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LNSS
07/05/21 1:51:26 PM
#101:


Shezarr posted...
So Fenris do you acknowledge that the Uyghur genocide is taking place or do you just feel the need to deflect to the US at every opportunity?


Fenriswolf posted...
A claim not even supported by your own government.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/

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Zikten
07/05/21 1:51:33 PM
#102:


Fenriswolf posted...
And how do you think the US got so big? They stole land from the natives.

Yep. And we shouldn't have done it

Btw, I notice you always skip over any quotes from me or others about the holocaust in China. I was referring to that when I said they are like nazi Germany and you either didn't get or you changed the subject.

America has a lot of blood on its hands but the difference is US citizens don't get locked up for talking about it

It's possible to be wanting America to change and for hoping for change in China too, at the same time. You seem to be ok with crimes against humanity and look for excuses. The only reason you are bringing up America is to say "if America can be evil then so can China"
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Shezarr
07/05/21 1:52:38 PM
#103:


Oh cool another genocide denier to tag

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LNSS
07/05/21 1:53:11 PM
#104:


Shezarr posted...
Oh cool another genocide denier to tag

Are you going to tag the US government?
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Shablagoo
07/05/21 1:54:09 PM
#105:


Zikten posted...
Your lovely government made her live in an orphanage for several years

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Shezarr
07/05/21 1:54:32 PM
#106:


LNSS posted...
Are you going to tag the US government?
The cautious conclusions of State Department lawyers do not constitute a judgment that genocide did not occur in Xinjiang but reflects the difficulties of proving genocide

lmao shut the fuck up and read your own link.

Fucking pathetic.

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Zikten
07/05/21 1:55:04 PM
#107:


LNSS posted...


Are you going to tag the US government?

Mike Pompeo worked for Trump. Democrats believe in the genocide. Republicans don't. You must not be an American and are not familiar with the difference between the 2 parties
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Shezarr
07/05/21 1:55:17 PM
#108:


@LNSS

There is little dispute within the U.S. government that Chinas treatment of the Uighur population has been horrific and criminal: More than 1 million Uighurs have been detained in reeducation camps, and many have reportedly been subjected to forced labor and sterilization. China has committed numerous crimes listed in the convention as acts of genocide, including the prevention of births and infliction of bodily or mental harm on members of a group and the compulsory separation of children from their communities, according to human rights groups.
But there remains questions over whether that conduct meets the extraordinarily high threshold required to prosecute the crime of genocide.

Again, from your own link. Literacy is a hell of a thing.

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Sir Will
07/05/21 1:55:36 PM
#109:


Nobody's falling for it China trolls.

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Shablagoo
07/05/21 1:56:56 PM
#110:


Zikten posted...
Democrats believe in the genocide. Republicans don't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-china-genocide-uighur-muslims/2021/01/19/272a9df4-5a7f-11eb-aaad-93988621dd28_story.html

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teep_
07/05/21 1:57:26 PM
#111:


This topic turned into quite a shitshow
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Zikten
07/05/21 1:57:48 PM
#112:


Shablagoo posted...


?

I'm only telling you this story to make a point. Not because I think you deserve to know

My sister is adopted. She was abandoned in a park by her birth mother at a super young age in a traumatic event

Most likely because of the One Child Policy. Many girls in China for multiple generations were killed or put in orphanages because of that law
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Zikten
07/05/21 1:59:46 PM
#113:


Shablagoo posted...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-china-genocide-uighur-muslims/2021/01/19/272a9df4-5a7f-11eb-aaad-93988621dd28_story.html

Oh gee wow. Why didn't they do that during the 4 years they were in office? This doesn't really mean much. Trump was too scared to do it while he could be expected to do something about it
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hockeybub89
07/05/21 2:00:05 PM
#114:


Fenriswolf posted...
A claim not even supported by your own government.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
But I was told I believed in the genocide because I don't question my government's claims.

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Shablagoo
07/05/21 2:00:10 PM
#115:


If you dont think I deserve to know then I wont read it.

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LNSS
07/05/21 2:00:33 PM
#116:


Zikten posted...
Mike Pompeo worked for Trump. Democrats believe in the genocide. Republicans don't. You must not be an American and are not familiar with the difference between the 2 parties

Of course I'm not, that's why I'm not as heavily propagandized with anti-China rethoric. And yes, your two parties look the same from the outside. Very much like the CPC actually.
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Fenriswolf
07/05/21 2:00:50 PM
#117:


Shezarr posted...
So Fenris do you acknowledge that the Uyghur genocide is taking place or do you just feel the need to deflect to the US at every opportunity?

I acknowledge there are definitely human rights abuses and think that both the Uighur camps and ICE camps/Guantanamo Bay should be shut down. What I'm sick of are certain Americans whitewashing abuse in their camps as "a couple of bad apples" while making fallacious comparisons with China and Nazi Germany. May I remind you that the Chinese justification of their camps are eerily similar to Bush's justifications of the War on Terror, not to mention that China's policy towards Uighurs are influenced by those of the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html

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Shezarr
07/05/21 2:00:58 PM
#118:


Lmao and @LNSS conveniently ignores my responses because he didn't read his own link. Pathetic.

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LNSS
07/05/21 2:02:36 PM
#119:


Shezarr posted...
Lmao and @LNSS conveniently ignores my responses because he didn't read his own link. Pathetic.

I ran out of free articles in FP
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YellowSUV
07/05/21 2:04:27 PM
#120:


Amazing how this dying websight has CCP shills that do it for free.

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Shablagoo
07/05/21 2:05:41 PM
#121:


Fenriswolf posted...
May I remind you that the Chinese justification of their camps are eerily similar to Bush's justifications of the War on Terror, not to mention that China's policy towards Uighurs are influenced by those of the USA.

Hey man I think the US is bad as well.

*proceeds to spend 95% of my time on the internet railing against China*

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Fenriswolf
07/05/21 2:06:55 PM
#122:


Zikten posted...
I'm only telling you this story to make a point. Not because I think you deserve to know

My sister is adopted. She was abandoned in a park by her birth mother at a super young age in a traumatic event

Most likely because of the One Child Policy. Many girls in China for multiple generations were killed or put in orphanages because of that law

While I feel bad for her, may I remind you that discrimination towards women is culturally entrenched over centuries and practiced by uneducated people from the countryside. Around 100 years ago Chinese women were mostly illiterate and had their feet bound.

As for the One Child Policy, it was a drastic attempt to stop overpopulation which could lead to severe famines, as shown by Chinese history and its numerous famines. Just look at India where you can see numerous abandoned kids living in the streets. Now that population growth is stable most couples can have two kids.

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UnholyMudcrab
07/05/21 2:11:32 PM
#123:


Fenriswolf posted...
Now that population growth is stable most couples can have two kids.

If by "stable" you mean nearly negative. The one-child policy was a disaster that set a slow rolling demographic crisis in motion.
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Shezarr
07/05/21 2:13:10 PM
#124:


Fenriswolf posted...
I acknowledge there are definitely human rights abuses and think that both the Uighur camps and ICE camps/Guantanamo Bay should be shut down. What I'm sick of are certain Americans whitewashing abuse in their camps as "a couple of bad apples" while making fallacious comparisons with China and Nazi Germany. May I remind you that the Chinese justification of their camps are eerily similar to Bush's justifications of the War on Terror, not to mention that China's policy towards Uighurs are influenced by those of the USA.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html
Lol this is like the tankie version of "yes Nazis are bad but whatabout communists!!!11"

But at least you acknowledge bad shit is happening there and aren't pulling a Shablagoo and posting propaganda about how grateful they are for the reeducation and making jokes about putting Uyghurs into woodchippers

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Shezarr
07/05/21 2:13:27 PM
#125:


Shablagoo posted...
Hey man I think the US is bad as well.

*proceeds to spend 95% of my time on the internet railing against China*
Yes, that's definitely what I'm known for, shilling for the US. lmao get a grip.

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CADE FOSTER
07/05/21 2:16:31 PM
#126:


YellowSUV posted...
Amazing how this dying websight has CCP shills that do it for free.
how you know they do it for free
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legendary_zell
07/05/21 2:17:47 PM
#127:


It's pretty bad that Fenris, a person who has been operating as a potentially paid China shill on this website for years, acknowledges Chinese human rights abuses more than you, Shablagoo. I really don't get it. Acknowledging what China is doing doesn't mean you have to cape for America either. It's possible to acknowledge the good each does while fully condemning the bad and to let that take you as far as it leads with each.

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brestugo
07/05/21 3:31:54 PM
#128:




Shezarr posted...
So Fenris do you acknowledge that the Uyghur genocide is taking place or do you just feel the need to deflect to the US at every opportunity?

He has been warned /suspended for his opinions on the Uighur genocide.

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brestugo
07/05/21 3:39:10 PM
#129:


Zikten posted...
Mike Pompeo worked for Trump. Democrats believe in the genocide. Republicans don't. You must not be an American and are not familiar with the difference between the 2 parties
Kind of a key point here. China shills don't understand Truman, JFK and Johnson pushed civil rights in part to prevent the Soviets from using whataboutism. Probably only Truman and RFK and Johnson really cared - another discussion.

Wumao treat U.S. Foreign policy as a single party thing. That's what they know. That's what HQ says.

Bush would not have liberated Haiti, Gore would not have invaded Iraq.


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Gwynevere
07/05/21 7:22:43 PM
#130:


LNSS posted...
Are you going to tag the US government?
What the hell do you think you're proving with that statement? The US doesnt even call what it did to the native Americans genocide in schools, and just acknowledged that the Armenian genocide happened this year.

Arguing for or against the existence of a genocide based on the acknowledgment of a corrupt government is dumb as hell.

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The Wheelman1
07/05/21 7:26:58 PM
#131:


Im really interested in seeing if the Chinese and Muslims can coexist.

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Shablagoo
07/05/21 7:37:29 PM
#132:


The Wheelman1 posted...
Im really interested in seeing if the Chinese and Muslims can coexist.

1.5 millennia say yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China

Now, dont get me wrong there are CEmen who say it is not possible. So we have to weigh the scales, given that your average CEman is incredibly wise. Random CEman vs. the historical record. It is a tough choice.

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Big_Nabendu
07/05/21 7:42:08 PM
#133:




LNSS posted...
Umm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

No difference. In fact, China is more democratic because there is more participation in their electoral system.

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

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