Current Events > Shouldn't pro-life people be supporting universal healthcare?

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Or do we stop caring about fetuses when they're born
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Now you're getting it.

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Pro-life are only pro-birth with some leaning towards pro-rape since they don't seem to care if a women gets raped as long as the child gets born to be neglected.

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Heartomaton posted...

Now you're getting it.

Wait what am I getting? Cuz I was always pro universal healthcare lol
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My dude, letting people suffer is encouraged. Just dont kill them lol.

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After the baby is born, it could be chucked in a dumpster for all pro lifers care.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Wait what am I getting? Cuz I was always pro universal healthcare lol

You're getting that people don't care about kids once they're born.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Yup. They should also support same sex adoption. And a social safety net. And sex education and free contraceptives. And anything else that will prevent abortions.

Consistency is not oft found in pro life arguments.

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Heartomaton posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Wait what am I getting? Cuz I was always pro universal healthcare lol

You're getting that people don't care about kids once they're born.

Oh no I was just being a facetious little baby brat. This entire ideology is fucking dumb.
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It's ironic that "pro-lifers" give more care and respect for life before it is formed and after it ceases to exist than while they're actually living.

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You would think so, actually, but it turns out Republicans are just fascists and all the virtue signaling is just an excuse for them to maintain their power.

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Fuck them tbh
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Pro-birth party is also pro-death.

Once you're old enough to wear shoes, you're old enough to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and tend to your own needs.

They'll say they don't think universal healthcare is efficient or helps as many people as a healthcare that's more free market based
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Pro life=I need to control women

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I do, I also support better sex education and more accessable means to prevent pregnancies and more options for those that might need help. The foster/adoption system isn't good either, but I don't have any viable suggestions to replace those. More aid in general to the impoverished and struggling and widely available cheaper healthcare for all.

I've accepted that abortions are necessary, I don't like it, but I've accepted it. I just think that it should be pushed to be a last resort instead of the first suggestion people toss out.

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KogaSteelfang posted...

I do, I also support better sex education and more accessable means to prevent pregnancies and more options for those that might need help. The foster/adoption system isn't good either, but I don't have any viable suggestions to replace those. More aid in general to the impoverished and struggling and widely available cheaper healthcare for all.

I've accepted that abortions are necessary, I don't like it, but I've accepted it. I just think that it should be pushed to be a last resort instead of the first suggestion people toss out.

I mean unless it is rape, most of the time, it isnt the first choice. Women tend to talk to their friends and family and see if they can actually find someone who is able to take of the child first. Also abortion clinics dont go out yelling buy one get one free constantly. Hell the people who do think of it as the first choice are usually the rich white people with mistresses who dont want them to have a kid.

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LightHawKnight posted...

I mean unless it is rape, most of the time, it isnt the first choice. Women tend to talk to their friends and family and see if they can actually find someone who is able to take of the child first. Also abortion clinics dont go out yelling buy one get one free constantly. Hell the people who do think of it as the first choice are usually the rich white people with mistresses who dont want them to have a kid.

True, true, I'm only speaking from my very limited social situation, which is mostly online and is where I see it vocalized as the first option.

Also, I've been insulted several times when suggesting that it's a major decision that affects many lives rather than one.

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People who say this don't understand the concept of charity. Conservative Christians give more to charity than leftists. Private charities are more effective than public wealth fare and are actually capable of helping. Wealth fare just makes people dependent government and isn't very effective at actually helping make people's lives better.

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TerraSeeker posted...

People who say this don't understand the concept of charity. Conservative Christians give more to charity than leftists. Private charities are more effective than public wealth fare and are actually capable of helping. Wealth fare just makes people dependent government and isn't very effective at actually helping make people's lives better.

Pfft charity. You mean grift. The only conservative churches that give more to charity are the small ones that are partially run down, cause they actually care about the community and give back to it. The ones actually getting all the money are pocketing most of it.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Or do we stop caring about fetuses when they're born

That argument does not line up with your topic title.

Those religious people do not want anyone to kill what they perceive to be an unborn child. That does not have anything to do with universal healthcare. Your best argument is to hammer them on why they do not want to give money to the child after its born, although Im sure some do through charity. By tying this to universal healthcare, youre implying that these pro-lifers are interested in your life, which Im not convinced they would think has much value.

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They're not pro-life, they're anti-abortion.

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All these nasty responses lmfao

The folly of Pro Life people is that they assume you'd be responsible for your own actions which includes having a kid.

They're only pro getting everyone alive. They're fine with letting God sort them out after that single point in time.

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A_QuietPlace462 posted...

All these nasty responses lmfao

The folly of Pro Life people is that they assume you'd be responsible for your own actions which includes having a kid.

I mean it is pretty fucking foolish to think irresponsible people will suddenly be responsible parents if you force them to be mothers, especially for the teen moms. The most responsible thing they can do is for themselves and for the rest of society is to abort.

Children aren't lessons, punishments, or experiments. They shouldn't be forced into existence unless the mother wants them.

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^ I can get behind what you're saying too.

It's just annoying AF to paint people as stupid morons that need government help just to function.

Not mention that money in the hands of the government is barely better than burning it. Go to a church for support if you need it instead.

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Ah, the usual obtuse effort to not see the difference between not wanting something actively killed when it has no way to defend itself, and providing ideal comfort to a creature for its entire life when it has the ability to care for itself or has someone that should reasonably be able to. And yeah, I think they'd like to take kids away from bad parents and take more active measures to make sure people unfit to be parents don't breed, but I'm sure the left bawked at the idea.

I'm sorry, but as I age I really equate people mad at abortion laws the same as people that complain about increased traffic fines. "What am I supposed to do? Practice safe sex?"

Yes. That's what you are supposed to do. God forbid we use our supposedly advanced brains to prevent a problem instead of making excuses to fight for an undo button.

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Are all parents that cant afford thousands of dollars of medical care (or really just regular child care) bad parents? I wish I was that stupid to believe that tbh.
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The irony is that pro-choicers are more pro-life than so-called "pro-lifers"

They actually care that the mother is capable of giving their child a decent chance (hence abortion being an option if they can't), while all pro-lifers care about is the kid being born.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

Ah, the usual obtuse effort to not see the difference between not wanting something actively killed when it has no way to defend itself, and providing ideal comfort to a creature for its entire life when it has the ability to care for itself or has someone that should reasonably be able to. And yeah, I think they'd like to take kids away from bad parents and take more active measures to make sure people unfit to be parents don't breed, but I'm sure the left bawked at the idea.

I'm sorry, but as I age I really equate people mad at abortion laws the same as people that complain about increased traffic fines. "What am I supposed to do? Practice safe sex?"

Yes. That's what you are supposed to do. God forbid we use our supposedly advanced brains to prevent a problem instead of making excuses to fight for an undo button.

Or we can just kill fetuses that aren't wanted. Children. Are not. Punishments. It is not fucking fair to doom them to a shitty life because you forced parenthood on irresponsible idiots. Abortion is simpler than eugenics or finding homes for millions of orphans.

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Pro-fetus is a better description than pro-life

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lightwarrior78 posted...

I'm sorry, but as I age I really equate people mad at abortion laws the same as people that complain about increased traffic fines. "What am I supposed to do? Practice safe sex?"

Yes. That's what you are supposed to do. God forbid we use our supposedly advanced brains to prevent a problem instead of making excuses to fight for an undo button

This is all you need to know about pro-lifers really. This is more about punishment than actually improving society.

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Personally, I celebrate someone having the foresight to know they have no business raising a child. I'm not going to cry because they are putting less of a strain on society and not fucking up a kid's life for 18 years.

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