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https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/amp36329671/is-the-universe-conscious/

In upcoming research, scientists will attempt to show the universe has consciousness. Yes, really. No matter the outcome, well soon learn more about what it means to be consciousand which objects around us might have a mind of their own.

This is where a philosophical stance called panpsychism comes into play, writes All About Spaces David Crookes:
This claims consciousness is inherent in even the tiniest pieces of matter an idea that suggests the fundamental building blocks of reality have conscious experience. Crucially, it implies consciousness could be found throughout the universe.

Its also where physics enters the picture. Some scientists have posited that the thing we think of as consciousness is made of micro-scale quantum physics events and other spooky actions at a distance, somehow fluttering inside our brains and generating conscious thoughts.

Wait....this sounds familiar.

We must stop this guy from making Nerv

Typical popularmechanics clickbait

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Shezarr posted...

Typical popularmechanics clickbait

Oh?

Is that so?

Popular Mechanics?

I got a notification on my phone about this article. I remember scoffing at the headline.

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Well okay

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well, we are collections of atoms that are aware that we are collections of atoms. so...it's not impossible to scale that up, i guess. but i just don't see it.

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AloneIBreak posted...

I got a notification on my phone about this article. I remember scoffing at the headline.

Was it wrong?

Bullshit

That would mean the booger I blew earlier was pissed

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Smackems posted...

Bullshit

That would mean the booger I blew earlier was pissed

Or sad. Because it loved you and wanted your warm embrace.

Could be happy to finally be free of you also. >_>

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I dont see how it isnt. Sure we only have evidence of one planet (Earth) with conscious beings in an unimaginably vast universe but why else would matter form complex conscious brains if there were literally no trace of consciousness within those atoms.

Yes you can say it was just lucky chance over billions of years but individual atoms dont care about time.

(This doesnt mean a specific religion is right about the nature of the universe, obviously.)

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uwnim posted...

Could be happy to finally be free of you also. >_>

Maybe it wanted to be sneezed into a hot girl's nose.

Shablagoo posted...

I dont see how it isnt. Sure we only have evidence of one planet (Earth) with conscious beings in an unimaginably vast universe but why else would matter form complex conscious brains if there were literally no trace of consciousness within those atoms.

Yes you can say it was just lucky chance over billions of years but individual atoms dont care about time.

(This doesnt mean a specific religion is right about the nature of the universe, obviously.)

Some religions believe all objects have a soul, I think Tao? Idk tbh.

WingsOfGood posted...

Was it wrong?

I dont know. It seems very unlikely that someone would just suddenly prove out of nowhere with no fanfare except a Popular Mechanics article that the universe is conscious, so I didnt read it. If we were on the verge of that, I think itd be much bigger news.

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AloneIBreak posted...

I dont know. It seems very unlikely that someone would just suddenly prove out of nowhere with no fanfare except a Popular Mechanics article that the universe is conscious, so I didnt read it. If we were on the verge of that, I think itd be much bigger news.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe/

WingsOfGood posted...

Maybe it wanted to be sneezed into a hot girl's nose.

I'd sneeze a booger up a hot girls ass

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There is 0 content in that article.

Rocks do not have a neural net powered by electricity, so they are not conscious. Are your toenails conscious? No. Only brains are conscious, and maybe some advanced AIs.

Maybe even giant fungi, plants, and sponges.

God damn that was a dumb fucking article.

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i consider it obvious that God is real and that this universe is a simulation or in other words is some kind of created reality

i think the point is to learn and grow and love yourself and love your neighbor and love God w/ all your heart and soul and mind and that's basically it. have fun and be cool, etc.

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Robot2600 posted...

There is 0 content in that article.

Rocks do not have a neural net powered by electricity, so they are not conscious. Are your toenails conscious? No. Only brains are conscious, and maybe some advanced AIs.

Maybe even giant fungi, plants, and sponges.

God damn that was a dumb fucking article.

Glad you enjoyed it.

also, a conscious universe doesn't necessarily have any control over its parts, any more than you can control one of the bacteria in your gut. so, claims of divinity fall even further down the road of possibilities.

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WingsOfGood posted...

Some religions believe all objects have a soul, I think Tao? Idk tbh.

The ancient Assyrians believed in animism

But this looks more like pantheism

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Medussa posted...

also, a conscious universe doesn't necessarily have any control over it's parts, any more than you can control one of the bacteria in your gut. so, claims of divinity fall even further down the road of possibilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

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pure_temper posted...

i consider it obvious that God is real and that this universe is a simulation or in other words is some kind of created reality

i think the point is to learn and grow and love yourself and love your neighbor and love God w/ all your heart and soul and mind and that's basically it. have fun and be cool, etc.

You forgot to mention trolling gamefaqs. A very important part of this reality.

WingsOfGood posted...

Some religions believe all objects have a soul, I think Tao? Idk tbh.

Tao is just "the way things are." It doesn't have dogma.

Some Buddhist believe everything has a soul.

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Medussa posted...

also, a conscious universe doesn't necessarily have any control over it's parts, any more than you can control one of the bacteria in your gut. so, claims of divinity fall even further down the road of possibilities.

Yet the cell can be something like bacteria or your brain.

Then we look and see Nebula bigger than the planet.

WingsOfGood posted...

In upcoming research, scientists will attempt to show the universe has consciousness. Yes, really

Definitely not really lmao.

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I almost take offense that the idea of a creative force is often personified by the Christian god. Or the Muslim god for that matter. It gives credence to religious factions on a subject that is beyond our comprehension.

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WingsOfGood posted...

This claims consciousness is inherent in even the tiniest pieces of matter an idea that suggests the fundamental building blocks of reality have conscious experience.

Vegans are fucked.

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Ever heard of the boltzmann brain? It's an interesting concept. Could explain how consciousness forms.

Crescente posted...

Ever heard of the boltzmann brain? It's an interesting concept. Could explain how consciousness forms.

beat ya ;)

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s0nicfan posted...

Vegans are fucked.

lmao yeah technically true if they want to be logically consistent, but i like vegans tbh. they're gentle people at the end of the day and just appreciative of wanting to minimize suffering. good people in general tbh.

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It could just prove the Cognitive Realm

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WingsOfGood posted...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe/

I dont think this person is very convincing. They didnt bring forth any evidence of electrons, to take an example of theirs, being conscious. They sort of assume that an electron has an experience, but thats it.

You cant look inside an electron to see whether or not it is conscious. But nor can you look inside someones head and see their feelings and experiences.

This seems like a false equivalence. I dont need to see someones feelings and experiences to know theyre conscious.

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We don't even know how our own conscience works. Somehow all of our atoms get together and make a conscience I guess?

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You don't have to convert to Christianity over this, but I think ecosystems are more or less proof that something is up.

I mean animals and vegetation evolve simultaneously for the benefit of one another without instinctive awareness of their position in the grand scheme of things. Predators don't think, "I'm here to prevent overpopulation." They think, "I'm hungry." The same is true of scavenger birds and bugs which remove what's left of carcasses. Why would a cactus store liquid within it for the benefit of humans to carve into?

s0nicfan posted...

Vegans are fucked.

Lmao

Summary of this article: By redefining our perspective on the connotation of the word concious we can alter this definition to conclude that the universe is conscious.
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pure_temper posted...

beat ya ;)

Nice. This is all just an illusion.

FortuneCookie posted...

You don't have to convert to Christianity over this, but I think ecosystems are more or less proof that something is up.

I mean animals and vegetation evolve simultaneously for the benefit of one another without instinctive awareness of their position in the grand scheme of things. Predators don't think, "I'm here to prevent overpopulation." They think, "I'm hungry." The same is true of scavenger birds and bugs which remove what's left of carcasses. Why would a cactus store liquid within it for the benefit of humans to carve into?

hmmm. well, over time the animals that are more effective at satisfying "i am hungry" end up eating more and thereby procreating more.

so their genetics pass onwards, and that is how they become more specialized. because they are more effective due to how they operate in whatever environment they're in. some animals have better gills or flight or toxicity. homo sapiens has self awareness or whatever it is that makes us human. i guess the ability to think at the highest levels of abstraction in this dimension, since we can manipulate it so effectively nowadays.

i think the probability of this universe existing at all is effectively 0 and that to me is proof of there being a mind behind it. a disembodied mind. i do think william lane craig was 100% right. :) and the Islamic scholars before him who argued the kalaam cosmological argument.

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I think a better question is, how did the ancestors of camels just start munching on cactus? OUCH

Crescente posted...

Nice. This is all just an illusion.

It is a love story, or a redemption arc, or a healing arc, or a strength arc, or all of the above and etc :)

have fun ;)

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Maybe it's the star wars Force

Wii_Shaker posted...

I almost take offense that the idea of a creative force is often personified by the Christian god. Or the Muslim god for that matter. It gives credence to religious factions on a subject that is beyond our comprehension.

It's preposterous to think any existing religion has any insight into the mind of any existing god.

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Zikten posted...

Maybe it's the star wars Force

the force is conscious