Current Events > Biden Admin Asks to Reinstate Death Penalty Against Boston Bomber

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metallica846 posted...

Im against the death penalty.

Yup

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Gtalady91 posted...

Skip death row and kill him immediately. Found guilty? Bring him out back and shoot him in the head. If a .356 hollow point is too expensive, the guillotine worked pretty well and I imagine the cost to set one up is cheaper than keeping someone alive on death row for decades.

If you want to live in a country absent due process and the ability to appeal your case, I have a few suggestions for you.

Gtalady91 posted...

Skip death row and kill him immediately. Found guilty? Bring him out back and shoot him in the head. If a .356 hollow point is too expensive, the guillotine worked pretty well and I imagine the cost to set one up is cheaper than keeping someone alive on death row for decades.

How many innocent people do you want to kill?

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Gtalady91 posted...

Skip death row and kill him immediately. Found guilty? Bring him out back and shoot him in the head. If a .356 hollow point is too expensive, the guillotine worked pretty well and I imagine the cost to set one up is cheaper than keeping someone alive on death row for decades.

Sounds like you want America to be run like the Taliban runs certain areas of the middle east...is that what you truly want?

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Gtalady91 posted...

Skip death row and kill him immediately. Found guilty? Bring him out back and shoot him in the head. If a .356 hollow point is too expensive, the guillotine worked pretty well and I imagine the cost to set one up is cheaper than keeping someone alive on death row for decades.

You'd change your tune the second you or someone you love is falsely convicted of a capital crime. And don't act like it wouldn't happen, especially in the kind of society you are advocating.

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PoundGarden needs some mental health attention.

He wants prisoners to suffer in heat that leads to health problems, and he's approaching zealotry in his desire to kill a criminal who will never harm another person again.

Or he's having a really off day.

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Why does it cost so much to overdose someone on a drug for lethal injection? >_> Is it all the legal fees and litigation bullshit they gotta go through to make execution happen that racks up the costs?

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NeonOctopus posted...

Why does it cost so much to overdose someone on a drug for lethal injection? >_> Is it all the legal fees and litigation bullshit they gotta go through to make execution happen that racks up the costs?

yes, they're saying "the cost of execution" includes all the legal proceedings and appeals process as well

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But also the drugs themselves have become harder and more expensive to acquire because manufacturers increasingly don't want to be associated with killing people.

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The Trent posted...

yes, they're saying "the cost of execution" includes all the legal proceedings and appeals process as well

Because it literally does.

The Trent posted...

yes, they're saying "the cost of execution" includes all the legal proceedings and appeals process as well

If they were deadset on making it cheaper, then that's probably just a simple law change or something lol. I can't imagine a drug intended for a humane and lethal overdose costing more than a couple thousand per dose at most >_>

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NeonOctopus posted...

Why does it cost so much to overdose someone on a drug for lethal injection? >_> Is it all the legal fees and litigation bullshit they gotta go through to make execution happen that racks up the costs?

...Yes? Is this a serious question or do you think they don't allow for appeals and numerous checks (that even then can be faulty) when they're going to kill someone. Even when the guilt is 100% they still get the chances to appeal, and lawyers are very expensive and will be done at the tax payers expense in this case.


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Mr President, sir, and all other members of the government, I humbly request that you make an example of this man without actually killing him or harming him in any capacity. The meaning of which I can imagine a million ways. Then again, I also like to imagine that the world is a better place than it actually is sometimes. I added my vote and support you all in office. Guide us!

Whatever they decide to do with him is nothing compared to what he did to those people. Thats the bottom line.

When Trump wanted to reinstate the federal death penalty people were saying it was a fascist move, but I guess it's okay now

I thought Biden was anti death penalty?

Background_Guy posted...

When Trump wanted to reinstate the federal death penalty people were saying it was a fascist move, but I guess it's okay now

It's still a fascist move. The guy they want to use it on is still lower than garbage, but the death penalty remains a barbaric monstrosity. America is one of the few "modern" countries to still have it and the fact they all too often cry about freedom and ability to resist the government, but are then okay with letting them decide to kill its citizens is beyond baffling.

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PoundGarden posted...

Nooooo! Oh God NOOOO!

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the terrorists?!

Fucking clown factory CE

The irony of painting your opponents as overly emotional while simultaneously calling for the killing of someone who's already captured and contained purely out of spite isn't lost on me.

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

The irony of painting your opponents as overly emotional while simultaneously calling for the killing of someone who's already captured and contained purely out of spite isn't lost on me.

You call it spite, I call it balance.
There is literally zero point in keeping him alive and comfortable for the next 50-60 years. If you can tell me what the point is and what is gained by keeping him alive, I may be swayed.

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Either everyone gets appeals or no one gets appeals. We don't need to crack a few eggs just so some fallible humans can have the power of life and death to kill the extra bad humans. No one is worthy of that power.

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metallica846 posted...

Hes in our most secured prison ever. He will sit in his little box for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life and only be able to interact with the guards who move him around.

Never mind we should kill him because it sounds like hes living in a Caesars penthouse. Ugh all that time he will have staring at the wall....

You're just stating the facts of his incarceration. I asked what the point of keeping him alive and comfortable is. Nobody can seem to answer that.

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metallica846 posted...

Hes in our most secured prison ever. He will sit in his little box for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life and only be able to interact with the guards who move him around.

Never mind we should kill him because it sounds like hes living in a Caesars penthouse. Ugh all that time he will have staring at the wall....

That dude thinks America has the highest recidivism rates in the world because our prisons are way too nice.

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PoundGarden posted...

If you can tell me what the point is and what is gained by keeping him alive, I may be swayed.

It's not about him. He doesn't have his own set of rules; the justice system is (supposed to be) the same for everyone.
The death penalty is wrong here for the same reasons it's always wrong: high costs due to appeals, wrongful executions, etc.

And before you say "But we know he did it!" that doesn't matter, you're not even supposed to -convict- unless a jury KNOWS they did it, yet wrongful executions still happen.

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It's not about him. He doesn't have his own set of rules; the justice system is (supposed to be) the same for everyone.
The death penalty is wrong here for the same reasons it's always wrong: high costs due to appeals, wrongful executions, etc.

And before you say "But we know he did it!" that doesn't matter, you're not even supposed to -convict- unless a jury KNOWS they did it, yet wrongful executions still happen.

Exactly, humans are fallible and mistakes happen.

But weirdos with a bloodlust will scream about how you're supporting terrorists and murders if you would rather they rot to death in a small box than kill them at the cost of innocent lives.

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lmao PG in this topic and the "No a/c in US prisons" one.
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metallica846 posted...

I just described his life to you and you think that 23 hours a day locked in a small sound proof box sounds comfortable. Listen if you have the bloodlust thats fine but dont patronize people. Own your shit.

Again, you're simply stating the facts and reality of incarceration.

Again, I ask, what is the point of keeping him alive and comfortable? Comfort meaning he never has to worry about food, medical care, or shelter.

If you can't answer that's fine, I mean there literally is no point so I wasn't really expecting an answer.

Own your shit

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TheOtherMike posted...

If you want to live in a country absent due process and the ability to appeal your case, I have a few suggestions for you.

TheVipaGTS posted...

Sounds like you want America to be run like the Taliban runs certain areas of the middle east...is that what you truly want?

mustachedmystic posted...

You'd change your tune the second you or someone you love is falsely convicted of a capital crime. And don't act like it wouldn't happen, especially in the kind of society you are advocating.

nope, just want our justice system to do better. Sorry but its ridiculous to keep people alive for decades when theyre convicted of a crime. Think of how long we kept Gacey and Manson alive. If your given the death penalty, get it out of the way. And if they got it wrong, all involved should be held accountable. The fact we can say its cheaper to keep them alive is insane. You get sentenced to death? Last meal and whatever youre choice IMO

metallica846 posted...

Im against the death penalty.

me to, plus i no point in it now

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Gtalady91 posted...

nope, just want our justice system to do better. Sorry but its ridiculous to keep people alive for decades when theyre convicted of a crime. Think of how long we kept Gacey and Manson alive. If your given the death penalty, get it out of the way. And if they got it wrong, all involved should be held accountable. The fact we can say its cheaper to keep them alive is insane. You get sentenced to death? Last meal and whatever youre choice IMO

So by do better you want to be as barbaric as North Korea, or places in the middle east....that's "better" to you. Got it.

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It's not about him. He doesn't have his own set of rules; the justice system is (supposed to be) the same for everyone.
The death penalty is wrong here for the same reasons it's always wrong: high costs due to appeals, wrongful executions, etc.

And before you say "But we know he did it!" that doesn't matter, you're not even supposed to -convict- unless a jury KNOWS they did it, yet wrongful executions still happen.

False, you convict if you feel they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not on certainty. And your point about wrongful convictions is moot, there is zero doubt he did it. In that case, fuck em, put em down there is literally no point in caging them for decades.

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PoundGarden posted...

You're just stating the facts of his incarceration. I asked what the point of keeping him alive and comfortable is. Nobody can seem to answer that.

so he can think about what he did the rest of his life with no freedom

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PoundGarden posted...

Again, you're simply stating the facts and reality of incarceration.

Again, I ask, what is the point of keeping him alive and comfortable? Comfort meaning he never has to worry about food, medical care, or shelter.

If you can't answer that's fine, I mean there literally is no point so I wasn't really expecting an answer.

Own your shit

Because we can't have exceptions to the process, and we sometimes execute the wrong people.

Cheaper to warehouse prisoners and just let the lifelong ones die there.

In how many topics are you going to bitch about how "comfortable" jail is? Just admit you want every prisoner to fuck off and die even if they aren't a bomber.

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PoundGarden posted...

You call it spite, I call it balance.

Ah. The old "pretend I'm a logical robot" defense.

PoundGarden posted...

Again, I ask, what is the point of keeping him alive and comfortable?

It's not about him. It's about us. It's about what gives us the right to decide a human who is no harm to anyone is to be put to death.

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metallica846 posted...

I dont know if you read the topic or just came in and started sperging but I already answered why Im against the death penalty.

Fascinating.

Now what is the point of keeping someone who is 100% guilty? To make you feel better? Or to satisfy a sick desire to see someone suffer for decades?

TheVipaGTS posted...

So by do better you want to be as barbaric as North Korea, or places in the middle east....that's "better" to you. Got it.

Don't hurt yourself taking such massive, powerful leaps


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PoundGarden posted...

False, you convict if you feel they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not on certainty. And your point about wrongful convictions is moot, there is zero doubt he did it. In that case, fuck em, put em down there is literally no point in caging them for decades.

Are you under the impression that there was clear doubt in the cases where people are wrongfully given death row or life in prison? Those cases were all sure things too.

Obviously, the right people are convicted of most murders, but how do you define the super extra surely guilty conviction to make sure humans didn't fuck up the conviction? It's so much cheaper and easier to completely take death penalty off the table.

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American prisons are notorious for being hella comfy
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skermac posted...

so he can think about what he did the rest of his life with no freedom

And what is the point of that? How does that help society, his victims, or even himself? Best case scenario he finds God and repents (how wonderful for him). Cool, he's still never getting out and we have a net gain of fuck all.

So I ask again, what is the point?

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PoundGarden posted...

Fascinating.

Now what is the point of keeping someone who is 100% guilty? To make you feel better? Or to satisfy a sick desire to see someone suffer for decades?

Don't hurt yourself taking such massive, powerful leaps

what leaps? he literally said...

Found guilty? Bring him out back and shoot him in the head. If a .356 hollow point is too expensive, the guillotine worked pretty well and I imagine the cost to set one up is cheaper than keeping someone alive on death row for decades.

Sounds pretty barbaric and much like what North Korea does to me.

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PoundGarden posted...

And what is the point of that? How does that help society, his victims, or even himself? Best case scenario he finds God and repents (how wonderful for him). Cool, he's still never getting out and we have a net gain of fuck all.

So I ask again, what is the point?

I agree; we should get rid of life sentences too. Putting people in cages for decades doesn't help society.

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Antifar posted...

I agree; we should get rid of life sentences too. Putting people in cages for decades doesn't help society.

Hell yeah!

Xethuminra posted...

Perhaps those sentenced to life should be allowed death, and then its in gods hands. Leave a little syringe in an electronically locked box next to an intercom for him, in case he changes his mind. You certainly cant release someone who has done something so terrible. Give him a few years without the option so he settles into his new situation.

It's too dangerous to give someone their own means of suicide at the risk of them using it on someone else.

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as someone has already stated, the sheer amount of people "found guilty and sentenced to death" who were later exonerated and proven innocent is too high to even consider a "kill instantly" process. Until the jusice system fixes itself to prevent that (it never will), "kill them instantly" should never be a thing. and before you say "BUT WHAT ABOUT FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS!?"...we can't have two different justice systems. Everyone has to follow the same one and as i've already said, I don't trust those in charge to draw the line for where the "new" justice system should start.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Because we can't have exceptions to the process, and we sometimes execute the wrong people.

Cheaper to warehouse prisoners and just let the lifelong ones die there.

In how many topics are you going to bitch about how "comfortable" jail is? Just admit you want every prisoner to fuck off and die even if they aren't a bomber.

It's amazing to me that you continue to reject the fact that most lifers adjust very well to the comforts of prison life, and career criminals have zero fear of prison. Gee, I wonder why that is

And we absolutely can make qualifiers for the death penalty. When there is 100% certainty they did it, fuck em. There is zero point in keeping them alive other than to satisfy your need to torture someone for decades. Oh the irony LMFAO. You're just as bad as me, you know. Worse even, id prefer to just end someone quick rather than torture them for decades.


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PoundGarden posted...

And what is the point of that? How does that help society, his victims, or even himself? Best case scenario he finds God and repents (how wonderful for him). Cool, he's still never getting out and we have a net gain of fuck all.

So I ask again, what is the point?

We put them prison, removing their freedom and ability to hurt anyone, punishing all and rehabilitating any that will be released. That right there helps society. What else do you need? Stop trying to pretend your purely emotional desire is some sort of utilitarian truth that benefits all. It doesn't help the wrongfully convicted. You want to make exceptions to the law.

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Antifar posted...

PoundGarden posted...

And what is the point of that? How does that help society, his victims, or even himself? Best case scenario he finds God and repents (how wonderful for him). Cool, he's still never getting out and we have a net gain of fuck all.

So I ask again, what is the point?

I agree; we should get rid of life sentences too. Putting people in cages for decades doesn't help society.

My man
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PoundGarden posted...

It's amazing to me that you continue to reject the fact that most lifers adjust very well to the comforts of prison life, and career criminals have zero fear of prison. Gee, I wonder why that is

Yes, people who are forced into a certain life will often accept their faith and adjust. That doesn't mean they're happy. They still lack freedom. They still can't do the things they used to do. They still can't have a real relationship, see their family, buy a new game, go to a game, dine out at a restaurant....so many things are taken away from them. your argument that "They adapt to prison therefore they are super happy and we should kill them" is so incredibly stupid and you know it lol.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

what leaps? he literally said...

Sounds pretty barbaric and much like what North Korea does to me.

You may want to educate yourself on North Korea. Why execute someone when you can get several years of grueling labor out of them? NK prefers to charge and convict people on the most bullshit or made up charges to keep their labor camp prisons full.

Pretty offensive you'd compare the two. Pretty ignorant too.

TheVipaGTS posted...

as someone has already stated, the sheer amount of people "found guilty and sentenced to death" who were later exonerated and proven innocent is too high to even consider a "kill instantly" process. Until the jusice system fixes itself to prevent that (it never will), "kill them instantly" should never be a thing. and before you say "BUT WHAT ABOUT FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS!?"...we can't have two different justice systems. Everyone has to follow the same one and as i've already said, I don't trust those in charge to draw the line for where the "new" justice system should start.

Selective reading at it's finest

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