Current Events > What'd you think of that Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie?

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Good film, but didn't really need to be a Joker movie at all. Probably would have been better as its own thing.

Also, I don't feel like he does actually become the Joker at any point in the movie.

It was ok. I absolutely didn't understand all the love

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Smackems posted...

It was ok. I absolutely didn't understand all the love

I feel like the love was a knee jerk reaction to all the controversy. People just assumed anything this controversial, must be good.

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DJquackquack posted...

I feel like the love was a knee jerk reaction to all the controversy. People just assumed anything this controversial, must be good.

It being controversial in the first place was fucking stupid

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It accomplished what it wanted to, albeit with a slow first 2 acts.

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As a Joker movie, it was terrible. That's not who the character is at all.

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Shablagoo posted...

It accomplished what it wanted to, albeit with a slow first 2 acts.

I think it works in building the tension.

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

As a Joker movie, it was terrible. That's not who the character is at all.

Im pretty sure the movie was self aware of that point. He was putting together that Bruce is Batman by the end, which means the events of the movie may not have even happened.

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DJquackquack posted...

Im pretty sure the movie was self aware of that point. He was putting together that Bruce is Batman by the end, which means the events of the movie may not have even happened.

Wasn't Bruce a kid?

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really boring

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Smackems posted...

Wasn't Bruce a kid?

Yeah, in Jokers memory. The entire film was Joker recalling events to his psychiatrist, but that doesnt mean they necessarily took place.

For instance, Joker wasnt there for Bruces parents getting gunned down, yet he was able to recall it. He was also piecing together how that act could create Batman. Thats why he gave the doctor a knowing smile and said you wouldnt get it

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pegusus123456 posted...

I think it works in building the tension.

There were good parts, and it worked in doing that to some extent. It wasnt agonizingly slow, but it should have been trimmed.

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DJquackquack posted...

Yeah, in Jokers memory. The entire film was Joker recalling events to his psychiatrist, but that doesnt mean they necessarily took place.

For instance, Joker wasnt there for Bruces parents getting gunned down, yet he was able to recall it. He was also piecing together how that act could create Batman. Thats why he gave the doctor a knowing smile and said you wouldnt get it

https://youtu.be/F25Tb3HN0-o

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DJquackquack posted...

Yeah, in Jokers memory. The entire film was Joker recalling events to his psychiatrist, but that doesnt mean they necessarily took place.

For instance, Joker wasnt there for Bruces parents getting gunned down, yet he was able to recall it. He was also piecing together how that act could create Batman. Thats why he gave the doctor a knowing smile and said you wouldnt get it

Uh.. ok

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Smackems posted...

Uh.. ok

Didnt you notice how parts of the movie dont make any sense? Like they just get kinda dreamy and ethereal? Or like how his relationship with Zazie Beats character was all in his head until he snapped out of it for a moment and we could see things as they were?

The entire movie is one giant mind f***. It may or may not have happened. Which is canonical to the comics, in that Joker doesnt really know what his own origin is.

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DJquackquack posted...

Didnt you notice how parts of the movie dont make any sense? Like they just get kinda dreamy and ethereal? Or like how his relationship with Zazie Beats character was all in his head until he snapped out of it for a moment and we could see things as they were?

The entire movie is one giant mind f***. It may or may not have happened. Which is canonical to the comics, in that Joker doesnt really know what his own origin is.

Honestly I only remember the biggest story beats

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Smackems posted...

Honestly I only remember the biggest story beats

Eh, no worries. You didnt miss much.

Personally I didnt think it was that great, I just read some deep dives into it to get all the Batman lore references.

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Didn't do much for me, but Phoenix is a hell of an actor, though

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too dark to rewatch so i could see the stuff i missed.

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it fucking sucked had nothing to do with the joker and wayne didnt even need to be in it
it feels like they put that stuff in it and slapped joker on it to make it fit in with the other superhero crap and it worked because people are stupid

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I loved it.

I feel like this was the moment he became the Joker

https://youtu.be/bTPrJZw-mnc?t=137

The movie felt like Death Wish meets Falling Down to me.

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WholeLife2 posted...

it fucking sucked had nothing to do with the joker and wayne didnt even need to be in it
it feels like they put that stuff in it and slapped joker on it to make it fit in with the other superhero crap and it worked because people are stupid

Again, yall are taking it too literally. Arthur isnt Bruces brother, and Bruce may not even be a child. Joker is just nuts. Theres no telling what was real and what wasnt.

Heck, he may not even be named Arthur.

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I feel like you're going a little too hard on it being a delusion tbh.

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pretty good

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When the movie ended, all I could think was 'meh'.

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pegusus123456 posted...

I feel like you're going a little too hard on it being a delusion tbh.

Joker" ends with the main character, Arthur Fleck, being locked up in a mental institution after executing a man on live TV and inciting violence throughout Gotham. Or has he actually been in there the whole time, telling us and his social worker a story that is a very warped version of the truth?

So, how are we supposed to know what else in the story is real and what's not? On top of all his fantasies, Arthur also stops taking his medication. During one of the scenes with his social worker, we learn that he has seven prescriptions for his condition, and when the city cuts funding, he's forced to go off them. It's after this moment that he starts to gradually transform into the Joker, and it makes it even harder to trust anything he says or does.

The building itself also plays a big role in the ending of the film, and the scenes offer some interesting clues. The building we see in most of the story is dark, dirty, and the walls are an off-white color. This detail is important because there's another version of Arkham that we see a few times in the film as well, one that is clean, bright, and has white walls.

By the end of the movie, even Joker himself doesn't know what's real and what was fake. He tells Murray to call him Joker when he introduces him, because he thinks that's how Murray referred to him when he aired his stand-up clip, but that never happened.

https://www.insider.com/the-ending-of-joker-movie-explained-batman-joaquin-phoenix-2019-10

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Phoenix was good. Direction was good. Script was meh. The film's attempts at social commentary were pathetic. Overall, it's alright. Deserved neither the praise nor the controversy it received.

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Theres tons of clues throughout the entire movie that its all a delusion. None of the movie makes sense at face value. The further off the beam Arthur goes, the more the city itself physically deteriorates (trash building up, people acting strangely), the more the news references super rats running around, and the crazier the scene transitions get (rewatch the scene when he confronts Thomas Wayne, hes literally floating around and stuff).

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I enjoyed it a lot. A good change to the shit we usually get nowadays.

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DJquackquack posted...

Theres tons of clues throughout the entire movie that its all a delusion. None of the movie makes sense at face value. The further off the beam Arthur goes, the more the city itself physically deteriorates (trash building up, people acting strangely), the more the news references super rats running around, and the crazier the scene transitions get (rewatch the scene when he confronts Thomas Wayne, hes literally floating around and stuff).

I love these kinds of theories. Really makes you think.

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the one with the clown guy who lives in a society? it was cool i guess...

didnt care much for the Bruce Wayne stuff. and they didnt need to explain how dude was imagining that whole relationship with his neighbor through those flashbacks. thought it was pretty clear from her reaction when she finds him in her apartment.

Honestly, probably my favorite movie. Top 3, easy.

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I thought it was great but that fanservice scene of Bruce's parents getting killed wasn't needed.

Pretty just ok tbh. But I guess Im a typical casual bugman because Id take the spectacle of something like one of the MCU movies over Joker.

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Certain actors I don't care for. He is one of them. So that's my 2 cents on that. Never seen Gladiator either.

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It was great.

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It was better than Parasite.

I thought it sucked. The whole thing was just super inconsistent to me and it's even got the whole "actually it might not have happened so it's not dumb" thing to it which doesn't help its case

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Masterpiece.

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