Current Events > Was Simone Biles in da right for abandoning her teammates at da olympics?

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BuckVanHammer 07/28/21 11:00:39 AM #51:	wouldn't say its right or wrong. its her choice to do as she pleases. its just a game. people pissed over this are pretty much bottom of the barrel dirt bags... --- Minimal, yet feature rich. https://imgur.com/bphehs8 <cite>BuckVanHammer posted [p:956540691] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>wouldn't say its right or wrong. its her choice to do as she pleases. its just a game. people pissed over this are pretty much bottom of the barrel dirt bags... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
V-E-G-Y- 07/28/21 11:10:09 AM #52:	She can't be called da best now imo --- https://imgur.com/L6MQGtI https://imgur.com/HAj1Ocp https://imgur.com/Op6gMTg https://imgur.com/hNkY6mv <cite>V-E-G-Y- posted [p:956540951] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>She can't be called da best now imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 07/28/21 11:29:35 AM #53:	abaddon41_80 posted... I would have much less of a problem with what she did if she was not still going to try to compete in the individual events. That makes it seem like she realized she screwed her team's chances with her first event and dropped out in order to feel like she was absolved of blame for the loss, even though we also lost to Russia in qualifiers. I am not questioning her toughness. I am questioning her motive for dropping out. If anything, I believe her toughness proves that she did not really dropout for mental health reasons. I mean if you watched the broadcast they were making comments about her not being her usual self during qualifiers as well. She was already compromised at that point but finals is where it became too much for her. And to other arguments, it's not like she didn't try and just said "fuck this" after walking out of the locker room. She did her vault and completely fucked it up and had to bail out of it in mid-air. It's less like Lebron not playing in the finals and more like a baseball team's ace pitcher going out and getting 5 runs in the first inning. they need to be yanked out of there it's obvious they don't have it that day. --- Without the water you can't have the flame <cite>theAteam posted [p:956541476] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>abaddon41_80 posted... </cite> <quote>I would have much less of a problem with what she did if she was not still going to try to compete in the individual events. That makes it seem like she realized she screwed her team's chances with her first event and dropped out in order to feel like she was absolved of blame for the loss, even though we also lost to Russia in qualifiers. I am not questioning her toughness. I am questioning her motive for dropping out. If anything, I believe her toughness proves that she did not really dropout for mental health reasons.</quote> I mean if you watched the broadcast they were making comments about her not being her usual self during qualifiers as well. She was already compromised at that point but finals is where it became too much for her. And to other arguments, it's not like she didn't try and just said "fuck this" after walking out of the locker room. She did her vault and completely fucked it up and had to bail out of it in mid-air. It's less like Lebron not playing in the finals and more like a baseball team's ace pitcher going out and getting 5 runs in the first inning. they need to be yanked out of there it's obvious they don't have it that day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/28/21 11:33:14 AM #54:	It was the right thing to do. She was a danger to herself and to her team's chances. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:956541567] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>It was the right thing to do. She was a danger to herself and to her team's chances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 07/28/21 11:37:45 AM #55:	Gymnastics is different from football or basketball, if she makes a mistake in a stunt she could totally fuck herself up. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:956541684] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Gymnastics is different from football or basketball, if she makes a mistake in a stunt she could totally fuck herself up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 07/28/21 12:15:34 PM #56:	No one should have a problem with what she did, especially considering she was already making uncharacteristic mistakes before she pulled out. Continuing to compete when you're in a mental state that's causing you to screw things up is just asking to get yourself seriously hurt. --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:956542824] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>No one should have a problem with what she did, especially considering she was already making uncharacteristic mistakes before she pulled out. Continuing to compete when you're in a mental state that's causing you to screw things up is just asking to get yourself seriously hurt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 07/28/21 12:22:03 PM #57:	Byron Heath This realization I had about Simone Biles is gonna make some people mad, but oh well. Yesterday I was excited to show my daughters Kerri Strug's famous one-leg vault. It was a defining Olympic moment that I watched live as a kid, and my girls watched raptly as Strug fell, and then limped back to leap again. But for some reason I wasn't as inspired watching it this time. In fact, I felt a little sick. Maybe being a father and teacher has made me soft, but all I could see was how Kerri Strug looked at her coach, Bela Karolyi, with pleading, terrified eyes, while he shouted back "You can do it!" over and over again. My daughters didn't cheer when Strug landed her second vault. Instead they frowned in concern as she collapsed in agony and frantic tears. "Why did she jump again if she was hurt?" one of my girls asked. I made some inane reply about the heart of a champion or Olympic spirit, but in the back of my mind a thought was festering: She shouldn't have jumped again The more the thought echoed, the stronger my realization became. Coach Karolyi should have gotten his visibly injured athlete medical help immediately! Now that I have two young daughters in gymnastics, I expect their safety to be the coach's number one priority. Instead, Bela Karolyi told Strug to vault again. And he got what he wanted; a gold medal that was more important to him than his athlete's health. I'm sure people will say "Kerri Strug was a competitor--she WANTED to push through the injury." That's probably true. But since the last Olympics we've also learned these athletes were put into positions where they could be systematically abused both emotionally and physically, all while being inundated with "win at all costs" messaging. A teenager under those conditions should have been protected, and told "No medal is worth the risk of permanent injury." In fact, we now know that Strug's vault wasn't even necessary to clinch the gold; the U.S. already had an insurmountable lead. Nevertheless, Bela Karolyi told her to vault again according to his own recounting of their conversation: "I can't feel my leg," Strug told Karolyi. "We got to go one more time," Karolyi said. "Shake it out." "Do I have to do this again?" Strug asked. "Can you, can you?" Karolyi wanted to know. "I don't know yet," said Strug. "I will do it. I will, I will." The injury forced Strug's retirement at 18 years old. Dominique Moceanu, a generational talent, also retired from injuries shortly after. They were top gymnasts literally pushed to the breaking point, and then put out to pasture. Coach Karolyi and Larry Nassar (the serial sexual abuser) continued their long careers, while the athletes were treated as a disposable resource. Today Simone Biles--the greatest gymnast of all time--chose to step back from the competition, citing concerns for mental and physical health. I've already seen comments and posts about how Biles "failed her country", "quit on us", or "can't be the greatest if she can't handle the pressure." Those statements are no different than Coach Karolyi telling an injured teen with wide, frightened eyes: "We got to go one more time. Shake it out." The subtext here is: "Our gold medal is more important than your well-being." Our athletes shouldn't have to destroy themselves to meet our standards. If giving empathetic, authentic support to our Olympians means we'll earn less gold medals, I'm happy to make that trade. Here's the message I hope we can send to Simone Biles: You are an outstanding athlete, a true role model, and a powerful woman. Nothing will change that. Please don't sacrifice your emotional or physical well-being for our entertainment or national pride. We are proud of you for being brave enough to compete, and proud of you for having the wisdom to know when to step back. Your choice makes you an even better example to our daughters than you were before. WE'RE STILL ROOTING FOR YOU! <cite>Derwood posted [p:956543033] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote><quote>Byron Heath This realization I had about Simone Biles is gonna make some people mad, but oh well. Yesterday I was excited to show my daughters Kerri Strug's famous one-leg vault. It was a defining Olympic moment that I watched live as a kid, and my girls watched raptly as Strug fell, and then limped back to leap again. But for some reason I wasn't as inspired watching it this time. In fact, I felt a little sick. Maybe being a father and teacher has made me soft, but all I could see was how Kerri Strug looked at her coach, Bela Karolyi, with pleading, terrified eyes, while he shouted back "You can do it!" over and over again. My daughters didn't cheer when Strug landed her second vault. Instead they frowned in concern as she collapsed in agony and frantic tears. "Why did she jump again if she was hurt?" one of my girls asked. I made some inane reply about the heart of a champion or Olympic spirit, but in the back of my mind a thought was festering: She shouldn't have jumped again The more the thought echoed, the stronger my realization became. Coach Karolyi should have gotten his visibly injured athlete medical help immediately! Now that I have two young daughters in gymnastics, I expect their safety to be the coach's number one priority. Instead, Bela Karolyi told Strug to vault again. And he got what he wanted; a gold medal that was more important to him than his athlete's health. I'm sure people will say "Kerri Strug was a competitor--she WANTED to push through the injury." That's probably true. But since the last Olympics we've also learned these athletes were put into positions where they could be systematically abused both emotionally and physically, all while being inundated with "win at all costs" messaging. A teenager under those conditions should have been protected, and told "No medal is worth the risk of permanent injury." In fact, we now know that Strug's vault wasn't even necessary to clinch the gold; the U.S. already had an insurmountable lead. Nevertheless, Bela Karolyi told her to vault again according to his own recounting of their conversation: "I can't feel my leg," Strug told Karolyi. "We got to go one more time," Karolyi said. "Shake it out." "Do I have to do this again?" Strug asked. "Can you, can you?" Karolyi wanted to know. "I don't know yet," said Strug. "I will do it. I will, I will." The injury forced Strug's retirement at 18 years old. Dominique Moceanu, a generational talent, also retired from injuries shortly after. They were top gymnasts literally pushed to the breaking point, and then put out to pasture. Coach Karolyi and Larry Nassar (the serial sexual abuser) continued their long careers, while the athletes were treated as a disposable resource. Today Simone Biles--the greatest gymnast of all time--chose to step back from the competition, citing concerns for mental and physical health. I've already seen comments and posts about how Biles "failed her country", "quit on us", or "can't be the greatest if she can't handle the pressure." Those statements are no different than Coach Karolyi telling an injured teen with wide, frightened eyes: "We got to go one more time. Shake it out." The subtext here is: "Our gold medal is more important than your well-being." Our athletes shouldn't have to destroy themselves to meet our standards. If giving empathetic, authentic support to our Olympians means we'll earn less gold medals, I'm happy to make that trade. Here's the message I hope we can send to Simone Biles: You are an outstanding athlete, a true role model, and a powerful woman. Nothing will change that. Please don't sacrifice your emotional or physical well-being for our entertainment or national pride. We are proud of you for being brave enough to compete, and proud of you for having the wisdom to know when to step back. Your choice makes you an even better example to our daughters than you were before. WE'RE STILL ROOTING FOR YOU! </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ratchetrockon 07/28/21 12:26:37 PM #58:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... Gymnastics is different from football or basketball, if she makes a mistake in a stunt she could totally fuck herself up. Id agree with this. Im no gymnast but used to be into street acrobatics and been around cheerleaders and a few gymnasts. Seems to be well known that fucking up a trick/flip even once can put a mental block on a person that can be hard to overcome. --- i9 9900k \| RTX 2080ti FE \|Aorus Master Z390 \| 2 TB 850 EVO + 1tb 970 EVO\| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM \| EVGA T2 1000W https://valid.x86.fr/w0rvt0 <cite>Ratchetrockon posted [p:956543162] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite> <quote>Gymnastics is different from football or basketball, if she makes a mistake in a stunt she could totally fuck herself up.</quote>Id agree with this. Im no gymnast but used to be into street acrobatics and been around cheerleaders and a few gymnasts. Seems to be well known that fucking up a trick/flip even once can put a mental block on a person that can be hard to overcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/28/21 12:34:41 PM #59:	@Derwood good post, and something that immediately sprung to mind when this current situation surfaced. I was 13 at the time of the '96 games; I too watched Kerri Strug stick that landing live, and got swept up in the nationalistic spirit of the moment. But I do remember reading a single news article at that time amidst all the praise that basically said 'all I see here are grown men pushing a scared teenage girl to cripple herself.' And even then it really stuck with me and changed my outlook on the whole thing. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:956543396] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>@Derwood good post, and something that immediately sprung to mind when this current situation surfaced. I was 13 at the time of the '96 games; I too watched Kerri Strug stick that landing live, and got swept up in the nationalistic spirit of the moment. But I do remember reading a single news article at that time amidst all the praise that basically said 'all I see here are grown men pushing a scared teenage girl to cripple herself.' And even then it really stuck with me and changed my outlook on the whole thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
abaddon41_80 07/28/21 1:09:18 PM #60:	1NfamousACE_2 posted... she dropped out of the individual competitions, now what? I am not too upset, then. I still think she should have dropped out earlier because, like someone said, she was clearly not herself even in qualifiers. If she had dropped out earlier we might have been able to take the gold. --- I HATE ALEX SMITH <cite>abaddon41_80 posted [p:956544489] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>1NfamousACE_2 posted... </cite> <quote>she dropped out of the individual competitions, now what?</quote> I am not too upset, then. I still think she should have dropped out earlier because, like someone said, she was clearly not herself even in qualifiers. If she had dropped out earlier we might have been able to take the gold. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
One_Day_Remains 07/28/21 1:32:01 PM #61:	I think arguments could be made for it being shitty because of how it affected her team and it being good for her mental health --- Ten sounds sound like bloated constipated arena rock - GhettoFlip <cite>One_Day_Remains posted [p:956545195] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>I think arguments could be made for it being shitty because of how it affected her team and it being good for her mental health</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gna647 07/28/21 1:44:54 PM #62:	Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other? did Ali back out fighting against Liston? did Kobe back out when he had an injury? Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever? these guys play under pressure. They have MAMBA mentality and are goats simone aint no goat --- https://imgur.com/iMaDK https://imgur.com/e9OCH https://imgur.com/RnA9A https://imgur.com/LvJeR <cite>gna647 posted [p:956545596] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other? did Ali back out fighting against Liston? did Kobe back out when he had an injury? Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever? these guys play under pressure. They have MAMBA mentality and are goats simone aint no goat </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 07/28/21 1:59:42 PM #63:	gna647 posted... Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever? Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes? --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:956546036] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>gna647 posted... </cite> <quote>Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever?</quote> Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ratchetrockon 07/28/21 2:00:49 PM #64:	gna647 posted... Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other? 300m purse tho --- i9 9900k \| RTX 2080ti FE \|Aorus Master Z390 \| 2 TB 850 EVO + 1tb 970 EVO\| DDR4 32 gig 3200 RAM \| EVGA T2 1000W https://valid.x86.fr/w0rvt0 <cite>Ratchetrockon posted [p:956546066] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>gna647 posted... </cite> <quote>Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other?</quote>300m purse tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gna647 07/28/21 2:01:12 PM #65:	SK8T3R215 posted... Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes? Well he didnt retire in the middle of a fucking game Lmaooo --- https://imgur.com/iMaDK https://imgur.com/e9OCH https://imgur.com/RnA9A https://imgur.com/LvJeR <cite>gna647 posted [p:956546081] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>SK8T3R215 posted... </cite> <quote>Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes?</quote>Well he didnt retire in the middle of a fucking game Lmaooo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gna647 07/28/21 2:01:24 PM #66:	Ratchetrockon posted... 150m tho PRESSURE --- https://imgur.com/iMaDK https://imgur.com/e9OCH https://imgur.com/RnA9A https://imgur.com/LvJeR <cite>gna647 posted [p:956546085] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Ratchetrockon posted... </cite> <quote>150m tho</quote> PRESSURE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 07/28/21 2:05:19 PM #67:	SK8T3R215 posted... Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes? but he didn't do it during the nba finals when he was expected to show up and compete --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:956546212] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>SK8T3R215 posted... </cite> <quote>Are we going to continue to ignore Jordan retiring in his prime ITT for the spicy takes?</quote> but he didn't do it during the nba finals when he was expected to show up and compete </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 07/28/21 2:11:49 PM #68:	Guerrilla Soldier posted... but he didn't do it during the nba finals when he was expected to show up and compete You're right he instead missed an entire season and the playoffs then most of the next regular season. That's much better. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:956546423] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Guerrilla Soldier posted... </cite> <quote>but he didn't do it during the nba finals when he was expected to show up and compete</quote> You're right he instead missed an entire season and the playoffs then most of the next regular season. That's much better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 07/28/21 2:13:57 PM #69:	SK8T3R215 posted... You're right he instead missed an entire season and the playoffs then most of the next regular season. That's much better. It is a lot better. There is a reason why Scottie Pippen still gets a ton of shit for quitting on his team and refusing to go in the game w/ 1.8 seconds left in the playoffs. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:956546490] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>SK8T3R215 posted... </cite> <quote>You're right he instead missed an entire season and the playoffs then most of the next regular season. That's much better.</quote> It is a lot better. There is a reason why Scottie Pippen still gets a ton of shit for quitting on his team and refusing to go in the game w/ 1.8 seconds left in the playoffs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 07/28/21 2:16:18 PM #70:	Her sport involves her making incredibly precise moves that all have the potential to hurt her if done incorrectly, carelessly, or distracted. If she felt that her mental health would prevent her from performing well then she is 100% in the right for stepping away. Likewise if she felt her mental health would prevent her from performing well, bowing out and letting her teammates fill in is the selfless move in a team sport. --- Gheb is my other account <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:956546562] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Her sport involves her making incredibly precise moves that all have the potential to hurt her if done incorrectly, carelessly, or distracted. If she felt that her mental health would prevent her from performing well then she is 100% in the right for stepping away. Likewise if she felt her mental health would prevent her from performing well, bowing out and letting her teammates fill in is the selfless move in a team sport. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/28/21 2:45:04 PM #71:	gna647 posted... Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other? did Ali back out fighting against Liston? did Kobe back out when he had an injury? Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever? these guys play under pressure. They have MAMBA mentality and are goats simone aint no goat Ali should have quit a long time before he did. Friendly reminder, he got Parkinson's disease and could barely function later in life. Also, remember when Kobe was demanding a trade from the Lakers after Shaq left and he couldn't win for a few years? --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:956547452] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>gna647 posted... </cite> <quote>Did mayweather or pacquiao back out fighting against each other? did Ali back out fighting against Liston? did Kobe back out when he had an injury? Michael Jordan playing with a literal fever? these guys play under pressure. They have MAMBA mentality and are goats simone aint no goat</quote> Ali should have quit a long time before he did. Friendly reminder, he got Parkinson's disease and could barely function later in life. Also, remember when Kobe was demanding a trade from the Lakers after Shaq left and he couldn't win for a few years? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 07/28/21 2:45:36 PM #72:	Yes. She's right for taking care of her mental health. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:956547471] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Yes. She's right for taking care of her mental health. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 07/28/21 2:46:28 PM #73:	Also, I'm just gonna put it out there... all of those athletes are professionals who got paid literally millions of dollars. Simone Biles makes endorsement money for sure, but she is not a professional athlete in the sense that she gets paid to be a gymnast. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:956547503] in Was Simone... [t:79586031]...</cite> <quote>Also, I'm just gonna put it out there... all of those athletes are professionals who got paid literally millions of dollars. Simone Biles makes endorsement money for sure, but she is not a professional athlete in the sense that she gets paid to be a gymnast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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