Current Events > Non-vegans who use the appeal to nature fallacy.

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Its time to sell your car, because lions dont use cars. And youre equivalent to a lion, right? Just admit that you dont value animal life.

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I like meat

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Are lions edible?

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R1masher posted...

Are lions edible?

Anything is edible with a little salt, pepper, and ketchup.

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Extreme diets are bad tho.

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Iodine posted...

Extreme diets are bad tho.

Veganism isnt an extreme diet. There are vegan strongmen, bodybuilders, and other athletes.

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What if I'm a non vegan that uses no arguments and just says idc what you do

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Most non-vegan arguments are pretty poor and superficial but trying to convince people to change their habits through smug affirmations of how wrong they are has literally never worked in the history of anything

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Iodine posted...

Extreme diets are bad tho.

Elaborate.

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If a cow ever got the chance, hed eat you and everyone you care about.

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sondast posted...

If a cow ever got the chance, hed eat you and everyone you care about.

This is true. Vicious shits

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pinky0926 posted...

Most non-vegan arguments are pretty poor and superficial but trying to convince people to change their habits through smug affirmations of how wrong they are has literally never worked in the history of anything

Gary Yourofsky, Vegan Gains, and Vegan Sidekick say otherwise.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Elaborate.

how about you ask nicely instead of demanding someone elaborate

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sondast posted...

If a cow ever got the chance, hed eat you and everyone you care about.

This, but seriously, I have family that have lost fingers to cows.

Pepys Monster posted...

Veganism isnt an extreme diet. There are vegan strongmen, bodybuilders, and other athletes.

And not one of those vegan strongman has ever been close to the likes of Eddie hall or hafthor or magnus ver mangusson.

And there's been like 2 notable vegans in the entire history of mma. Neither one ever won a belt.

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realnifty1 posted...

This, but seriously, I have family that have lost fingers to cows.

Wut?

How?

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Smackems posted...

What if I'm a non vegan that uses no arguments and just says idc what you do

Vegans on the internet can't comprehend the idea of not caring what other people do.

Thankfully most of the ones I've known irl aren't ridiculous like that. A few have been though.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Wut?

How?

Cows are assholes, generally just something from being around one doing something and them just deciding to take a sausage. One was them putting some feed out, so maybe that one was accidental, but the others the cow absolutely did it on purpose.

realnifty1 posted...

Cows are assholes, generally just something from being around one doing something and them just deciding to take a sausage. One was them putting some feed out, so maybe that one was accidental, but the others the cow absolutely did it on purpose.

I've never heard of such a thing. That sucks.

I've literally pushed cows out of my way on some hiking trails where they graze and none of them ever seemed anything but totally docile.

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This seems relevant, somehow:

Pepys Monster posted...

Just admit that you dont value animal life.

ok

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CanuckCowboy posted...

I've never heard of such a thing. That sucks.

I've literally pushed cows out of my way on some hiking trails where they graze and none of them ever seemed anything but totally docile.

Generally they are, but it is still a nearly 1 ton animal if it decides it doesn't like you right now for whatever reason.

I don't value animal life.

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TheLiarParadox posted...

Gary Yourofsky, Vegan Gains, and Vegan Sidekick say otherwise.

What do they say otherwise? Guys like that exist for the "pat yourself to feel better" aspect of society.

And before you send me some anecdotes of reformed non-vegans who went to their channel, show me the statistics of how many people were toying with the idea until they decided that maybe being a vegan turns you into a colossal asshole

realnifty1 posted...

This, but seriously, I have family that have lost fingers to cows.

I mean, that's less to do with the cow's fault and more to do with risks of handling cattle

Otherwise what is the point here, that we should eat cows because they are pricks? lol

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pinky0926 posted...

I mean, that's less to do with the cow's fault and more to do with risks of handling cattle

Otherwise what is the point here, that we should eat cows because they are pricks? lol

Not because they are pricks, but because they are delicious. Them being pricks is just circumstantial.

Cows caused.. partly.. a huge wreck that fucked me up a little

Granted I was doing 110 in heavy fog but still

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Tc is a hypocrite. If he uses a computer or books, he is not a true vegan as they contain GASP animal byproducts.

https://www.deliciousliving.com/special-diets/vegetarian-vegan/10-things-you-thought-were-vegan-arent/

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PoundGarden posted...

Tc is a hypocrite. If he uses a computer or books, he is not a true vegan as they contain GASP animal byproducts.

https://www.deliciousliving.com/special-diets/vegetarian-vegan/10-things-you-thought-were-vegan-arent/

LCDs are made of cholesterol, huh.
That's interesting.

They are made from phytosterols derived from plants like carrots, it's a similar compound to cholesterol.

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I don't care about virtue signaling vegan life.

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PoundGarden posted...

Tc is a hypocrite. If he uses a computer or books, he is not a true vegan as they contain GASP animal byproducts.

https://www.deliciousliving.com/special-diets/vegetarian-vegan/10-things-you-thought-were-vegan-arent/

That's pretty interesting.

I have seen arguments about vegan "purism" in the past. Arguments that foods and products with only trace elements of animal products (99% vegan or whatever) are better than products that are technically vegan, but cause significantly more damage to wild life environments. And of course arguments against that.

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PoundGarden posted...

Tc is a hypocrite. If he uses a computer or books, he is not a true vegan as they contain GASP animal byproducts.

https://www.deliciousliving.com/special-diets/vegetarian-vegan/10-things-you-thought-were-vegan-arent/

Gonna refer to the "Maybe we should improve society somewhat", "ahah, you exist in society, how curious, I am very intelligent" meme here

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pinky0926 posted...

What do they say otherwise? Guys like that exist for the "pat yourself to feel better" aspect of society.

And before you send me some anecdotes of reformed non-vegans who went to their channel, show me the statistics of how many people were toying with the idea until they decided that maybe being a vegan turns you into a colossal asshole

Whether or not it's a net benefit is a different thing but you said "trying to convince people to change their habits through smug affirmations of how wrong they are has literally never worked in the history of anything." You're wrong about that. That's all.

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shiby with it posted...

I don't care about virtue signaling vegan life.

Someone brought out the old alt to shitpost

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Pepys Monster posted...

Just admit that you dont value animal life.

Not as you do, no.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/08/plant-based-proteins-pricing/

Plant-based meat was having a moment before the pandemic, nabbing celebrity investors, record-setting IPOs, Whopper fast-food deals and high-end chefs who transformed pea protein and soy into savory, expectation-defying deliciousness.

Then the pandemic hit, restaurants closed, and many Americans were stuck at home battling anxiety and sourdough starters. Industry experts wondered whether enthusiasm for this new food category would falter and sales flag would plant-based meat turn out to be a fad rather than a movement? It fleetingly looked grim: Last April, plant-based protein shipments to restaurants fell 27 percent, according to market research firm NPD Group.

However, it appears that those worries were ill-founded. Alt-meat has emerged stronger than ever, much of it because of one thing: price.

Supply-chain problems and virus outbreaks in meat-processing plants have led to meat price increases that far outstrip those of groceries overall. Meanwhile, its getting easier and less expensive for companies to create a lot more of these plant-based proteins, bringing down the costs of the soy and pea-protein meats, dairy and eggs much faster than anticipated.

A pound of ground Beyond Meat is down to about $5.70. Beef prices, up 3.3 percent from a year ago, mean ground beef can cost between $4.10 and $6, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Impossible Foods has cut its restaurant prices twice in the past year, and in February, the companycut retail prices by 20 percent, bringing the price of two quarter-pound patties down to $5.49.

We plan to keep lowering prices as we achieve new production records and economies of scale and ultimately undercut the price of ground beef from cows, said Impossible Foods President Dennis Woodside in an email.

Even plant-based egg prices are coming down. Matt Riley, senior vice president of global partnerships at Eat Just, said the company took its mung-bean-based Just Egg from $7.99 to $5.99 in March 2020 and then down to $3.99 in January of this year about the price of many pasture-raised eggs at the farmers market.

These price reductions, against a backdrop of surging grocery prices overall, have pushed the skeptics and the curious over the edge: Theyre trying it. Beyond Meats grocery store revenue was up 108 percent in 2020, with more people reportedly becoming repeat customers. And while Impossible Foods, a private company, doesnt release sales numbers, in 2020 it expanded retail sales from fewer than 150 grocery stores to 17,000 stores, as well as via direct-to-consumer sales.

And the playing field got more crowded.In a year when groceries were just about the only thing consumers were buying, an eye-popping 112 new plant-based meat, egg and dairy brands hit grocery aisles in 2020, reflecting some $3.1 billion worth of new investments in alternative proteins, according to the Good Food Institute, a nonprofit organization that promotes alternatives to traditional meat, dairy and eggs.

Also, even asmany restaurants were reduced to takeout, delivery and limited indoor dining, plant-based proteins on restaurant menus jumped by 118 percent in 2020, according to Datassential, a food market research company.

My favorite post is the Simpsons quote that people are responding seriously to.

We are omnivores.

*grabs can of coffee*

You know how this works, TC.

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Farming veggies requires displacing small animals and killing insects.

This sanctity of life argument holds no weight.

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MutantJohn posted...

Farming veggies requires displacing small animals and killing insects.

This sanctity of life argument holds no weight.

pinky0926 posted...

Gonna refer to the "Maybe we should improve society somewhat", "ahah, you exist in society, how curious, I am very intelligent" meme here

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Nazi vegans fuck off

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Vegans aren't worth arguing with in the first place.

I like meat because it tastes good and there's nothing morally wrong with eating animals

Shezarr posted...

Someone brought out the old alt to shitpost

Nah, this is my main. Outwardly vegan folks are some of the most annoying people on the planet.

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16-BITTER posted...

Lazily reposting a reference to a meme someone else was too lazy to actually post, compelling stuff

Im at work. Here you go.

https://i.imgur.com/Ax6hKIs.jpg

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TheLiarParadox posted...

Whether or not it's a net benefit is a different thing but you said "trying to convince people to change their habits through smug affirmations of how wrong they are has literally never worked in the history of anything." You're wrong about that. That's all.

It literally is the dumbest, most off putting, and least effective possible way to go about it.

Its almost like the desire isn't to effect real positive change but to just act superior. Condemning meat eaters must be more important to you than changing minds or you'd engage more effectively and less condescendingly

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CanuckCowboy posted...

It literally is the dumbest, most off putting, and least effective possible way to go about it.

Its almost like the desire isn't to effect real positive change but to just act superior. Condemning meat eaters must be more important to you than changing minds or you'd engage more effectively and less condescendingly

We both know that you arent going to change. The best we can hope for is for you to be a little more honest.

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