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Looks like Ace's switch died. GGs

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arena died

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Ggs!

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if you guys still want to play I'll make an arena

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I'm tired right now. Maybe l8er or tomorrow.

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me too honestly. got like 4 hours of sleep last night, had to drive for 2 hours. GGs.

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AceAttorneyist posted...

I really wish they didn't include the auto turnaround mechanic this time around. I thought Tekken didn't have that?

same, it doesn't, i think he said he gave him the turnaround to make performing inputs where you hold the stick away easier? makes no sense

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Anyone want to try at some matches?

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I spent all morning figuring out Kazuya. Im ready to mash buttons.

https://twitter.com/chasingdreamstv/status/1409932714422194183?s=21

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Banjo and Marth got buffs and MinMin got nerfs.

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https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/55791

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Blessed min min nerfs. Also that Marth up tilt buff could potentially be huge.


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nintendo was probably watching lostforest's games and thought "shit, we need to nerf min min"

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Anytime they wanna nerf min min Im cool with it

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First Kazuya impressions: fun, basically better little Mac, high damage, terrible recovery, terrible jump and terrible mobility. The damage output and combos are insane, but the gameplan is the same as Mac which is to never engage and attempt to gimp/zone off stage. Definitely fun though

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His air mobility is pretty bad. Ground mobility is surprisingly good though. His fox trot is really similar to Tekken dash.

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Honestly those nerfs for Min-Min are kind of unnecessary. Her recovery is already absurdly easy to gimp and her weakest aspect. Making it even worse is just cruel.
And the up smash nerf is just... random. I didn't think her having an unreliable reflector was why people dislike fighting her.

Banjo buffs are welcome, even if they're small.

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The spirit board was easy as hell. Welp. The Classic Mode was also not that hard.

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LostForest posted...

And the up smash nerf is just... random.

1) her reflector was really good

2) her up smash was a stupidly good out of shield move that could kill pretty well

i think the nerfs are pretty warranted. it's a pretty noticeable nerf but i'm not going to be dumb like dabuz who said she got nerfed into the ground (lmao)

10-hit combo's gotta go, does nearly 50 percent, it's all people do

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hbox has been streaming for 2-3 days straight, and apparently sleeping with the camera in front of him

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anttttt posted...

1) her reflector was really good

It really wasn't. It can only be used on the ground and it's extremely circumstantial. It already had a small window for when reflection activated, and if you whiffed on it, you were wide open for punishment.
Making it slower, that's fair. It was a really helpful option out of shield. but then at the same time, it's one of very few safe options for when you are applying pressure with rushdowns.

I think they should have either stuck to nerfing the up smash, or the recovery. Not both. But I'll say I'm mostly worried about the tether nerf honestly. I need to play her a bit online and see how much it was affected. If I can't keep her in elite smash with those nerfs, I may drop her from my main rotation :\

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LostForest posted...

It really wasn't. It can only be used on the ground and it's extremely circumstantial. It already had a small window for when reflection activated, and if you whiffed on it, you were wide open for punishment.
Making it slower, that's fair. It was a really helpful option out of shield. but then at the same time, it's one of very few safe options for when you are applying pressure with rushdowns.

I think they should have either stuck to nerfing the up smash, or the recovery. Not both. But I'll say I'm mostly worried about the tether nerf honestly. I need to play her a bit online and see how much it was affected. If I can't keep her in elite smash with those nerfs, I may drop her from my main rotation :\

It was a pretty good reflector. It was a frame 7 option she could do on reaction OOS that sent the projectile back with a 1.8x damage multiplier and a 2x speed multiplier iirc. Just from a numbers perspective that thing was pretty nutty.

The recovery nerf on the other hand is weeeeeeird. Thats the last thing Id have changed about her.

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Min Min with those Greninja tier nerfs

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viewmaster_pi posted...

10-hit combo's gotta go, does nearly 50 percent, it's all people do

It can be SDI'd pretty easily. Well, easily offline at least. I can imagine online it might be a little hard or you might buffer an airdodge or something.

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kazuya players are funny
they keep lasering me when i'm too short to get hit

don't know how i feel about him balance-wise. he deals a lot of damage but his range and mobility are awful and his recovery is easy to gimp even with the options he has. he's like mac but not shit

NightMarishPie posted...

It can be SDI'd pretty easily. Well, easily offline at least. I can imagine online it might be a little hard or you might buffer an airdodge or something.

Yeah his jab has a 5x SDI multiplier so you shouldn't be hit with all 10 hits. For comparison electric attacks have a 2x multiplier.

Kazuya plays weird, I've heard Tekken players he is a faithful adaption to how he is in Tekken. Definitely a character you can't really tell how good he is on the get go.

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Hes easily my favorite of the Trad fighters, but thats also probably my Tekken bias coming through

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NightMarishPie posted...

It can be SDI'd pretty easily. Well, easily offline at least. I can imagine online it might be a little hard or you might buffer an airdodge or something.

yeah, i pretty much treat it like pk fire, lol. then they're left suuuuper open. still just a really dumb choice for his jab to be this ridiculous string that people are pinholed into fishing for

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why would people fish for a frame 9 out of shield jab combo that can be di'd

it's a pretty simple thing that probably severely punishes people in low levelled play i guess but he has so many scarier combos that are a lot more consistent

good question, but they're doing it

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actually it's a simple answer- because it's e a s y and rewarding. like woooooaaah, TEN hit combo?? all i have to do is press A!?? no one's gonna go for harder stuff on quickplay, certainly not this early

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HannibalBarca3 posted...

Yeah his jab has a 5x SDI multiplier so you shouldn't be hit with all 10 hits. For comparison electric attacks have a 2x multiplier.

Kazuya plays weird, I've heard Tekken players he is a faithful adaption to how he is in Tekken. Definitely a character you can't really tell how good he is on the get go.

yeah I actually see Tekken players online telling people his tech for smash. pretty crazy honestly haha. just means his adaptation to smash was super faithful with is cool.

viewmaster_pi posted...

yeah, i pretty much treat it like pk fire, lol. then they're left suuuuper open. still just a really dumb choice for his jab to be this ridiculous string that people are pinholed into fishing for

yeah well it's online so i dont expect people to ever make smart decisions haha. i literally just hit buttons with kazuya on elite (and with any character really) and do well. it's why online is so bad

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Anyone want to do some lobbying? Well go hassle Congress.

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It's close to bedtime but I can do for a bit.

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Okay, maybe like 30 minutes

4CPKJ/69

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I'll tag along for a bit. Pre-bedtime Smash

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Just like Mac. Can't get too close.

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Gonna try one with Kazuya but Im pretty much done otherwise.

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At least you can just tilt for a lot of his stuff compared to the others, but he still gets janked by online input problems.

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I'm done. GGs all.

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Last one

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GGs

Kazuya dittos are quite fun because you have so many options to try that it feels like a traditional fighting game almost. Multi hit moves and shield breaks and option select stuff.

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GGs. Such a weird character, you have to make good use of their little crouch and armor since he plays a grounded game and he's playing Tekken while the other characters play smash lmao.

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davyheinz posted...

GGs

Kazuya dittos are quite fun because you have so many options to try that it feels like a traditional fighting game almost. Multi hit moves and shield breaks and option select stuff.

Yeah I've been hearing he plays almost like he does in Tekken. His air stats are pretty bad but he's probably the character with some of the best ground movement options in smash. I want to see how top level players do with this character once they start labbing him out.

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Dangit. Maybe tomorrow lol

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Took me longer to get Richter into Elite than it did Kazuya.

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In terms of translating the game he comes from into Smash I think Kazuya is better than the rest of the traditional FG characters.

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Anyone around?

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