah, I find retcons to characters sexuality and gender to be the wrong way to approach things.

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CalosiaTana
09/23/21 1:05:00 PM
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Loved Mitch and Cam on modern family.


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bigblu89
09/23/21 1:08:40 PM
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Its basically writers needing to recognize the huge divide between creating a gay character and a character whos gay.

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toadfan64
09/23/21 1:11:26 PM
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Arthur handled the LGBT thing better than most I've seen.
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averagejoel
09/23/21 1:14:21 PM
#24:


QueenCarly posted...
Shut the fuck up
is the queerness present in the game at all? or is it just something that the creator said?

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Nemu
09/23/21 1:16:06 PM
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averagejoel posted...
is the queerness present in the game at all? or is it just something that the creator said?
I think there's a pride flag somewhere, but nothing overt that I remember.
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Guns_of_Verdun
09/23/21 1:28:29 PM
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Mr Hangman posted...
To my eye, there's no hint in the game that any of the characters are gay or straight or trans or not. Nor would any of that be necessary to the story. Like with JK Rowling, it was just the dev afterward saying "Oh, by the way..."
There were a ton of hints that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were a couple.

I think the people who say otherwise only saw the movies and didn't read the books.

People seem to forget why JK was asked whether or not Dumbledore was gay in the first place. It wasn't arbitary

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 1:32:39 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Its basically writers needing to recognize the huge divide between creating a gay character and a character whos gay.

What's the difference?

*Just wants to watch you walk through the minefield*

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TheGoldenEel
09/23/21 1:38:05 PM
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btw lol at people discussing Celeste as though the entire game wasnt a ham-fisted coming to terms with yourself allegory that could very easily be interpreted to be about sexuality/gender identity

her being trans isnt an oh by the way, it was the entire game, you just didnt notice it until the creator spoon fed it to you

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TheRadiant
09/23/21 1:39:15 PM
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"I don't mind LGBTQ characters except when they exist"

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bigblu89
09/23/21 1:41:57 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
What's the difference?

*Just wants to watch you walk through the minefield*
Hollywood in Mannequin vs Police Commissioner in The Flash.

In Living Color skit Men on Film vs the main police investigator in only murderers in the building.

Ones a character, the others a caricature.

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JuanCarlos1
09/23/21 1:42:59 PM
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You should like....not mind? Like at all?

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SoggyBottomBoy
09/23/21 1:55:33 PM
#35:


bigblu89 posted...
Its basically writers needing to recognize the huge divide between creating a gay character and a character whos gay.
This. Making anything a characters sole trait is just lazy and, in some cases, pandering.

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averagejoel
09/23/21 2:03:07 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
btw lol at people discussing Celeste as though the entire game wasnt a ham-fisted coming to terms with yourself allegory that could very easily be interpreted to be about sexuality/gender identity

her being trans isnt an oh by the way, it was the entire game, you just didnt notice it until the creator spoon fed it to you
that allegory can be interpreted many different ways. is there an actual reading of Celeste which centers sexuality/gender identity as the interpretation? or is it just that the creator says so?

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hockeybub89
09/23/21 2:05:10 PM
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LordMarshal posted...
Whenever theres a straight character its generally portrayed as normal.

They should do that with any orientation. If you make them "special" it comes off as "not normal" which could hurt your message.
Then we get complaints about how a character is gay despite it being meaningless to their character and that makes it pandering.

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Questionmarktarius
09/23/21 2:09:20 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
lmao at anybody dictating a piece of fiction can only be read a certain way
It's a bit more difficult if you're holding the book upside-down, though.
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Trumble
09/23/21 2:10:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
A straight character whose defining trait is "look at how straight I am!" is quite obnoxious.

See also:
In his case it was done for humor, and works, but yeah, characters in serious media that act like Quagmire are highly annoying.

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_Rinku_
09/23/21 2:12:56 PM
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Hm, and I bet you also hate it when the character's arc is about their sexuality because "they have no character except being gay" lmao. You're so transparent.

coolcono posted...
I was watching the Hakatu Tonsu Ramens and that is a LGBTQ character done right. You like the character and you know right off the bat she is trans.
He's cis, but he probably is queer and the show has a mild queer romance by the end.
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SwayM
09/23/21 2:22:48 PM
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People have hated forced romances in media since the dawn of time.

The conversation is usually about two heterosexual characters. But shoehorning in an LGBTQ character is literally the same thing.

Its called lazy writing and anyone can see how transparent it is.

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TheGoldenEel
09/23/21 2:24:54 PM
#43:


averagejoel posted...
that allegory can be interpreted many different ways. is there an actual reading of Celeste which centers sexuality/gender identity as the interpretation? or is it just that the creator says so?
Of course it can be interpreted many ways

but all works of art still have some intent from the creator, and them making that intent clear doesnt take away those alternate interpretations

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 2:29:17 PM
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Trumble posted...
In his case it was done for humor, and works, but yeah, characters in serious media that act like Quagmire are highly annoying.

Using cartoons that are turned up to 10 for comedic reasons is always a terrible argument. The over exaggeration of them is literally the comedic part. It's suppose to be excessive. Not saying every joke is a hit, but it's like using Roger to make a point about the gay communities characters. He's super gay 100 because it's funny in a fictional setting you're not suppose to take serious. Not that these shows don't have bad taste jokes, cause they definitely do. It's just that that's not the reason. In an equal world, everyone is made fun of and exaggerated. You can't pick and choose based on how personally offended you are. As long as it's not being knowingly used and played into real life hate groups.

Also, what's up with all Seth MacFarlane's shows getting into incest the further they go >_>. That's the real question lol

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 2:33:15 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Hollywood in Mannequin vs Police Commissioner in The Flash.

In Living Color skit Men on Film vs the main police investigator in only murderers in the building.

Ones a character, the others a caricature.

Oh, and as far as the response to this, I don't know a lot about the examples >_<

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Questionmarktarius
09/23/21 2:34:26 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
The over exaggeration of them is literally the comedic part.
That's the point. Flanderization is awful in anything trying to be dramatic.
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bigblu89
09/23/21 2:35:06 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
Oh, and as far as the response to this, I don't know a lot about the examples >_<

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=men+on+film+in+living+color

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 2:42:19 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
That's the point. Flanderization is awful in anything trying to be dramatic.

Ah, ok. That's probably pretty accurate.

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Lost_All_Senses
09/23/21 2:48:12 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=men+on+film+in+living+color

Ah. I was never a fan of this but also comedy just ages poorly in general. So, I never feel like I have an objective view of it. Of course it's terrible now when the world changed and people see different perspective. Not even Roger is that bad lol. I definitely am for these exaggerations going away if the gay community isn't for it. Same as I am for blackface not being ok anymore. You can't treat people like shit then be like "Oh, this is just jokes now". For me, the goal would be to get to a place where everyone is treated on such an even playing field, all this can come back and not feel visceral to the communities. But we're nowhere near that at all. Not in my lifetime

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