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Cotton_Eye_Joe
08/07/21 4:59:15 PM
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Not because people don't want to work.

That happens when you are forced to close for the better part of a year.

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LinkDaLunatic
08/07/21 4:59:55 PM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
That happens when you are forced to come for the better part of a year.
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Lokison
08/07/21 5:00:27 PM
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Lmao

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Umbreon
08/07/21 5:03:25 PM
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Companies: People don't want to work!

Reality: People don't want to work for you.

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Heineken14
08/07/21 5:05:08 PM
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Isn't unemployment down around the same as it was before covid?
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ScazarMeltex
08/07/21 5:05:44 PM
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They can pay them. They choose not to.

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Ivany2008
08/07/21 5:27:58 PM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Not because people don't want to work.

That happens when you are forced to close for the better part of a year.

That's not always the case. The following is going to be a bit long, but I'll break it into small paragraphs to digest.

Guessing you haven't worked retail? I've been on cash when 9 out of our 11 cashiers called in sick because "the weather was nice, or they wanted to hang out with friends", course they would use different words. Meanwhile, we were paying slightly above minimum wage and were very accommodating with hours.

I've had days when I was bringing in carts alone for nearly 13 hours because people no show. The reason places are understaffed is because kids, and I'll continue to refer to them as kids, up until the age of 21/22 have really shitty work ethics that aren't punished if they purposely don't show up for work.

I've had one guy, who I'll admit was a little slow, not show up for 2 months straight, and get a slap on the wrist and keep his job. The guy nearly electrocuted another co-worker when one of our machines malfunctioned and he failed to put on a safety lock on the machine, or inform the co-worker that it wasn't working. Still kept his job. This same guy by the way, sat down to tie his shoes and immediately got yelled at by one of the department managers, because "it made him look lazy". No one in the area, during quarantine when we only had 40 people allowed in the store at a time.

Are management without fault? Absolutely not. I've seen managers argue point blank when their employee was in the right. I've had managers threaten to fire me while I was not only doing the job I was tasked to do, but the work of 2 other employees at the same time. They fuck up schedules all the time, to the point where we had our work schedule and it changed after we got off our shift, changing our shifts for the next day without telling us, and proceeding to scream at us when we didn't show up for work at 8, even though the schedule we had said 9. Christ, when every other store in the area were only allowing in 60 people into their stores, our store allowed 700.

I've had one manager, no word of a lie, scream at me because I brought in a coffee to help me wake up when I agreed to come in at 5 in the morning for Black Friday sales, after getting off work at 11 the previous night.

Hell, I've applied for a supervisor position, got turned down, and immediately a 17 year old girl who joined the company the week prior, got a supervisor position over me, the guy who had 6 years of experience at that point.

Pay is only part of the problem, it isn't the whole problem. Sometimes management and bad work ethic make it impossible to keep staff.

Doesn't help that during the pandemic the government was willing to pay more than the actual companies were willing to offer. I worked through the pandemic, didn't miss a shift. Got paid maybe 12.50 an hour. Promised more than that, but of course my corrupt company found a way to prevent us from getting pandemic pay. Meanwhile the guys who chose to stay at home? they were getting what would equal out to be 15/h for a full 40 hour work week, all while not working. I was supposed to get a giant paycheck before I quit thanks to the government, but because my company chose to submit my hours incorrectly, I didn't get that paycheck.

Never again will I work retail, I'm done with it. I have my college now which is fully paid for and I'll be busting my ass to never have to do that shit again.
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Veggeta_MAX
08/07/21 5:28:37 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Companies: People don't want to work!

Reality: People don't want to work for you.
This

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LinkDaLunatic
08/07/21 5:32:43 PM
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woooah who gonna publish that book for ya Ivany2008?
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David1988
08/07/21 5:36:33 PM
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I kinda curious how wage slaves can afford the luxury to pick and choose whether they want to work for low pay or not, maybe I overestimated how bad things were in America

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Ivany2008
08/07/21 5:37:10 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
woooah who gonna publish that book for ya Ivany2008?

Trust me, that only scratches the surface. There are dozens if not hundreds of retail stories I could list off, sadly most of them I can't actually speak about thanks to a court order.
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BilalPowell
08/07/21 5:37:52 PM
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Sometimes can't, sometimes don't want to, sometimes not enough interest.

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Umbreon
08/07/21 5:37:56 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
we were paying slightly above minimum wage


Ivany2008 posted...
The reason places are understaffed is because kids, and I'll continue to refer to them as kids, up until the age of 21/22 have really shitty work ethics that aren't punished if they purposely don't show up for work.


Ivany2008 posted...
my corrupt company found a way to prevent us from getting pandemic pay.


Why would anyone have a strong work ethic under these conditions again? You get what you pay for, and most retail places don't pay for hard workers.

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Ivany2008
08/07/21 5:43:00 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Why would anyone have a strong work ethic under these conditions again? You get what you pay for, and most retail places don't pay for hard workers.

We were literally giving out hours long before the pandemic struck. I myself worked at least 44/45 hours a week bare minimum, sometimes working up to 55/60 hours a week. And because we are located in Canada that means we have a forced minimum wage. The hours were there, the pay was there, people just had really horrible work ethics that made it more difficult for the rest of us to do our jobs. Say a store normally has 100 people working at a time, we might have had 40 at most. Including managers.
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Simp
08/07/21 5:44:33 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
Hell, I've applied for a supervisor position, got turned down, and immediately a 17 year old girl who joined the company the week prior, got a supervisor position over me, the guy who had 6 years of experience at that point.
ouch

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Payzmaykr
08/07/21 5:45:13 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
They can pay them. They choose not to.
This. They wont even let the people on payroll on the floor. Short staffing is not people refusing to work, its corporate greed at its worst. We need paychecks and we need livable wages now, more than ever.

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Umbreon
08/07/21 5:53:00 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
The hours were there, the pay was there

Is minimum wage a living wage over in Canada?

If it's like America... then the pay wasn't 'there'. No one wants to bust their ass for a tiny check.

And if your company were being funny with money (And if they were fucking with your pandemic pay, they were probably fucking around before then too), that would lower morale even more.

I've had to work on understaffed floors as well, it blows. I get that. I also get why people don't want to work retail, and how cooperate or managers drive people away (among other things).


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sondast
08/07/21 6:03:23 PM
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Last week I went to Five Guys and the kitchen was packed with workers while the Arbys next door was only open for drive through. Funny how the companies paying above minimum wage arent going through a staffing crisis.

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Nemu
08/07/21 6:07:52 PM
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There do exist people who will fuck up no matter how much they're paid, and I sadly think they're not a small percentage of the working population.
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Ivany2008
08/07/21 6:17:12 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Is minimum wage a living wage over in Canada?

If it's like America... then the pay wasn't 'there'. No one wants to bust their ass for a tiny check.

And if your company were being funny with money (And if they were fucking with your pandemic pay, they were probably fucking around before then too), that would lower morale even more.

I've had to work on understaffed floors as well, it blows. I get that. I also get why people don't want to work retail, and how cooperate or managers drive people away (among other things).

it depends on your definition of living. Is it enough to live with roommates? absolutely. Is it enough to live off of when your living by yourself? barely. Is it enough to raise a family with? probably not. But imo it really shouldn't be. Not saying people shouldn't be able to survive but if you are raising a family, you should take it upon yourself to learn and practice a trade in some manner. Doesn't always have to be in college or university, but there are plenty of online resources to help you add to your resume. Many are dirt cheap or even free.
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NoxObscuras
08/07/21 6:21:41 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
We were literally giving out hours long before the pandemic struck. I myself worked at least 44/45 hours a week bare minimum, sometimes working up to 55/60 hours a week. And because we are located in Canada that means we have a forced minimum wage. The hours were there, the pay was there, people just had really horrible work ethics that made it more difficult for the rest of us to do our jobs. Say a store normally has 100 people working at a time, we might have had 40 at most. Including managers.
People want more pay per hour. Not more hours. Who the hell wants to spend 55-60 hours of their week working their ass off on a low wage?

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TommyG663513
08/07/21 6:25:38 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
That's not always the case. The following is going to be a bit long, but I'll break it into small paragraphs to digest.

Guessing you haven't worked retail? I've been on cash when 9 out of our 11 cashiers called in sick because "the weather was nice, or they wanted to hang out with friends", course they would use different words. Meanwhile, we were paying slightly above minimum wage and were very accommodating with hours.

I've had days when I was bringing in carts alone for nearly 13 hours because people no show. The reason places are understaffed is because kids, and I'll continue to refer to them as kids, up until the age of 21/22 have really shitty work ethics that aren't punished if they purposely don't show up for work.

I've had one guy, who I'll admit was a little slow, not show up for 2 months straight, and get a slap on the wrist and keep his job. The guy nearly electrocuted another co-worker when one of our machines malfunctioned and he failed to put on a safety lock on the machine, or inform the co-worker that it wasn't working. Still kept his job. This same guy by the way, sat down to tie his shoes and immediately got yelled at by one of the department managers, because "it made him look lazy". No one in the area, during quarantine when we only had 40 people allowed in the store at a time.

Are management without fault? Absolutely not. I've seen managers argue point blank when their employee was in the right. I've had managers threaten to fire me while I was not only doing the job I was tasked to do, but the work of 2 other employees at the same time. They fuck up schedules all the time, to the point where we had our work schedule and it changed after we got off our shift, changing our shifts for the next day without telling us, and proceeding to scream at us when we didn't show up for work at 8, even though the schedule we had said 9. Christ, when every other store in the area were only allowing in 60 people into their stores, our store allowed 700.

I've had one manager, no word of a lie, scream at me because I brought in a coffee to help me wake up when I agreed to come in at 5 in the morning for Black Friday sales, after getting off work at 11 the previous night.

Hell, I've applied for a supervisor position, got turned down, and immediately a 17 year old girl who joined the company the week prior, got a supervisor position over me, the guy who had 6 years of experience at that point.

Pay is only part of the problem, it isn't the whole problem. Sometimes management and bad work ethic make it impossible to keep staff.

Doesn't help that during the pandemic the government was willing to pay more than the actual companies were willing to offer. I worked through the pandemic, didn't miss a shift. Got paid maybe 12.50 an hour. Promised more than that, but of course my corrupt company found a way to prevent us from getting pandemic pay. Meanwhile the guys who chose to stay at home? they were getting what would equal out to be 15/h for a full 40 hour work week, all while not working. I was supposed to get a giant paycheck before I quit thanks to the government, but because my company chose to submit my hours incorrectly, I didn't get that paycheck.

Never again will I work retail, I'm done with it. I have my college now which is fully paid for and I'll be busting my ass to never have to do that shit again.

Sounds like your work environment was straight up garbage in damn near everyway

Part of the problem though, and you're gonna hate to hear this, is that you sound like you just buried your head and worked instead of figuring out a way to make it work for you.

If everyone else is being a total slack off then start to slack off when you can and call in some days. Often that is just your best play especially at a place that won't even attempt to recognize hard work.

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lilORANG
08/07/21 6:30:54 PM
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Businesses aren't entitled to employees. If they can't attract workers, they need to make the job more appealing.
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Tyranthraxus
08/07/21 6:32:10 PM
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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...
Not because people don't want to work.

That happens when you are forced to close for the better part of a year.

How is McDonald's unable to pay people?

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Ivany2008
08/07/21 6:39:53 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
Sounds like your work environment was straight up garbage in damn near everyway

Part of the problem though, and you're gonna hate to hear this, is that you sound like you just buried your head and worked instead of figuring out a way to make it work for you.

If everyone else is being a total slack off then start to slack off when you can and call in some days. Often that is just your best play especially at a place that won't even attempt to recognize hard work.

I did that... because I'm an adult with bills to pay and a mortgage to pay off. It's easy to say "take time off, slack off". I can't afford to not work. The bank doesn't give a shit about my horrible work conditions, they only care about me making my payments at the end of each month. And finding work, especially during a pandemic was damn near impossible.

By the time all my bills are paid off after me putting in 40/50 hour work weeks I'd be lucky to have a hundred dollars to my name, most of the time I didn't even get to keep as I had to make payments to fix my damn car that was always breaking down, or pay for my medication which I can't live without. I was also paying my way through college for a program I didn't even finish as I didn't enjoy it. Mind you, now I'm in a college program where I'm getting full funding to take it online so I don't have to work, but that took 5 long years to get approved with way too many obstacles put in front of me, as the company kept telling me why I wasn't approved for it.
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Maninstagnate
08/07/21 7:08:15 PM
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I actually think it is the Covid policy really. Having to wear a mask, disinfect everything while trying to avoid being sick and doing your already crappy job is not worth it.
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Iodine
08/07/21 7:09:05 PM
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People don't want to work bad jobs for terrible pay anymore.

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CanuckCowboy
08/07/21 7:10:02 PM
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Can't? Or don't want to?

Only the mom and pop small businesses genuinely can't.

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TommyG663513
08/07/21 7:27:03 PM
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Ivany2008 posted...
I did that... because I'm an adult with bills to pay and a mortgage to pay off. It's easy to say "take time off, slack off". I can't afford to not work. The bank doesn't give a shit about my horrible work conditions, they only care about me making my payments at the end of each month. And finding work, especially during a pandemic was damn near impossible.

By the time all my bills are paid off after me putting in 40/50 hour work weeks I'd be lucky to have a hundred dollars to my name, most of the time I didn't even get to keep as I had to make payments to fix my damn car that was always breaking down, or pay for my medication which I can't live without. I was also paying my way through college for a program I didn't even finish as I didn't enjoy it. Mind you, now I'm in a college program where I'm getting full funding to take it online so I don't have to work, but that took 5 long years to get approved with way too many obstacles put in front of me, as the company kept telling me why I wasn't approved for it.

Well fair enough man. I'm sorry you had to deal with such a difficult situation. Glad you've found a way out of it and are doing much better for yourself.

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Ivany2008
08/07/21 7:44:26 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
Well fair enough man. I'm sorry you had to deal with such a difficult situation. Glad you've found a way out of it and are doing much better for yourself.

It's fine. If anything it helps build character. I'm still not 100 percent, but slowly getting there.
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