Current Events > The only reason why leftists are radical and extreme is because it's effective

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Trumble 07/02/21 2:36:54 PM #51:	You're not wrong that it draws more attention than they'd otherwise get, but keep in mind that not all attention it draws is good. Many people who didn't give a fuck before end up becoming anti-left after seeing the far-left's shit and mistakenly assuming they represent the entire left. --- No soap, Trumble! <cite>Trumble posted [p:955676172] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>You're not wrong that it draws more attention than they'd otherwise get, but keep in mind that not all attention it draws is good. Many people who didn't give a fuck before end up becoming anti-left after seeing the far-left's shit and mistakenly assuming they represent the entire left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/02/21 2:37:46 PM #52:	COVxy posted... If abolishing the police means restructure the police force then it is no different than reform the police, which was the adversarial position because...reasons? It's an instance where it's clear that "getting people to talk" is far less important from having consistent and actionable messaging. Reform the police and abolish/defund the police have never been adversarial positions. Only the differences in the extent to which individuals within the movement want to see change enacted. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:955676199] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>If abolishing the police means restructure the police force then it is no different than reform the police, which was the adversarial position because...reasons? It's an instance where it's clear that "getting people to talk" is far less important from having consistent and actionable messaging.</quote>Reform the police and abolish/defund the police have never been adversarial positions. Only the differences in the extent to which individuals within the movement want to see change enacted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 07/02/21 2:39:40 PM #53:	Progressivism/leftism has been slowly winning over the past century. Workers' rights, civil rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, more consumer protections, etc. Unfortunately conservatives hate the idea of people being happy, so they try to implement oppressive policies and some manage to get through the cracks. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:955676271] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Progressivism/leftism has been slowly winning over the past century. Workers' rights, civil rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ people, more consumer protections, etc. Unfortunately conservatives hate the idea of people being happy, so they try to implement oppressive policies and some manage to get through the cracks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/02/21 2:40:16 PM #54:	Gwynevere posted... Reform the police and abolish/defund the police have never been adversarial positions. Only the differences in the extent to which individuals within the movement want to see change enacted. I think you are rewriting history a little bit in your mind. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:955676297] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Reform the police and abolish/defund the police have never been adversarial positions. Only the differences in the extent to which individuals within the movement want to see change enacted.</quote> I think you are rewriting history a little bit in your mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 07/02/21 2:40:51 PM #55:	i wanna watch the world burn either way... shrugs <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:955676323] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>i wanna watch the world burn either way... shrugs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/02/21 2:42:58 PM #56:	COVxy posted... I think you are rewriting history a little bit in your mind. Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:955676391] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>I think you are rewriting history a little bit in your mind.</quote>Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/02/21 2:44:00 PM #57:	Gwynevere posted... Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:955676431] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me</quote> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/21 2:47:12 PM #58:	Gwynevere posted... Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me COVxy posted... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html one thing progressives and conservatives seem to share is this tendency to go for the big lie because I guess denial is just the better strategy? idk <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:955676534] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>Believe what you want. Makes 0 difference to me</quote> COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html</quote> one thing progressives and conservatives seem to share is this tendency to go for the big lie because I guess denial is just the better strategy? idk </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/02/21 2:52:26 PM #59:	COVxy posted... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html First, the article is behind a paywall Second, not sure what an opinion piece is supposed to prove anyway. The left isn't a monolith, and there's no clearly drawn line between those calling for abolition and reformation. This is clear to people who mostly spend their time in leftist spaces. --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:955676698] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html</quote>First, the article is behind a paywall Second, not sure what an opinion piece is supposed to prove anyway. The left isn't a monolith, and there's no clearly drawn line between those calling for abolition and reformation. This is clear to people who mostly spend their time in leftist spaces. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frizzurd 07/02/21 2:59:42 PM #60:	I would be more enthusiastic for it if it was simply chanting for police reform. <cite>Frizzurd posted [p:955676930] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>I would be more enthusiastic for it if it was simply chanting for police reform. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/21 3:02:47 PM #61:	"This can't be reformed, defund the police" was absolutely the consensus among leftist during the protest. But again I guess denial is better than having to admit you were wrong. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:955677039] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>"This can't be reformed, defund the police" was absolutely the consensus among leftist during the protest. But again I guess denial is better than having to admit you were wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 07/02/21 3:28:12 PM #62:	Broseph_Stalin posted... "This can't be reformed, defund the police" was absolutely the consensus among leftist during the protest. No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists." <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:955677835] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>"This can't be reformed, defund the police" was absolutely the consensus among leftist during the protest.</quote> No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 07/02/21 3:46:42 PM #63:	Gwynevere posted... First, the article is behind a paywall Second, not sure what an opinion piece is supposed to prove anyway. The left isn't a monolith, and there's no clearly drawn line between those calling for abolition and reformation. This is clear to people who mostly spend their time in leftist spaces. You said they were never adversarial, but there was a substantial subgroup of people pitting them against eachother, as evidenced by the highly shared times piece. I explicitly referenced that it wasn't some sort of monolithic decision. One of the biggest issues with pushing fun leftists hashtags into actual policy discussion is the extreme and pervasive mixed messaging that comes with them. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:955678444] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>First, the article is behind a paywall Second, not sure what an opinion piece is supposed to prove anyway. The left isn't a monolith, and there's no clearly drawn line between those calling for abolition and reformation. This is clear to people who mostly spend their time in leftist spaces.</quote> You said they were never adversarial, but there was a substantial subgroup of people pitting them against eachother, as evidenced by the highly shared times piece. I explicitly referenced that it wasn't some sort of monolithic decision. One of the biggest issues with pushing fun leftists hashtags into actual policy discussion is the extreme and pervasive mixed messaging that comes with them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 07/02/21 3:47:30 PM #64:	TheOtherMike posted... No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists." Yes there is. How do I know, you ask? How am I able to be so sure? The Little Leftist Goblin lives under my bed and whispers the lefts collective plans in my ear each night as I try desperately behind a veil of fear-induced sweat to drift off to sleep. People have told me Im imagining things but thats just part of the lefts dastardly plan to improve peoples living conditions. Not in my fucking America. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:955678476] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists."</quote> Yes there is. How do I know, you ask? How am I able to be so sure? The Little Leftist Goblin lives under my bed and whispers the lefts collective plans in my ear each night as I try desperately behind a veil of fear-induced sweat to drift off to sleep. People have told me Im imagining things but thats just part of the lefts dastardly plan to improve peoples living conditions. Not in my fucking America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 07/02/21 3:58:28 PM #65:	TheOtherMike posted... No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists." this is like listening to conservatives claim the capitol attack didn't actually happen lol <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:955678865] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>No it wasn't. There was no singular "consensus among leftists."</quote> this is like listening to conservatives claim the capitol attack didn't actually happen lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 07/02/21 4:07:46 PM #67:	LOOOL judging by this topic I bet everyone would have condemned Rosa Parks on the bus --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:955679144] in The only r... [t:79544802]...</cite> <quote>LOOOL judging by this topic I bet everyone would have condemned Rosa Parks on the bus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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