Current Events > Do you think masks should be made mandatory again?

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I'm actually ashamed of all management at my job. When it was announced that vaccinated employees didn't have to wear masks, the manager said "I'll be one of them".

He said it like not wearing a mask is a good thing and a sign of the vaccinated. Yet we know the vaccinated can still spread this shit.


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Yes, especially on Halloween

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Not for vaccinated persons. The delta fear mongering is funny.

I await real science

so if vaccinated people can still get it and spread it, do we wear masks until the end of time to protect the very few people who can't get vaccinated?

ROOTFayth posted...

so if vaccinated people can still get it and spread it, do we wear masks until the end of time to protect the very few people who can't get vaccinated?

They can still get it and spread it, just like any other variant. The key is the chances of spreading when vaccinated, which is very unlikely.

Winrawr posted...

Not for vaccinated persons. The delta fear mongering is funny.

I await real science

"Real science" is basically science you only personally agree with. Weird how for someone who supposedly works in health you don't understand that vaccinated people can still catch covid
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Indoors? Definitely.

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They never should have stopped being mandatory
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Our focus needs to be producing vaccine for all the people in the world (USA is a small part of world) who want to get vaccinated.


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One_Day_Remains posted...

"Real science" is basically science you only personally agree with. Weird how for someone who supposedly works in health you don't understand that vaccinated people can still catch covid

No it really is just statistical analysis done by multiple organizations.

Winrawr posted...

They can still get it and spread it, just like any other variant. The key is the chances of spreading when vaccinated, which is very unlikely.

so, when do we get to take the mask off then?

ROOTFayth posted...

so, when do we get to take the mask off then?

When the law tells (which should be based off professional recommendation) you you can and you feel you should. It can't hurt to wear one though as long as you are wearing your mask properly

no. masks should be up to the individual

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ROOTFayth posted...

so, when do we get to take the mask off then?

Why do you keep asking this question as if you think anyone on the planet actually can actually answer it? If you want to know exactly when the pandemic will be over and when masks will no longer be necessary to maintain public health, you're going to have to ask either God, or the virus itself.

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Im honestly not looking for a 0% rate of getting sick and transmitting it but feels like the numbers are good enough for vaccinated people, risks of everything is low enough that you should be able to just live normally

masterpug53 posted...

Why do you keep asking this question as if you think anyone on the planet actually can actually answer it? If you want to know exactly when the pandemic will be over and when masks will no longer be necessary to maintain public health, you're going to have to ask either God, or the virus itself.

I mean obviously there are no clear answers, I just think too many people on this board are way too extreme with their views

Yes. We don't live in a world where you can operate on the honor system.

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Of course not. Not my job to protect the unvaccinated.

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ROOTFayth posted...

Im honestly not looking for a 0% rate of getting sick and transmitting it but feels like the numbers are good enough for vaccinated people, risks of everything is low enough that you should be able to just live normally

The unvaccinated are allowing the virus to fester inside their bodies until a variant develops that the vaccines aren't effective against. They're putting everyone at risk with their idiocy.
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doomcrusader posted...

Of course not. Not my job to protect the unvaccinated.

It will be everyone's problem when they continue to allow the virus to mutate. Also when they overfill hospitals, preventing vaccinated people from receiving non-COVID care.

This is selfish just like the anti-vaxxers. We don't live in a society where you can only worry about yourself. You don't live in a bubble and you'd change your tune if their decisions start hurting you personally.

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We have a vaccine that prevents the serious side effects of covid. Even though people can still catch it and spread it, I think it makes sense to have mask mandates for people who are interacting with groups who are unable to get the vaccine (e.g., kids, immunocompromised). Thus, I think that we should have mask mandates for only certain locations (e.g., schools, hospitals), but I don't think that mask mandates should be everywhere because we have a vaccine.

hockeybub89 posted...

Yes. We don't live in a world where you can operate on the honor system.

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Like even if vaccinated folks could 100% not spread it, then we'd still need to mask up

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Spin4Fun359663 posted...

We have a vaccine that prevents the serious side effects of covid. Even though people can still catch it and spread it, I think it makes sense to have mask mandates for people who are interacting with groups who are unable to get the vaccine (e.g., kids, immunocompromised). Thus, I think that we should have mask mandates for only certain locations (e.g., schools, hospitals), but I don't think that mask mandates should be everywhere because we have a vaccine.

We need to have the masks everywhere since we have no way of knowing if someone is an anti-vaxxer. They need to strictly enforce them and do everything in their power to motivate people to get vaccinated.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

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Like even if vaccinated folks could 100% not spread it, then we'd still need to mask up

It's a damn shame that idiots have to ruin things for us. I liked not having a mask on.

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hockeybub89 posted...

We need to have the masks everywhere since we have no way of knowing if someone is an anti-vaxxer. They need to strictly enforce them and do everything in their power to motivate people to get vaccinated.

what happens when the next discovery is that the virus also can mutate among vaccinated people?

hockeybub89 posted...

We need to have the masks everywhere since we have no way of knowing if someone is an anti-vaxxer. They need to strictly enforce them and do everything in their power to motivate people to get vaccinated.

I strongly disagree. The issue with mask mandates is that no one wants to enforce it and the people who are not going to get vaccinated are not going to wear a mask. I think the more reasonable step would be that companies need to require vaccinations for their employees.

ROOTFayth posted...

what happens when the next discovery is that the virus also can mutate among vaccinated people?

You think this is some kinda gotcha? But to answer your question, the experts figure a way to deal with it, and right wing my rights types will ruin it.

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Spin4Fun359663 posted...

I strongly disagree. The issue with mask mandates is that no one wants to enforce it and the people who are not going to get vaccinated are not going to wear a mask. I think the more reasonable step would be that companies need to require vaccinations for their employees.

Masking up has always been a 'monkey see, monkey do' affair, and mandates directly influence its societal effectiveness, regardless of actual enforcement. The more mandates that are in effect, the more people will follow, and then the people who were on the fence will start masking up as well when they see enough other people doing it; masking then becomes the norm rather than the outlier. This is why it was so disastrous for the CDC to make their no-mask announcement when they did, just when people were getting reliably vaccinated and were already used to wearing masks. We just might have gotten this thing reasonably under control if mask-wearing remained the cultural norm, but nope, that got thrown in the bin within days of the CDC's announcement, and now we're right back in the thick of it.

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mustachedmystic posted...

You think this is some kinda gotcha? But to answer your question, the experts figure a way to deal with it, and right wing my rights types will ruin it.

stop acting so insecure jesus also not satisfied with the answer but Im guessing you dont know much about viruses and diseases in general

fwiw we have quite a high vaccination rate over here, mask mandates are still in effect and Delta is still coming in strong it seems

So you are gonna be all like it will still spread! Im vaccinated, why do I have to? Dont let the perfect be the enemy of good, wear a fucking mask!

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would any of you be okay with wearing masks for the next 20 years if it came to that?

whats your tolerance threshold there, is there a point where you say fuck it well just get vaccinated and roll the dice

Tolerance? My tolerance for wearing a mask in public is the same as it is for wearing pants, infinite.

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ROOTFayth posted...

would any of you be okay with wearing masks for the next 20 years if it came to that?

whats your tolerance threshold there, is there a point where you say fuck it well just get vaccinated and roll the dice

Stop being such a baby

Be mad at the enemy

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mustachedmystic posted...

Tolerance? My tolerance for wearing a mask in public is the same as it is for wearing pants, infinite.

ah, not me

Yall ancestors would be so fucking dissappointed in you! They stormed the beaches at Normandy, and at home put up with rationing of almost everything. And you wont wear a mask?

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mustachedmystic posted...

Yall ancestors would be so fucking dissappointed in you! They stormed the beaches at Normandy, and at home put up with rationing of almost everything. And you wont wear a mask?

not forever no

masterpug53 posted...

Masking up has always been a 'monkey see, monkey do' affair, and mandates directly influence its societal effectiveness, regardless of actual enforcement. The more mandates that are in effect, the more people will follow, and then the people who were on the fence will start masking up as well when they see enough other people doing it; masking then becomes the norm rather than the outlier. This is why it was so disastrous for the CDC to make their no-mask announcement when they did, just when people were getting reliably vaccinated and were already used to wearing masks. We just might have gotten this thing reasonably under control if mask-wearing remained the cultural norm, but nope, that got thrown in the bin within days of the CDC's announcement, and now we're right back in the thick of it.

I don't think we can go back to mask mandates in all locations because it's kinda too late now. People thought that getting the vaccine meant that they wouldn't have to worry about wearing masks anymore. I don't think you can reverse people's mind that they need to start wearing a mask now. It's too late.

mustachedmystic posted...

Yall ancestors would be so fucking dissappointed in you! They stormed the beaches at Normandy, and at home put up with rationing of almost everything.

Funny thing with that analogy is that, in both those cases, the government forced them to do it.

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I just got my 1st Moderna shot about 20min ago and nobody was wearing masks until we had to be sitting next to each other.

I really dont know at this point. Better safe than sorry I guess right.

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masterpug53 posted...

Funny thing with that analogy is that, in both those cases, the government forced them to do it.

It just hit me, if Biden issued an EO forbidding people from dying, at least 10 percent of the population would grab the nearest sharp object, and cut their wrists. Just to show the libs.

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Spin4Fun359663 posted...

I don't think we can go back to mask mandates in all locations because it's kinda too late now. People thought that getting the vaccine meant that they wouldn't have to worry about wearing masks anymore. I don't think you can reverse people's mind that they need to start wearing a mask now. It's too late.

The CDC's no-mask announcement did tremendous damage to mask culture, but it's not irreparable. Once news of the Delta variant and its effects get more widespread, people will start prioritizing their health again. And if mandates are put in place again, people who never stopped taking it seriously + people who are on the fence can point to that and say 'the government / this place of business is on my side,' either consciously or subconsciously. The damage is done, yes, and it'll take months to get back to where we were. But it's not out of the question, and we should definitely do what we can to get back to that point on a societal level.

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masterpug53 posted...

The CDC's no-mask announcement did tremendous damage to mask culture, but it's not irreparable. Once news of the Delta variant and its effects get more widespread, people will start prioritizing their health again. And if mandates are put in place again, people who never stopped taking it seriously + people who are on the fence can point to that and say 'the government / this place of business is on my side,' either consciously or subconsciously. The damage is done, yes, and it'll take months to get back to where we were. But it's not out of the question, and we should definitely do what we can to get back to that point on a societal level.

I'm confused about your second statement. By getting the vaccine you are taking your health seriously! Of course, you may get covid but the side effects are not significant.

We need to be focusing on getting vaccines in those antivaccers and less on people who are vaccinated. I strongly disagree that masks mandates will get people who are not vaccinated to wear masks and/or get vaccinated.

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

I'm confused about your second statement. By getting the vaccine you are taking your health seriously! Of course, you may get covid but the side effects are not significant.

We need to be focusing on getting vaccines in those antivaccers and less on people who are vaccinated. I strongly disagree that masks mandates will get people who are not vaccinated to wear masks and/or get vaccinated.

This isn't a one-or-the-other situation, we need both right now. Part of the problem at the current time is the crowd who believes 'who cares, I'm vaccinated, why do I need a mask?' And you're welcome to strongly disagree about mandates being effective, but it was pretty obvious how effective they were based on how many people wore them in public prior to the CDC's no-mask announcement, and how many people wore them in public afterwards.

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Im in a city that has implemented mask mandates and I have noticed a few more people wearing masks so I guess you are correct that mask mandates work a little bit

Spin4Fun359663 posted...

Im in a city that has implemented mask mandates and I have noticed a few more people wearing masks so I guess you are correct that mask mandates work a little bit

For better or worse, most people are on some level susceptible to peer pressure, and mask-wearing is definitely something influenced by how many other people in the room are doing it. I do genuinely believe that, while it's next to impossible to enforce mandates as far as the individual person is concerned, they do help gradually sway the public consciousness towards being accepting of masking up as the norm.

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