Current Events > Snowden might get extradited to the US

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Choco posted...

rebel is confusing me

I think we're witnessing the origins of another Broseph Stalin

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In an October 2013 interview, Snowden maintained that he did not bring any classified material into Russia "because it wouldn't serve the public interest." He added, "There's a zero percent chance the Russians or Chinese have received any documents."[15] In June 2015, however, The Sunday Times reported that British government officials anonymously claimed to the paper that Russia and China had cracked an encrypted cache of files taken by Snowden, forcing the withdrawal of British spies from live operations.[16] The BBC also stated that their sources told them British intelligence assets had been moved as a precaution after the Snowden leaks.[

Yeah I'm sure Russia is just enjoying giving him asylum and a place to stay because they like the guy.

Gwynevere posted...

I think we're witnessing the origins of another Broseph Stalin

Lmao fuck off. I've said Snowden's actions post-leaving America were treasonous for years.

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i see

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Gwynevere posted...

I think we're witnessing the origins of another Broseph Stalin

they're basically the same person except rebel is angrier

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I really doubt the US will do it as it probably means sending people over who hacked Russia (or got accused of doing so) on behalf of the US government.

That's the kind of exchange Putin would probably demand for Snowden back. He's not getting sent back without Putin getting a big "win" over the US in exchange.

ultimate reaver posted...

they're basically the same person except rebel is angrier

And except for the fact that I constantly shit on Broseph and I'm not a centrist or conservative? But okay bro.

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Hate for Snowden has always been odd.

Like, guess we shouldn't protect whistleblowers all the sudden.

Meanwhile Trump walks as a free man with a loaded diaper.

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WingsOfGood posted...

Hate for Snowden has always been odd.

Like, guess we shouldn't protect whistleblowers all the sudden.

snowden is not a whistleblower

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Snowden is a patriot

Delirious_Beard posted...

snowden is not a whistleblower

The means people use to rationalize hate against him is something else.

He is likely a terrible human being and currently due to his circumstances may have given Russia US secrets...

But neither of those negates that indeed he was infact a whistle blower and fyi the Obama admin chose to run him off to Russia for that reason alone.

metallica846 posted...

To be faaaaaiiirrrr, he didnt pick Russia. Got stuck there when the US took his passport on the way to South America.

Weird how people keep forgetting this.

No, never mind, not weird at all.

Let's be clear, Snowden is a whistleblower.

Do you think whistleblowers should not be protected?

WingsOfGood posted...

fyi the Obama admin chose to run him off to Russia

Uhh, he chose to flee instead of staying here and fighting for his convictions

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Shezarr posted...

Uhh, he chose to flee instead of staying here and fighting for his convictions

He wasn't being protected as a whistleblower as he should have been.

It's hilarious a person who was unfairly banned is calling for Snowden to be Guantanamoed.
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Damn so the Russians have been using him as a pawn this whole time

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Robot2600 posted...

on a reciprocal basis

lol

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WingsOfGood posted...

Let's be clear, Snowden is a whistleblower.

First, Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy interests-they instead pertain to military, defense, and intelligence programs of great interest to America's adversaries. A review of the materials Snowden compromised makes clear that he handed over secrets that protect American troops overseas and secrets that provide vital defenses against terrorists and nation-states. Some of Snowden's disclosures exacerbated and accelerated existing trends that diminished the IC's capabilities to collect against legitimate foreign intelligence targets, while others resulted in the loss of intelligence streams that had saved American lives.

Snowden insists he has not shared the full cache of 1.5 million classified documents with anyone; however, in June 2016, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's defense and security committee publicly conceded that "Snowden did share intelligence" with his government. Additionally, although Snowden's professed objective may have been to inform the general public, the information he released is also available to Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and North Korean government intelligence services; any terrorist with Internet access; and many others who wish to do harm to the United States.

Second, Snowden was not a whistleblower. Under the law, publicly revealing classified information does not qualify someone as a whistleblower. However, disclosing classified information that shows fraud, waste, abuse, or other illegal activity to the appropriate law enforcement or oversight personnel-including to Congress--does make someone a whistleblower and affords them with critical protections. Contrary to his public claims that he notified numerous NSA officials about what he believed to be illegal intelligence collection, the Committee found no evidence that Snowden took any official effort to express concerns about U.S. intelligence activities-legal, moral, or otherwise-to any oversight officials within the U.S. Government, despite numerous avenues for him to do so. Snowden was aware of these avenues.

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2016_rpt/hpsci-snowden.pdf

Shezarr posted...

Uhh, he chose to flee instead of staying here and fighting for his convictions

Ah yes, nothing like fighting for your convictions in a CIA black site

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Gwynevere posted...

Ah yes, nothing like fighting for your convictions in a CIA black site

Come on! I'm sure the American government painting him as a treasonous terrorist would have treated him fairly and kindly and no torture would have happened :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Funkydog posted...

Come on! I'm sure the American government painting him as a treasonous terrorist would have treated him fairly and kindly and no torture would have happened :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

It's not like we subject other American citizens to torture like solitary confinement.
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Gwynevere posted...

Ah yes, nothing like fighting for your convictions in a CIA black site

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Second, Snowden was not a whistleblower. Under the law, publicly revealing classified information does not qualify someone as a whistleblower. However, disclosing classified information that shows fraud, waste, abuse, or other illegal activity to the appropriate law enforcement or oversight personnel-including to Congress--does make someone a whistleblower and affords them with critical protections. Contrary to his public claims that he notified numerous NSA officials about what he believed to be illegal intelligence collection, the Committee found no evidence that Snowden took any official effort to express concerns about U.S. intelligence activities-legal, moral, or otherwise-to any oversight officials within the U.S. Government, despite numerous avenues for him to do so. Snowden was aware of these avenues.

Webmaster4531 posted...

It's not like we subject other American citizens to torture like solitary confinement.

Exactly! He'd have been fine and under no harm at all. He clearly just something something something. America!

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Funkydog posted...

Exactly! He'd have been fine and under no harm at all. He clearly just something something something. America!

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Second, Snowden was not a whistleblower. Under the law, publicly revealing classified information does not qualify someone as a whistleblower. However, disclosing classified information that shows fraud, waste, abuse, or other illegal activity to the appropriate law enforcement or oversight personnel-including to Congress--does make someone a whistleblower and affords them with critical protections. Contrary to his public claims that he notified numerous NSA officials about what he believed to be illegal intelligence collection, the Committee found no evidence that Snowden took any official effort to express concerns about U.S. intelligence activities-legal, moral, or otherwise-to any oversight officials within the U.S. Government, despite numerous avenues for him to do so. Snowden was aware of these avenues.

From a pragmatic stance, he can't be much more useful to Russia so that's why they'd agree to this...

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

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Yeah yeah, police shootings and government overreach are always justified. They investigate themselves and if you have a problem with an injustice just tell the people doing the injustice.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

They investigate themselves

...that's not a report from the IC lmao.

Why is everyone on this board illiterate?

Russia will extradite Snowden if they think they can get something out of it. It could be something like someone who has escaped Russia and is extradited, or they may just extradite Snowden if they think it will sow chaos in America.

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PC-Builder_Pony posted...

From a pragmatic stance, he can't be much more useful to Russia so that's why they'd agree to this...

From a pragmatic stance Trump gave Putin everything he wanted and only had to bargain now.

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Guys I wonder how Vindman is holding up being tortured at a CIA blacksi- oh wait never mind he's getting a PhD at John Hopkins because that's not how we treat whistleblowers and this board is just full of insane people.

YellowSUV posted...

Russia will extradite Snowden if they think they can get something out of it. It could be something like someone who has escaped Russia and is extradited, or they may just extradite Snowden if they think it will sow chaos in America.

That's likely why they took him in to begin with. Their whole plan is to destabilise the west and cause infighting, which his presence helps with. Sending him back can help with it more and possibly get someone they want as well.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Guys I wonder how Vindman is holding up being tortured at a CIA blacksi- oh wait never mind he's getting a PhD at John Hopkins because that's not how we treat whistleblowers and this board is just full of insane people.

Judge in the Manning case:



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Shezarr posted...

Uhh, he chose to flee instead of staying here and fighting for his convictions

starting to sound like my parents when they shit on refugees in 2015

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

...that's not a report from the IC lmao.

Why is everyone on this board illiterate?

How does that change anything?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

How does that change anything?

I don't think you understand what "investigating themselves" means.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

I don't think you understand what "investigating themselves" means.

It's a CIA front is what I'm getting at.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

It's a CIA front is what I'm getting at.

Ah yes the entire house intelligence committee is actually controlled by the CIA who told them to publish a report admitting that the CIA hired an inexperienced, unqualified pathological liar and narcissist who was somehow able to get his hands on and leak 1.5 million classified documents from his relatively low level position with the agency. Detective earthquake has cracked another case!

Tyranthraxus posted...

Judge in the Manning case:

Manning was put on trial, had her sentence commuted and makes money by speaking at far-right political events or whatever.

OMG we're just like Russia!!!!

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Ah yes the entire house intelligence committee

Oh, I thought IC meant intelligence committee. I googled fas.org and it's a think tank with a stupid name Federation of American Scientists.

A House Intelligence Committee is investigating themselves. It's all likely they knew about the 4th amendment breeches.
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metallica846 posted...

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130829/01280024346/no-snowden-didnt-have-any-other-avenues-to-blow-whistle.shtml

But then I noticed a problem. Before bringing an urgent concern to Congress, the guidance states that all potential intelligence community whistle-blowers must first notify the DNI of their intent to contact the congressional intelligence committees directly. In other words, if Snowden wanted to inform the Senate intelligence committee that the DNI had lied, he would first have to inform the DNI that he intended to inform on him. That seems like it could be a problem.

But, lets say it wasnt. Lets say the director of national intelligence did the honorable thing and allowed Snowden to go to the Senate intelligence committee with evidence that he lied. Would Snowden have had any reason to believe going to Congress would make the least bit of difference?

Probably not, since the House and Senate intelligence committees were already aware of the NSAs activities. And, having worked for Wyden, a committee member who spent years trying to raise concerns about domestic surveillance, I can tell you, individual members of Congress were virtually hamstrung from doing anything about the administrations activities. Especially since the executive branchs classification rules forbid the senator from sharing his concerns with anyone outside of the intelligence committee, including staff.

@Broseph_Stalin what do you get out of bootlicking those against Snowden?

I am once again asking you to read the report.

metallica846 posted...

The report from the same people who were hiding the criminal actions they were whistle-blown on? That report you say???

guess he doesn't get conflict of interest concept

metallica846 posted...

The report from the same people who were hiding the criminal actions they were whistle-blown on?

There were no criminal actions. The stuff he leaked had nothing to do with privacy. He lied multiple times.

Read the fucking report or don't, I don't care.

Broseph embarrassing himself again. Must be a fetish.

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So I'm the guy who said Japanese people like living in Japan, where are the pictures you have about Metallica and Wings of Good?
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