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Xavier_On_High posted...

Ah yes, landlords: the maintainers of property.

yes. that's what you sign a lease with them for. rules for living on their property, and rules for what they will do for you/the property over that time period

Free 5g too?

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OdafeOweh posted...

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Fam_Fam posted...

yes. that's what you sign a lease with them for. rules for living on their property, and rules for what they will do for you/the property over that time period

My girlfriend's disabled mother who's living in a rodent-infested apartment that the landlord hasn't done anything about for months would disagree about them "maintaining property".

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

My girlfriend's disabled mother who's living in a rodent-infested apartment that the landlord hasn't done anything about for months would disagree about them "maintaining property".

So all landlords are not created equally?

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Neither do you

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

My girlfriend's disabled mother who's living in a rodent-infested apartment that the landlord hasn't done anything about for months would disagree about them "maintaining property".

did the lease say that they would take care of such an issue? If so, they have grounds to sue. if not, then the landlord isn't responsible for it.

XxAxem_BlackxX posted...

I don't understand the issue Gamefaqs lefties have with landlords. You know that no matter whether you're a renter or an owner you're going to have to pay someone for the right to live there don't you? If you're a home owner then your bank and the government become the new "landlords" as you pay off your mortgage, and then when you're done with that you still have to pay property tax for the rest of your life. At least when you rent an apartment or house the landlord will pay to have any repairs done and may even do the repairs themselves whereas if you're an owner your bank and government landlords won't pay for anything.

It is worrying how many people don't understand the above. It is like the left never grows up and thinks you can just have everything free because that's 'fair'.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

My girlfriend's disabled mother who's living in a rodent-infested apartment that the landlord hasn't done anything about for months would disagree about them "maintaining property".

I got food poisoning from a cheap restaurant once so I have never eaten in another restaurant since.

Can I get free drugs or is that too far

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shockthemonkey posted...

Its baffling how many people dont understand the differences between paying to own and paying rent. Like, even children can understand the difference, but when it comes to landlords and owning property suddenly adults act like renting property is the same as paying a mortgage.

I mean you're kinda paying a mortgage, just not your own.

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Damar posted...

I got food poisoning from a cheap restaurant once so I have never eaten in another restaurant since.

Not sure what this has to do with what I said, but okay.

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The Trent posted...

Can I get free drugs or is that too far

I dont mean medicine, though I do want free ambien too

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No one is saying rent should be free. Thats a lazy and dumb straw man

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Not sure what this has to do with what I said, but okay.

Yeah the restaurant in question was closed down for health code violations after I and presumably several others reported them.
Don't judge all landlords by the failures of one.
If manitenance is in the rental agreement then the landlord has a legal duty to maintain that property to a livable standard. Avenues to complain exist. Use them.

Fam_Fam posted...

did the lease say that they would take care of such an issue? If so, they have grounds to sue. if not, then the landlord isn't responsible for it.

Plenty of people who live in apartments (her included) can't afford to lawyer up.

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I reported you Trent, asking for drugs hook up

Kingbuffet posted...

I reported you Trent, asking for drugs hook up

Back to purg i guess!

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Derwood posted...

No one is saying rent should be free. Thats a lazy and dumb straw man

Are you sure

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Part of Mao Zedong's land reform during the late phase of the Chinese Civil War and the early People's Republic of China was a campaign of mass killings of landlords in order to redistribute land to the peasant class and landless workerswhich resulted in millions of deaths. Those who were killed were targeted on the basis of class rather than ethnicity except for certain provinces where it was an ethnic conflict against minority ethnicities, therefore terming the campaign a "genocide" is incorrect and the neologism "classicide" is more accurate. Class-motivated mass killings continued almost throughout the 30 years of social and economic transformation in Maoist China. Harry Wu claims that 85- 90% of the 15 million members of the landlord class did not survive in China because large numbers of them fled overseas, especially from the south.

Historian Walter Scheidel notes that the violence of the land reform campaign had a significant impact on economic inequality. He gives as an example the village of Zhangzhuangcun, made famous by Hinton's book Fanshen: In Zhangzhuangcun, in the more thoroughly reformed north of the country, most "landlords" and "rich peasants" had lost all their land and often their lives or had fled. All formerly landless workers had received land, which eliminated this category altogether. As a result, "middling peasants," who now accounted for 90 percent of the village population, owned 90.8 percent of the land, as close to perfect equality as one could possibly hope for.

Damar posted...

Yeah the restaurant in question was closed down for health code violations after I and presumably several others reported them.
Don't judge all landlords by the failures of one.
If manitenance is in the rental agreement then the landlord has a legal duty to maintain that property to a livable standard. Avenues to complain exist. Use them.

landlords do not maintain spaces. they either pay the people who do the maintenance, or they have a middle man to do it for them. that is different from doing it themselves

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ImperialScrolls posted...

Part of Mao Zedong's land reform during the late phase of the Chinese Civil War and the early People's Republic of China was a campaign of mass killings of landlords in order to redistribute land to the peasant class and landless workerswhich resulted in millions of deaths. Those who were killed were targeted on the basis of class rather than ethnicity except for certain provinces where it was an ethnic conflict against minority ethnicities, therefore terming the campaign a "genocide" is incorrect and the neologism "classicide" is more accurate. Class-motivated mass killings continued almost throughout the 30 years of social and economic transformation in Maoist China. Harry Wu claims that 85- 90% of the 15 million members of the landlord class did not survive in China because large numbers of them fled overseas, especially from the south.

Historian Walter Scheidel notes that the violence of the land reform campaign had a significant impact on economic inequality. He gives as an example the village of Zhangzhuangcun, made famous by Hinton's book Fanshen: In Zhangzhuangcun, in the more thoroughly reformed north of the country, most "landlords" and "rich peasants" had lost all their land and often their lives or had fled. All formerly landless workers had received land, which eliminated this category altogether. As a result, "middling peasants," who now accounted for 90 percent of the village population, owned 90.8 percent of the land, as close to perfect equality as one could possibly hope for.

Are you saying you approve of all that?

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The Trent posted...

Back to purg i guess!

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Nothing a doctor does adds any value to the economy.

A doctor is simply a person who is able to extract a fee by positioning themselves as a gatekeeper between the masses and the medical care they require to survive.

But if doctors "don't create value" why the f*** does anyone need them?

Some don't have the money. Cool, value demonstrated. Doctors provide a medical service for people without the knowledge to do so.

No if I were to own the land between an aqueduct and the town which derives its water from said aqueduct, and then I were to place a gate to block access to the water and keep it closed unless the town pays me a "water rental fee", I have not created value. I am simply using property relations to extract wealth by restricting access to a necessity that is otherwise already available. The same is true for doctors.

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averagejoel posted...

landlords do not maintain spaces. they either pay the people who do the maintenance, or they have a middle man to do it for them. that is different from doing it themselves

And the owners of most large grocery stores don't produce the goods they sell or stack the shelves, or drive the goods to the stores or sell them directly to the customers.
They just use middle men otherwise known as employees to do it for them.
Are they worthless to because they don't do those things?

Damar posted...

Yeah the restaurant in question was closed down for health code violations after I and presumably several others reported them.
Don't judge all landlords by the failures of one.
If manitenance is in the rental agreement then the landlord has a legal duty to maintain that property to a livable standard. Avenues to complain exist. Use them.

That's not the point.

You're arguing that landlords maintain property. I'm pointing out that plenty don't or, if they do, they do it as cheaply and inefficiently as possible to the detriment of their tenants. And renting an apartment is nothing like choosing which restaurant to eat out at.

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Free restaurant food would be dope

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Damar posted...

And the owners of most large grocery stores don't produce the goods they sell or stack the shelves, or drive the goods to the stores or sell them directly to the customers.
They just use middle men otherwise known as employees to do it for them.
Are they worthless to because they don't do those things?

economically speaking, they're actually less than worthless -- the position exists exclusively to siphon money away from the other people involved.

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YoungMan posted...

A doctor is simply a person who is able to extract a fee by positioning themselves as a gatekeeper between the masses and the medical care they require to survive.

That's....not how doctors work lol.

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YoungMan posted...

Nothing a doctor does adds any value to the economy.

A doctor is simply a person who is able to extract a fee by positioning themselves as a gatekeeper between the masses and the medical care they require to survive.

No if I were to own the land between an aqueduct and the town which derives its water from said aqueduct, and then I were to place a gate to block access to the water and keep it closed unless the town pays me a "water rental fee", I have not created value. I am simply using property relations to extract wealth by restricting access to a necessity that is otherwise already available. The same is true for doctors.

That seems like a bad analogy.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's....not how doctors work lol.

How do they work?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's not the point.

You're arguing that landlords maintain property. I'm pointing out that plenty don't or, if they do, they do it as cheaply and inefficiently as possible to the detriment of their tenants. And renting an apartment is nothing like choosing which restaurant to eat out at.

And plenty do maintain their properties guy.
But by all means use your anecdotal experience to extrapolate the behavior of landlords across the entirety of America.
And there are plenty avenues available to complain about slum landlords not all of them cost money either.
And who you choose to rent from is a choice just like deciding what restaurant to eat at is.
The only way to get reform is drawing attention to landlords who are breaking their own rental agreements.
Or you could just do nothing and bitch about on here and somehow expect the world to fix these problems for you.

averagejoel posted...

economically speaking, they're actually less than worthless -- the position exists exclusively to siphon money away from the other people involved.

And you gave the expected answer.
You're a communist and worthy of zero further interaction.

Damar posted...

And plenty do maintain their properties guy.
But by all means use your anecdotal experience to extrapolate the behavior of landlords across the entirety of America.
And there are plenty avenues available to complain about slum landlords not all of them cost money either.
And who you choose to rent from is a choice just like deciding what restaurant to eat at is.
The only way to get reform is drawing attention to landlords who are breaking their own rental agreements.
Or you could just do nothing and bitch about on here and somehow expect the world to fix these problems for you.

maintaining the property is not inherent to the position of a landlord. my critique is centered on things that are inherent

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If you don't like landlords just buy your own place or sleep on the street

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YoungMan posted...

Nothing a doctor does adds any value to the economy.

A doctor is simply a person who is able to extract a fee by positioning themselves as a gatekeeper between the masses and the medical care they require to survive.

No if I were to own the land between an aqueduct and the town which derives its water from said aqueduct, and then I were to place a gate to block access to the water and keep it closed unless the town pays me a "water rental fee", I have not created value. I am simply using property relations to extract wealth by restricting access to a necessity that is otherwise already available. The same is true for doctors.

Did this sound good in your head?

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dirtydog posted...

That seems like a bad analogy.

Really bad analogy. Im kind of impressed actually, its that bad.

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BilalPowell posted...

If you don't like landlords just buy your own place or sleep on the street

Plenty of people would but property owners keep buying up homes for $$$, pricing them out of the market

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Just keep yelling "that's not fair!" Until you get your way

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The Trent posted...

Sbut up and give me free apartment

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Plenty of people who live in apartments (her included) can't afford to lawyer up.

i understand that. which means that the landlord is not doing their duty of maintaining their property. that is a deficiency of the individual, not the business of managing property

GeraldDarko posted...

How do they work?

Well for starters, most doctors don't "own" anything, they earn their wages through labor. They're also typically not the ones setting prices.

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Some landlords do maintenance work at their properties. Though I'm sure many just pay other people to do it.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Plenty of people would but property owners keep buying up homes for $$$, pricing them out of the market

The only reason they buy homes is because other people want to give them money to live in them. If they just stopped doing that and lived on the streets the landlords would stop buying more homes.

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These topics always make me chuckle because not one single one of you would ever let someone just live for free on property that you owned.

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