Current Events > There's an argument that garbagemen (and women) are just as important as doctors

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The argument is that if no one wanted to be garbagemen (and women) our streets would be full of trash and rodents places to grow disease, humanity would get so sick and then no one would want to be doctors they would be so overwhelmed

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Cleaners are more important to society than doctors.

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Well yes, garbage workers are no less important than doctors. They are one of many things that keep our societies functioning

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Okay. But more people are capable of being a garbage collector than a doctor

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https://youtu.be/Wu2HhlTEHMc

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Okay. But more people are capable of being a garbage collector than a doctor

Capable, sure.

But willing?

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In my country I was number one gynecologist, in America I am just lowly garbage man

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They probably are slightly more important than doctors. Doesnt mean they should be paid anywhere near a doctor because its easier to become a garbage person. They are appreciated though.

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DarkProto05 posted...

They probably are slightly more important than doctors. Doesnt mean they should be paid anywhere near a doctor because its easier to become a garbage person. They are appreciated though.

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

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MorbidFaithless posted...

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

Why go through almost a decade of medical school, become a doctor, work grueling hours, pay tens of thousands of dollars for education when you can just start picking up trash at 18 for the same amount of money?

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PoundGarden posted...

Why go through almost a decade of medical school, become a doctor, work grueling hours, pay tens of thousands of dollars for education when you can just start picking up trash at 18 for the same amount of money?

Because you want to heal people?

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MorbidFaithless posted...

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

Because we live in a society

A capitalist society

MorbidFaithless posted...

Because you want to heal people?

because you dont want to pick up garbage

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MorbidFaithless posted...

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

It's not just ability. It's difficulty and risk of the task. There's less pay for a job where an oops means picking up some litter and one where an oops means someone dies on the operating table, or due to a misdiagnosis.

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MorbidFaithless posted...

Because you want to heal people?

Pardon my cynicism, but this is the funniest way humanity would die out.

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If I could make 200k picking up trash I'd quit my current job yesterday

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Hey, I'm a kleaner too. Not a garbage man, but I'm told office kleaning is pretty essential in the pandemical era. Life-saving, even. Get me in on this doctor salary.

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MorbidFaithless posted...

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

It is to me and many others. Not so much the right leaning folks.

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SSJPurple posted...

It is to me and many others. Not so much the right leaning folks.

It's pretty funny in that regard actually. You constantly get righties talking about respecting blue collar workers but when it comes to paying them more "Nah fuck those guys. Anyone can do their job"

MorbidFaithless posted...

This is what I do not understand. Why must worth be tied to ability? Isn't it enough that a person is a person doing a valuable and necessary task?

No.

The immense time studying, training, and paying to get through medical schooling needs to be accounted for. Many applicants drop out because the cost and stress of schooling can be brutal, more so for certain medical fields. It's typically a long haul before being accredited and licensed. It's not just the potential income that makes particular medical careers impressive...it's also the notable degree of difficulty in achieving them in the first place (meritocracy). Part of the favorable status of succeeding through medical schooling is the work put in. The average slouch is generally not going to make the cut...

That slouch can, however, manage to succeed at being a decent sanitations worker with nowhere near the average amount of cost and study required to become a licensed doctor. Garbage clean up is also an important service within a city, but it's laughable to ever imply that becoming a sanitations worker is an almost equitable achievement to succeeding in medical school. HUGE disparity between the two.

There's also the factor of supply-and-demand. There's more applicants fit for succeeding at becoming a sanitations worker. The bar is comparatively low at affordable cost. There's significantly less people fit for getting through medical schooling and moving into vital medical careers. The bar is comparatively high at substantially more cost. It's easier to find, train, and license applicants suitable for sanitation work than it is for an assortment of high end medical fields. The point is it's commonly accepted that the latter deserves the higher pay and status not just because of being a vital service, but also because the supply of fit applicants who can make it through the challenge of schooling is noticeably much lower.

Besides above, another part of the reason a sanitations worker does not (and should not) earn as much as a licensed doctor is simple economics. If both career fields made approximately the same, you would see a huge drop in applicants bothering to enter the harder route of medical fields. Sanitations would be the significantly easier route for similar payout, eventually leading to a scarcity of doctors. That's bad...

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Axiom posted...

It's pretty funny in that regard actually. You constantly get righties talking about respecting blue collar workers but when it comes to paying them more "Nah fuck those guys. Anyone can do their job"

I dont see anyone in this topic saying that they shouldnt be paid more, just that its silly to compare the profession and salary to what it takes to be a dr.

what is the incentive to go through a decade+ of schooling if you can get the same pay at 18 picking up trash?

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WashYourHands posted...

I dont see anyone in this topic saying that they shouldnt be paid more, just that its silly to compare the profession and salary to what it takes to be a dr.

what is the incentive to go through a decade+ of schooling if you can get the same pay at 18 picking up trash?

The coat is stylish. If it came in black, I might be a doctor today.

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