Current Events > If Biden doesnt raize the minimum wage significantly, hes a failure.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 11:59:02 AM
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This badly needs to happen, with legislation to make sure it keeps adjusting as needed.

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Hairsniffer261
07/16/21 11:59:53 AM
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Biden is not a failure!
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CableZL
07/16/21 11:59:53 AM
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There's really no chance of that happening with the current makeup of the senate.

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meralonne
07/16/21 12:00:03 PM
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Good luck getting that through the Senate...

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hockeybub89
07/16/21 12:00:19 PM
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But they'll raise prices exactly to match! Best we can do is do nothing and tell the increasingly poor people to get better jobs.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:00:38 PM
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CableZL posted...
There's really no chance of that happening with the current makeup of the senate.
Probably:/

Hairsniffer261 posted...
Biden is not a failure!
Biden only barely beat Trump, that's a pretty big failure right there.

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KILBOTz
07/16/21 12:01:24 PM
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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:01:29 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
But they'll raise prices exactly to match! Best we can do is do nothing and tell the increasingly poor people to get better jobs.
And we can tell the poor people how to save money without realizing how expensive and demeaning being poor is :(

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:02:01 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
Do you mean raise or raze?
Raise. Usually if I have a lot of typos ita because my phone is weird.

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kingdrake2
07/16/21 12:02:13 PM
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they raised it to 13$ in my city. prices went up about 30%. still climbing.
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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:03:00 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
they raised it to 13$ in my city. prices went up about 30%. still climbing.
If prices raised that much it's because of people gouging, not rising expenses.

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CableZL
07/16/21 12:03:47 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
Biden only barely beat Trump, that's a pretty big failure right there.

Eh, it wasn't a particularly close election.

Electoral college:
Biden: 306
Trump: 232

Popular vote:
Biden: 81,283,786 (51.3%)
Trump: 74,222,552 (46.8%)

He had close margins in Georgia and Arizona, but those have been red states in recent history.

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GATTJT
07/16/21 12:03:58 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
Biden only barely beat Trump, that's a pretty big failure right there
If by "barely" you mean by over 6 million popular votes and 70 electoral votes, then yeah, I guess.

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TheGoldenEel
07/16/21 12:04:40 PM
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Biden doesnt have that authority

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Hairsniffer261
07/16/21 12:05:23 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
Probably:/

Biden only barely beat Trump, that's a pretty big failure right there.

Thats a lie! Thats a got damn lie!
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meralonne
07/16/21 12:05:36 PM
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GATTJT posted...
If by "barely" you mean by over 6 million popular votes and 70 electoral votes, then yeah, I guess.
I think Trump said something about the 2016 election being a total blowout with the same electoral vote advantage, despite losing the popular vote by millions.

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shiby with it
07/16/21 12:05:48 PM
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Nice, it'll be so sick when the only businesses left that can pay their employees that much are Amazon, Wal-Mart, and all the other corporate overlords.

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hockeybub89
07/16/21 12:06:14 PM
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GATTJT posted...
If by "barely" you mean by over 6 million popular votes and 70 electoral votes, then yeah, I guess.
Too bad that's all going to evaporate by 2024 when Trump or someone else awful wins more handily than Trump did in 2016.

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unnamedsoldier
07/16/21 12:06:59 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
Biden only barely beat Trump, that's a pretty big failure right there.

Biden is just really boring. He doesn't rile people up like Trump does
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Questionmarktarius
07/16/21 12:08:00 PM
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Localized minimum wage is better.
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Quicksilver
07/16/21 12:10:51 PM
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Raising the minimum wage is irrelevant at this point thanks to inflation the price of everything is going up. Even if a person makes a few more bucks an hour the pay raise will get eaten right up by higher food or gas prices. The only sensible solution is to implement a 2k a month automatic payment to all people below a certain economic threshold.

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MachineJaipur
07/16/21 12:12:31 PM
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Biden should raze the minimum wage!

Lower it to nothing!

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:13:10 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Localized minimum wage is better.
To a degree yes, but federal.is important. There is nowhere in the US that the current federal minimum is even approaching livable.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:13:45 PM
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Quicksilver posted...
Raising the minimum wage is irrelevant at this point thanks to inflation the price of everything is going up. Even if a person makes a few more bucks an hour the pay raise will get eaten right up by higher food or gas prices. The only sensible solution is to implement a 2k a month automatic payment to all people below a certain economic threshold.
Inflation is not a big enough issue to negate the benefits of raising minimum wage.

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OldHorrorGuy
07/16/21 12:14:32 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Too bad that's all going to evaporate by 2024 when Trump or someone else awful wins more handily than Trump did in 2016.
Won't be Trump. Russia has basically abandoned him because they have a ton more reliable puppets.

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Solar_Crimson
07/16/21 12:21:35 PM
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CableZL posted...
There's really no chance of that happening with the current makeup of the senate.
This.

Despite having a majority, the Dems are extremely ineffective of actually getting anything done, mainly due to two spanners-in-the-works and the filibuster.

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CableZL
07/16/21 12:21:39 PM
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Quicksilver posted...
Raising the minimum wage is irrelevant at this point thanks to inflation the price of everything is going up. Even if a person makes a few more bucks an hour the pay raise will get eaten right up by higher food or gas prices. The only sensible solution is to implement a 2k a month automatic payment to all people below a certain economic threshold.

Inflation is not a reason not to increase the minimum wage. Inflation is going to happen whether the minimum wage increases or not.

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Jaded_Dragon
07/16/21 12:24:42 PM
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So, he's a failure then.

hockeybub89 posted...
But they'll raise prices exactly to match! Best we can do is do nothing and tell the increasingly poor people to get better jobs.

I mean, you could always tell them to work 80 hours a week instead of 72 also. That would help their situation.

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Bad_Mojo
07/16/21 12:38:24 PM
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Tell me, TC, what happens when that goes up? The price of everything will just go up, right? America is all about making money, more money than anyone else. If these greedy corporations have to spend more money to their workers, then they're going to just jack up the prices and make up for it.

Just look at Amazon - They're workers can't even fucking pee without the risk of getting fired, and they fire people for no reason so they don't have to give them a raise, all so the rich people that run it can remain rich

A livable wage in America is a pipe dream because America is full of greedy jackasses that only care about how much money they have

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hockeybub89
07/16/21 12:40:16 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Tell me, TC, what happens when that goes up? The price of everything will just go up, right? America is all about making money, more money than anyone else. If these greedy corporations have to spend more money to their workers, then they're going to just jack up the prices and make up for it.

Just look at Amazon - They're workers can't even fucking pee without the risk of getting fired, and they fire people for no reason so they don't have to give them a raise, all so the rich people that run it can remain rich

A livable wage in America is a pipe dream because America is full of greedy jackasses that only care about how much money they have
But it's proven time and again that the prices are never jacked up 1:1

Nihilism doesn't help anybody.

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CableZL
07/16/21 12:46:46 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Tell me, TC, what happens when that goes up? The price of everything will just go up, right? America is all about making money, more money than anyone else. If these greedy corporations have to spend more money to their workers, then they're going to just jack up the prices and make up for it.

Just look at Amazon - They're workers can't even fucking pee without the risk of getting fired, and they fire people for no reason so they don't have to give them a raise, all so the rich people that run it can remain rich

A livable wage in America is a pipe dream because America is full of greedy jackasses that only care about how much money they have
Prices have been going up for years without an increase in minimum wage.

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Bad_Mojo
07/16/21 12:48:40 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
But it's proven time and again that the prices are never jacked up 1:1

Nihilism doesn't help anybody.


Bad_Mojo posted...
The price of everything will just go up, right?

Nihilism? Do you not know what a question mark is for? It was a question. It remains true - American companies are run by greedy assholes that's only goal is to make more money. To do that, they have to spend less money.

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Questionmarktarius
07/16/21 12:53:19 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
It remains true - American companies are run by greedy assholes that's only goal is to make more money.
I do believe "american" is completely optional in this sentence.
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Bad_Mojo
07/16/21 12:59:00 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
I do believe "american" is completely optional in this sentence.

But we're talking about America right now, and why this will never work. You can't even get some of these Americans to take a pay cut in order to help others out. It's not just the corps.

There is an idea - Just take away the pay from the higher paid employees and balance it out by giving the extra money to the least paid ones.

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Questionmarktarius
07/16/21 1:00:51 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
You can't even get some of these Americans to take a pay cut in order to help others out. It's not just the corps.
That's just endemic to 'Murrica! itself. Everyone wants all these neat things, but insist someone else pay for it.
Repeat forever, until your condo falls down.
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DirkDiggles
07/16/21 1:01:26 PM
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You do know it is up to the States to raise (not raize) the minimum wage......

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Questionmarktarius
07/16/21 1:03:35 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
You do know it is up to the States to raise (not raize) the minimum wage......
Federal can definitely force the issue, but what's vaguely livable in Moose Pass can barely afford a tent on a sidewalk in San Francisco.
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CableZL
07/16/21 1:12:30 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
You do know it is up to the States to raise (not raize) the minimum wage......

There is a federal minimum wage that all states must abide by. Some states have their state laws so that the minimum wage is higher than the federal minimum and others don't.

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uwnim
07/17/21 4:35:41 PM
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Quicksilver posted...
Raising the minimum wage is irrelevant at this point thanks to inflation the price of everything is going up. Even if a person makes a few more bucks an hour the pay raise will get eaten right up by higher food or gas prices. The only sensible solution is to implement a 2k a month automatic payment to all people below a certain economic threshold.
That is why you should have automatic annual adjustments to minimum wage based on inflation.

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Samurontai
07/17/21 4:45:08 PM
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People who think like TC should just never touch any topic regarding politics, ever again.

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PC-Builder_Pony
07/17/21 4:47:36 PM
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shiby with it posted...
Nice, it'll be so sick when the only businesses left that can pay their employees that much are Amazon, Wal-Mart, and all the other corporate overlords.


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ShyOx
07/17/21 4:48:51 PM
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With Manchin and Sinema acting as roadblocks its not going to happen. Well see whats up after 2024

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Shadowplay
07/17/21 4:51:48 PM
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Do you guys realize that you're falling for a troll topic by SMAL?

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Samurontai
07/17/21 4:54:23 PM
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ShyOx posted...
With Manchin and Sinema acting as roadblocks its not going to happen. Well see whats up after 2024

This pretty much.

Also, I get doing shit for your contigents or whatever, but sorry WV. You gotta take one for the team. It'll be a worthy sacrifice.


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OldHorrorGuy
07/18/21 12:38:56 PM
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Shadowplay posted...
Do you guys realize that you're falling for a troll topic by SMAL?
I'm not SMAL though.....

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daynlokki
07/18/21 12:39:53 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
This badly needs to happen, with legislation to make sure it keeps adjusting as needed.
And how will this happen needing 60 votes? And if you say nuke the filibuster how is that going to happen with only 48 votes?
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OldHorrorGuy
07/18/21 12:40:47 PM
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daynlokki posted...
And how will this happen needing 60 votes? And if you say nuke the filibuster how is that going to happen with only 48 votes?
I wasn't the one elected to fix the country.

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daynlokki
07/18/21 12:41:09 PM
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Samurontai posted...
This pretty much.

Also, I get doing shit for your contigents or whatever, but sorry WV. You gotta take one for the team. It'll be a worthy sacrifice.
Not gonna happen. He has voted against any change to the filibuster every single time and even wrote an editorial about how the loss of the filibuster would crush politics in America.
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daynlokki
07/18/21 12:41:35 PM
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OldHorrorGuy posted...
I wasn't the one elected to fix the country.
Biden has no say in what Congress does
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wesastro911
07/18/21 12:47:32 PM
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Quicksilver posted...
Raising the minimum wage is irrelevant at this point thanks to inflation the price of everything is going up. Even if a person makes a few more bucks an hour the pay raise will get eaten right up by higher food or gas prices. The only sensible solution is to implement a 2k a month automatic payment to all people below a certain economic threshold.

I agree with universal basic income, but where do you draw line with economic threshold? It will cause division for people end up not getting that 2K a month because they happen to be working a job that barely goes over threshold. So just make it universal like universal education and universal healthcare.
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